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post Jan 21 2009, 04:24 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jan 21 2009, 02:56 PM) *
I mean, it can't be that everything summs up to the - "Gourcuff should have played more and Flamini should have played more"...

It can't be that everything sums up to "Carlo is always right, Carlo always makes the right decisions" either (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Jan 21 2009, 05:55 PM
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Is There any chance of Seeing Mattioni in this match?
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post Jan 21 2009, 06:10 PM
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QUOTE (kizo @ Jan 21 2009, 09:55 PM) *
Is There any chance of Seeing Mattioni in this match?

I don't know, Carlo hasn't even included him in the team sheet for the friendly against Hanover today. Seeing him in a Serie A match against Bologna, seems too far away. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Then again, last time I checked I wasn't Carlo, so who knows we may yet see him. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) We'll see.
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post Jan 21 2009, 06:11 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 21 2009, 04:05 PM) *
Flamini was playing well at the start of the season, one of our most impressive performers, but when Ambro and Rino were both availble he got dropped. Because that's how Carlo works. Picks teams based on seniority, age and favouritism.

And you would pick them based on? Everyone has to pick players based on something.

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Henry was another one of those player that you could say was an overlooked youngster by Carlo, in order for Carlo to play a young player he has to have an obvious talent that you can't deny, like Kaka, if not Carlo won't give him the chance, Henry at the time was a winger at Juve, but still the talent was all there. But Carlo couldn't recognise it. And wouldn't give him the chance on the pitch to establish himself and see where he's more comfortable playing.

Be carefull when you start playing the Henry card. That was a different story. I read once here Carlo was the one who forced him out of Juve...

Obvious talent? Oh,...

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It can't be that everything sums up to "Carlo is always right, Carlo always makes the right decisions" either

Did I say that? In fact, I started the first critic on Ancelotti saying his fullback pairing does not make sense?

I'm just bored of the same routine - if a player plays great, it's "despite Carletto", if he sucks it's "because of Carletto".
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post Jan 21 2009, 06:14 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jan 21 2009, 07:11 PM) *
I'm just bored of the same routine - if a player plays great, it's "despite Carletto", if he sucks it's "because of Carletto".

You're bored of it but it's true right? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Jan 21 2009, 06:16 PM
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Yeah it is. It's: FACT... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/freak.gif)

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post Jan 21 2009, 06:20 PM
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Henry is overrated anyway (IMG:http://qsmile.com/qsimages/242.gif) no seriously, I prefer Trezeguet. always have.
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post Jan 21 2009, 06:34 PM
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Not sure anyone has noted it in this thread (sorry, been up since 3am my time for the inaugual stuff) but Sinisa Mihailovic has a touchline ban for the Bologna game so he'll be watching it from the stands.
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post Jan 21 2009, 06:49 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jan 21 2009, 07:16 PM) *
Yeah it is. It's: FACT... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/freak.gif)

Ha-ha! He's gone crazy, we made it Zed! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Jan 21 2009, 07:06 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jan 21 2009, 10:11 PM) *
And you would pick them based on? Everyone has to pick players based on something.

Form and fitness. Players who would help us win. Also rotation, my friend. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/innocent.gif) There's also the small matter of looking towards the future, but that's for another day. It's one thing giving a guy like Flamini a chance when our regular DMs are injured, and completely another not playing him months once the usual suspects return. Give Ambro and Gattuso a rest once in a while (so they don't get injured), and also substitute at least one of them after 60 minutes flat each match, depending on the game scenario.

What Carlo doesn't seem to understand is that there will come a day when Ambrosini and Gattuso will retire within an year or two of each other. We just have to have someone prepared for that day. Adjusted to our playing style. Still, I won't comment on Flamini's situation, there is still lots of time. It's not like he's going anywhere. Neither is Carlo, nor our regular players. There are also those Uruguayan fellas we signed, to warm the bench. Fingers crossed, we get some sorts of rotation going.
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post Jan 22 2009, 08:11 AM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jan 21 2009, 06:11 PM) *
And you would pick them based on? Everyone has to pick players based on something.


Be carefull when you start playing the Henry card. That was a different story. I read once here Carlo was the one who forced him out of Juve...

Obvious talent? Oh,...


Did I say that? In fact, I started the first critic on Ancelotti saying his fullback pairing does not make sense?

I'm just bored of the same routine - if a player plays great, it's "despite Carletto", if he sucks it's "because of Carletto".

QUOTE (acid911 @ Jan 21 2009, 07:06 PM) *
Form and fitness. Players who would help us win. Also rotation, my friend. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/innocent.gif) There's also the small matter of looking towards the future, but that's for another day. It's one thing giving a guy like Flamini a chance when our regular DMs are injured, and completely another not playing him months once the usual suspects return. Give Ambro and Gattuso a rest once in a while (so they don't get injured), and also substitute at least one of them after 60 minutes flat each match, depending on the game scenario.

