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post Feb 28 2009, 01:50 AM
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QUOTE (gal_kenny @ Feb 27 2009, 06:37 PM) *
I'm jus tired of continuing seeing old people...Look at Raul, he already wants to retire...He's a legend...What will Favalli still be doing? i'm saying the truth...no top team today has any old players playing defence or attack today....We've suffered too much...Tennie, i was positive that u would make a comment on this.. It seems like u still like old people playing for milan..but if we have to move forward we don't need old people....We really don't need Favalli...we need fresher blood..Has Darmian played a lot..no..Look at Rafael, he's already a vital player for man u..What's the use keeping players that we don't use...I'm just tired of it and Carlo, being the coach would now put him..Does he have more confidence in Favalli or wat? Imagine Favalli playing for man u..He wouldn't even make their bench...When is the time that they'll give Darmian a chance..As far as i'm concerned, Darmian of now has a lot more to offer than Favalli does....Favalli wants to be legend by force..(That's the only reason i see that he'll play)


+1. Agree entirely.
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post Feb 28 2009, 01:54 AM
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kenny, again with the snark. Actually, I look at a player's contribution to the team - player ratings, if you will. Favalli has gotten consistently higher ratings than (for example) Senderos, who's a good decade younger. That to me indicates he's a better player. Yet by your logic, we'd toss Favalli out and keep Senderos. Favalli is a good BENCH player. He isn't a regular starter in anyone's imagination - he's played as much as he has because of the injuries the defenders have had.

As for the Darmian debate, he seems to play more on the right than in the middle. I don't see Zambrotta being benched in his favor. I think he's just as good in the center (he can play there too) and would certainly prefer to see him there over Senderos or Kaladze.

I'm curious though -- how many games and in what context have you actually seen Darmian play?
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post Feb 28 2009, 02:00 AM
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QUOTE (Tennie @ Feb 27 2009, 06:54 PM) *
kenny, again with the snark. Actually, I look at a player's contribution to the team - player ratings, if you will. Favalli has gotten consistently higher ratings than (for example) Senderos, who's a good decade younger. That to me indicates he's a better player. Yet by your logic, we'd toss Favalli out and keep Senderos. Favalli is a good BENCH player. He isn't a regular starter in anyone's imagination - he's played as much as he has because of the injuries the defenders have had.

As for the Darmian debate, he seems to play more on the right than in the middle. I don't see Zambrotta being benched in his favor. I think he's just as good in the center (he can play there too) and would certainly prefer to see him there over Senderos or Kaladze.

I'm curious though -- how many games and in what context have you actually seen Darmian play?


Realistically are senderos or favalli AC MILAN quality. The fact that you even consider him a "good bench" player is in itself a joke. Is that how are standards are now... happy that a 38 year old player can make the milan bench. I wonder what other top teams have a 38 year old on their bench...hmm.....

i would rather see mattioni or darmin on the bench and used centre and fail and get experience then a 38 year old useless player. We truly have become a retirement home with this mentality.

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post Feb 28 2009, 02:15 AM
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The Order in Milan is...

Nesta
Maldini
Kaladze
Bonera
Favalli

Now that makes Favalli fourth choice. The position Darmian occupied. Tell me honestly blue, this was a freak season, where everyone got injured, but otherwise how much time does a fourth choice player get in a team? I don't agree that a fourth choice player should be a youngster. If a youngster is there, play him, otherwise loan him. Don't keep him there just for the sake of reducing your average team age.

I still stand by my statement that there are few better fourth choice CBs out there. Favalli>>>>Rivas.
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post Feb 28 2009, 02:16 AM
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Favalli is hardly useless, Blue. In my opinion at least. He's a great 3rd or 4th choice CB. And as I said above and have said on repeated occasions, i'd love to see Darmian get more time. I'll ask you the same question I asked kenny: how much and in what context have you actually seen Darmian play? What exactly are you basing the judgment on that he'd be miles better than Favalli, who you have labelled useless?
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post Feb 28 2009, 02:19 AM
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QUOTE (gal_kenny @ Feb 28 2009, 12:37 AM) *
What will Favalli still be doing?

Being a footballer is a very short career, you need to earn as much money as you can during as when you retire you're going to have to use that money for the next 40 or so years. He's making himself a future living right now.
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post Feb 28 2009, 02:49 AM
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QUOTE (Tennie @ Feb 27 2009, 07:16 PM) *
Favalli is hardly useless, Blue. In my opinion at least. He's a great 3rd or 4th choice CB. And as I said above and have said on repeated occasions, i'd love to see Darmian get more time. I'll ask you the same question I asked kenny: how much and in what context have you actually seen Darmian play? What exactly are you basing the judgment on that he'd be miles better than Favalli, who you have labelled useless?


milan youth producet. 18 years old. Future wide open.

