That's out of taste, sorry it's just i used to volunteer at a senior's hme where many of he "inmates" were mentally ill :S
Also where was your critisism when we were making deep runs in the CL?, serie A, superclub...
you can't insult a coach for what he is, you have to criticize his performances!

If your girlfriend of 8 years has a weird haircut, do you call her her retarded and leave her?


+1

you do it your way i'll do it mine (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Do you get why I even refer to him as a mental handicap? Its because of his performances. I could care less what he looks like etc.


He did achieve alot but its not something unheard of like many treat it here. Manchester has done it, liverpool has done it. Madrid has done it 9 times. Yet we are the only club to take one victory and escalate it to preposterous levels.


We were the best around van basten's era. We were near the top in the prime of carlo's era but never the best. We are now pitiful and a joke.


supercup/worldclub cup= mickey mouse cup. If we dont win it, that is just sad.

Serie A= won it once. With the squad we had we should have won it more.

Champions league= 2x is impressive for a single manager in 8 years, but it does not redeem his failures in the coppa italia and the league. Furthermore, we lost 1 final when we shouldn't have. Blame it on carlo or luck or player or liverpool getting lucky, whatever. Fact is still fact.


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Benitez has made liverpool a contender in the champions league every season, yet he is still called a failure and a one ambition man with a one ambition club. Yet the great carlo is a super genius and all might because of what? getting 2x cl and 1 serie a? Damn right i expect him to do that and more, or why is he coaching us.
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Carlo for me has been a failure when compared to the great others that have held milan. The only reason i believe he is still our coach today after istanbul is because he he has no balls when talking to our management and gladly accepts any bs they throw at him. Ideally he is the greatest coach for galliani, which is why he wants to keep him around another season and keep feeding him then non stop bs transfers.

This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Mar 16 2009, 08:24 PM

Read my previous posts and you'll see I have constantly criticized carlo for ridiculous formations, substitutions, lack of motivation and not learning from previous mistakes. He was good for us in the beginning and revolutionised our play, but since we've been found out he hasn't been able to change tactics accordingly. As far as I'm concerned he's a decent manager, nothing more.

Great post and I agree with most of it, although even I will agree that the mental handicap thing is maybe going a tad too far. I would say he's too stubborn and set in his ways and that is where a lot of his problems arise from.

+1 i guess decent would be a better word then mental handicap. To me he is exactly as you said, great when took over and slowly slumped to average. He has been average for 4 years now.

no i agree, love him or hate him i don't care, i'm simply saying the mentally retarded comment was taking it to far...
that's it that's all (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

You're contradicting yourself big time here. You praise Benitez for making Liverpool a regular Champions League contender, then you lambaste Ancelotti for doing the exact same thing.

Carlo has two CLs and one league title. That's one more of each than Benitez, who continues to stick around Anfield only because of the fluke six minutes in the '05 CL final. Meanwhile, for all the griping about our Scudetto drought, Liverpool haven't won the Premier League in 19 seasons. Shouldn't Benitez take some of the blame for that as well?

Lastly, no one has ever called Carlo a "super genius." Please don't pull these grandiose statements from out of nowhere unless you can back them up.

Both Benitez and Carlo are both average managers in my opinion.

They've both won the European Cup, well played to them.. but at the expense of the league. The years they won the European Cups, their league seasons were not exactly impressive were they. Any manager at a top club like Liverpool or Milan should be able to cope in them both, any GOOD manager at these clubs should be able to win league titles AND compete well in Europe, or the other way around. Neither of them have shown me they are capable of it as of yet, not even once, forget doing it on a regular basis.

I don't think Benitez ever had a team capable of winning the title and surely he never had a team capable of fighting for both the title and the CL.

Because he's a terrible manager.

Jose was accused of buying league titles when he spent £110m on Chelsea.

Benitez spent £110m on Torres, Keane, Babel, Mascherano, Rieira, Dossena and Skrtel, but doesn't come close.. Shocking really.

Benitez has mostly made terrible choices at Liverpool and he has been terrible in the managerial department for them yeah but that can happen. Look at Mou's choices at Inter, it can happen...

Also when Mou went to Chelsea they had a much better team in terms of quality than Liverpool had when Benitez joined them. Benitez had to start from a lower level... even the players he won the CL with were all, apart from Gerrard, average at best.

That's my point, Benitez is awful..

Jose's still going to take the title though.


Chelsea: Cudicini ,Melchiot ,Gallas ,Terry (Huth ,85 ) ,Bridge ,Gronkjaer ,Makelele ,Lampard (Nicolas ,89 ) ,Johnson (Stanic ,82 ) ,Joe Cole ,Gudjohnsen

That's the 14 players that played in their final game of the season. In my opinion, only 4 players are even top 4 quality, forget Champion quality. Terry, Lampard, Cole and Gudjohnson. Cudicini, Gallas, Makelele and Johnson are okay, UEFA Cup quality though. So it's not like he exactly had a great team. Though I'll admit Liverpool only had a few good players, Owen he inherrited but got rid of and was arguable a top 3 striker in the league at the time, Gerrard, Carragher, even Kewell has regularly made the CL with Leeds..

But the fact that Jose won 2 league titles in 3 years and 3 other trophies, while Rafa's won about 3 trophies altogether, without a league title, not good enough for £100m..

On Ancelotti though.. I understand he doesn't make the transfers, but he's had an awful lot of quality in his time here and really hasn't delivered, not even close. We haven't been close to winning the title for some time now and a few decent cup runs have covered over his cracks. I think any good manager would have won 2/3 league titles in 8 years with the players he's had. You can't have Sheva, Kaka', nesta, Maldini, Stam, Pirlo, Dida, etc. all at the top of their game and win 1 league title..

I think you get some fringe benefits with Carlo...the style of football for 1, no-one 2 or 3 years ago could touch us for the style of football we played, from the point of view of the board he plays who he is told to play or try to fit into the team, i for 1 would like to see him win the title then move on (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

If he won the title next year and left.. I'd be very happy. It'd be a nice way for him to leave and even though he'd have won the league that year, it's about time he went really. Everybody wins! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)