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Fillipo Simone
post Mar 9 2009, 08:03 PM
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Ranieri? Ex Palermo? Nooo...I mean, you guys criticize Ancelotti, but this guy,...with this guy we won't we a single important title in decades, and we'll still play/do good. Is that what you really want?
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post Mar 9 2009, 08:10 PM
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i'm a younger fan so i really don't know much of his backround. I only know his tactics and they don't seem that bad.Can you explain to me his Palermo situation please so i can better know his credentials
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post Mar 9 2009, 08:56 PM
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If were going for a coach we might as well go for the heavy hitters. Ranieri is average coach and is lucky we are sh*tting the bed the right now.
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post Mar 9 2009, 09:01 PM
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QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Mar 9 2009, 08:10 PM) *
i'm a younger fan so i really don't know much of his backround. I only know his tactics and they don't seem that bad.Can you explain to me his Palermo situation please so i can better know his credentials

Oh, naturally. He was a Palermo player back decades ago and ever since he's like an institution at that club. Other then that he's a southern coach, he played/coached (if I'm not wrong) at Napoli also. I think Milan will always choose a Milan-related coach, if not first hand coache's like Rijkaard and Van Basten, then maybe Novellino or Donadoni.
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 9 2009, 02:01 PM) *
Oh, naturally. He was a Palermo player back decades ago and ever since he's like an institution at that club. Other then that he's a southern coach, he played/coached (if I'm not wrong) at Napoli also. I think Milan will always choose a Milan-related coach, if not first hand coache's like Rijkaard and Van Basten, then maybe Novellino or Donadoni.


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post Mar 9 2009, 09:07 PM
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QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Mar 9 2009, 09:04 PM) *
Or me when the time is right (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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post Mar 10 2009, 02:57 AM
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i like rijkaard, he has experience and his fields an energetic team. Doesn't sit to well with loaffers either
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Alright, so my biggest criteria for a coach is stability and longevity. No matter how much we all talk about success and trophies, as a supporter of Newcastle (for no real reason, but the heart has reasons the mind blah-blah) I will always vouch for stability over anything.

So I need a coach who

1. Can play beautiful yet practical
2. Has proven capable of handling and using multiple flair/star players at the same time
3. Create a monster f@ckin defence.
4. Be quiet and diplomatic in the media and not say anything dumb. (Ranieri's 'Chinese' democracy, Mou's 'old man')
5. Follows omerta. What happens in the club, stays in the club.
6. Is transparent with his selection policy.
7. Excellent tactician.
8. European pedigree or at least the ability to rough it out in Europe.
9. Not weighed down by the expectations of the club, and is calm enough to do his own thing.
10. Can handle a long term project. (>5 years) And not abandon ship at the first signs of a storm/@ a better offer.


So, now looking at the names around, the results were really surprising. (They're subjective so...feel free to disagree). I'll just put up the names and point out where they fail for me...

Carlo: Fails @ point 6, and does somewhat at 50% for 3,9 and 10. So that means he scores 7.5/10

Spalleti: Fails @ 8 (Roma just doesn't do it!), half point off for (3,4,6,7). Score: 7/10

Mourinho: Fails @ 1,4,5,10 Score: 6/10 (Yes, might be a biased view!) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Frank: Fails @ 10(But only just!). Iffy for (3,6,7) Score: 7.5/10

Rafa: Fails @ 1,5. Iffy at (2,4,6) Score: 6.5/10

Prandelli: Fails @ 8. Iffy at (3,9) Score: 8/10

MvB: Fails @ 10,8,2. Iffy @ just about everything else.

Donadoni: Same as above.


So I think right now, it looks like Prandelli is the best to succeed Carlo (to me). But Rijkaard gets brownie points for being ex-Milanista. Prandelli is ex-Juve, and might like the chance to get a shot at a big club once again. But he doesn't seem likely to come.

So I would think my vote is with Rijkaard to succeed Carlo. Though I would prefer Prandelli for the long term. But Fatih Terim set a bad precedent for coaches who do great with Fiorentina re-building, and then flop at Milan where we prefer evolution to revolution.

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^- one of te best posts i've ever read, also, i think Your evaluation of Mou is just, but his "aura" is unmeasurable albeit annoying lol
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post Mar 10 2009, 11:21 AM
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I certainly don't think Prandelli fails at 8. Fiorentina were eliminated in the UEFA Cup during a bad spell and were very unlucky but they looked great in the CL group stage (where I don't think they could have done much better) and reached the semis of the UEFA Cup last season when they were eliminated in the PK shootout.

Right now Ancelotti fails miserably at 7 too. Even Spalletti has surpassed him and I don't rate the latter very much in that category. Too many inexplicably awful tactical choices and zero flexibility.

I think Ancelotti's time at Milan is up and I believe it would be best for both parties if he left. Prandelli is my favorite coach right now and I'd love to see him at Milan but he's just like everyone else a gamble.

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post Mar 10 2009, 11:31 AM
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As I said many times before, I like the outsiders and unproven guys, like Galli, Baresi or maybe Novellino
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post Mar 10 2009, 11:36 AM
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You've also said you don't like Donadoni exactly because he's unproven... so which is it?
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I was thinking of the Cagliari coach too. Allegri?

But the thing is, how much of respect would you get from star players, if you've not been a top footballer yourself and 2) if you've never managed a top club before.


Of course, we wouldn't have that problem with the names you mentioned.
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QUOTE (dst @ Mar 10 2009, 11:36 AM) *
You've also said you don't like Donadoni exactly because he's unproven... so which is it?

Unproven? No, he's proven and proven to be bad. I didn't like him as National coach because he was unproven. That role I think should be handed to experienced and established coaches.

Since we're in some kind of vacuum era, were old hacks like Capello and Aragones still exist, while mid-age coaches (means not rookies but also not veterans) with pedigree are very hard to find. So, if we're gonna experiment, let's experiment with our own products. Novellino is the only experienced Serie A coach.

Anyway, Donadoni will soon replace Reja at Napoli. Another great move by the Napoli-board.
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post Mar 10 2009, 11:48 AM
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Novellino!? Oh God I hope we won't!
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