Favali, got free from inter. 38 years old. Future closing really quickly.

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post Feb 28 2009, 02:52 AM
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Didn't answer the question, though. Have you seen Darmian play? Where/when? How much?
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post Feb 28 2009, 02:54 AM
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i,ve seen him play abertazzi play for u21s. I,ve seen him play a little bit for milan aswell.

What i,m trying to say is, why do we have favalli in our squad at 38 when darmian should be there instead of him. All favalli is trying to do like kurt says is make as much money as possible before retiring.


Why do you defend the fact that a 38 year old inter reject has room to play our lineups. Hes not a 4th choice, when he plays at least 10 games.

Gourcuff didn,t even see as much time as favalli does.

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post Feb 28 2009, 03:01 AM
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Actually, blue, they've neither of them played for the U21s. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Perhaps you mean the U19s or the U20s. For the record, I've seen Darmian play for the U19s in last summer's tournament, I've seen him in Serie A a handful (probably less than 5) games, and I've seen him 3 times for the Primavera (they televise primavera games in Italy and I've seen those while on holiday).

You're conveniently ignoring how stable Favster has been - he got a 7 in the Udinese game, which is quite a high rating for a defender. (Maldini got it in the first Derby but he's the only other one who has so far). You're labelling Favalli a reject of the cugini and forgetting that he was captain of Lazio after Nesta left. Would you also label Pirlo and Seedorf rejects?

And you're ignoring the fact that I've said repeatedly that I would love to see Darmian get more time.
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post Feb 28 2009, 03:08 AM
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QUOTE (Tennie @ Feb 27 2009, 08:01 PM) *
Actually, blue, they've neither of them played for the U21s. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Perhaps you mean the U19s or the U20s. For the record, I've seen Darmian play for the U19s in last summer's tournament, I've seen him in Serie A a handful (probably less than 5) games, and I've seen him 3 times for the Primavera (they televise primavera games in Italy and I've seen those while on holiday).

You're conveniently ignoring how stable Favster has been - he got a 7 in the Udinese game, which is quite a high rating for a defender. (Maldini got it in the first Derby but he's the only other one who has so far). You're labelling Favalli a reject of the cugini and forgetting that he was captain of Lazio after Nesta left. Would you also label Pirlo and Seedorf rejects?

And you're ignoring the fact that I've said repeatedly that I would love to see Darmian get more time.


your older yet have better memory than me. I give you full props. Yes as you guessed i meant the u 19s. I was thinking of canada,s u 21 team as i was typing this sorry.


But yes favster may have been stable a few games but that doesnt ignore the fact he cannot play week in week out as cb. While darmian could eventually develop into a nesta and play week in week out. Thats my whole point.

Favster is a reject of the cugini because at 35 or whatever age they got rid of him, he was pretty much done. He had no room on the championship team in italy.

Pirlo and seedorf are a different story. They couldn't work with inter's style so they had to let go of them. Same with quaresma right now. If he starts scoring hattricks in chelsea they'll hail him as god but he still did not work good with inter.

I've forgotten why i'm even arguing with you at this point.

We have been going at this for 5 hours now.
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post Feb 28 2009, 03:11 AM
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QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Feb 25 2009, 09:09 PM) *
Mario Balotelli in a milan jersey teamed with pato is my wet dream....

Balotelli is a nutcase in the making. I think I'd rather see Cap'n Jack's private Kaladze pic stash. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Feb 28 2009, 03:15 AM
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For what it's worth, I think Favalli has done a competent job whenever called upon at CB. Though I didn't really like him playing left back when Janku was injured (Can't remember if that was early this season or towards the end of last season..)
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post Feb 28 2009, 03:26 AM
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miz you know who we should sign..????



This guy man, him on milan would be like a dream come true for you (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)


(IMG:http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1263/dida.jpg)


19 years old. Palmeiras youth talent. AND A GOAL KEEPER. HIS NAME IS DIDA. WE COULD HAVE LIKE ANOTHER 20 YEARS OF DIDA!
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post Feb 28 2009, 03:28 AM
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nothanks for me. Would much rather sign Fiorillo from Samp. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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