What Carlo doesn't seem to understand is that there will come a day when Ambrosini and Gattuso will retire within an year or two of each other. We just have to have someone prepared for that day. Adjusted to our playing style. Still, I won't comment on Flamini's situation, there is still lots of time. It's not like he's going anywhere. Neither is Carlo, nor our regular players. There are also those Uruguayan fellas we signed, to warm the bench. Fingers crossed, we get some sorts of rotation going.

I think acid's post here answers you better then I could have on what bases I would pick players to start.

No one can know what happened back then at Juve between Carlo and the player, that being said, him forcing a young player out or not giving him the chance to establish himself. Both aren't really things you should praise Carlo on...

And you tell me which player other then Kaka has Carlo ever given the chance to shine in his teams when they were at a young age and were unknowns.

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jan 21 2009, 06:20 PM) *
Henry is overrated anyway (IMG:http://qsmile.com/qsimages/242.gif) no seriously, I prefer Trezeguet. always have.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/puke.gif) Sorry man but I hate Trezeguet
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 22 2009, 12:41 PM) *
I think acid's post here answers you better then I could have on what bases I would pick players to start.

No one can know what happened back then at Juve between Carlo and the player, that being said, him forcing a young player out or not giving him the chance to establish himself. Both aren't really things you should praise Carlo on...

And you tell me which player other then Kaka has Carlo ever given the chance to shine in his teams when they were at a young age and were unknowns.


(IMG:style_emoticons/default/puke.gif) Sorry man but I hate Trezeguet



Top of my head- Crespo(21-22 yrs), Pirlo(22-23 yrs) and Pato (19 yrs) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

O.K you can scratch Pato off the list if you want.

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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jan 22 2009, 01:05 PM) *
Top of my head- Crespo(21-22 yrs), Pirlo(22-23 yrs) and Pato (19 yrs)

Crespo wasn't 21-22. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Besides, all these were known or hyped players. They had a history.

The point Han and I are trying to get across is unknowns that Carlo blossoms into superstars. On his own. So much so they can be called Carlo's players. The Gourcuffs are another matter, I'm talking about Darmians, Paloschis, Cardacios, Viudezes, the Girmis, the unknowns who he saw talent in, and then nourished that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Oh, he likes his established players alright. He likes to keep the Brocchis and Emersons happy. Which isn't necesserily a bad thing, guys like them are here to play. But at the expense of first team players (when they are out inured or are resting). Not the youth.

It's okay, he can't be Arsene Wegner, and you may even argue that finding and coaching youth isn't in his job description, but at the bare minimum give them their just chances. Tell one established player to take a month or two off, completely, so he can be fresh for the tougher matches. Tell Seedorf that. Tell Pirlo that. inter did it with Ibra? Why wait for them to get overworked and injured, then rest them? Why not before? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) I dare him to play any of these youngsters as either starters/or last 30-minutes appearances over a period of six months in ALL matches. No, let me say that again: ALL MATCHES. Tell one lad that he'll play the whole six months, give him confidence and space to shine. Only then can you judge a youngster; only then can we not complain about Carlo's approach in this regard.

Carlo is a darn fine tactician. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) One of the very best. But he's also a darn bad man-manager. FACT. I'm out.

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No honestly. Pirlo was a flop, we purchased from Inter. It would be like getting that Lloria from Roma, and suddenly having him make a name for himself.

Crespo was an unknown too. An unproven talent, and without the kind of media spread in those days, you could say he was an unknown in Europe.

Well I'm cool with having youngsters play for all matches, but then you shouldn't tell Carlo 'CL/Scudetto or it's your @ss!'. Arsene Wenger has that luxury. So does SAF (granted he's earned it!). In that they have unwavering faith of their fans and board to do whatever the F they like.

We already know that for our board Carlo is just another employee on par with the other team players. His word has value within financial limits. So Emerson means Brocchi. Ribery at his peak means a work-in-progress R80. And a Sheva replacement means Oliveira.

As for fighting for his needs, I don't think it would make a difference in Italy. Mourinho's already have two spats with Moratti, and really it's his reputation that's keeping him in his job. If he doesn't deliver anything he'll be gone by next December.
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 21 2009, 09:36 AM) *
Agreed on the whole fullback point, Sometimes I just cannot understand Carlo, the strange things he does, and it would be ok if they worked well in favour of the team, but this whole 'strategy' of putting the right footed fullback on the left and vice-versa is just rediculous.


Well okay .. You don't need me to convince you otherwise, but when Carlo brought Zambrotta in from Bari, he applied the same meathod, he made a left fullback play on the right. And Zambrotta was just reaching recognition at the time, and today can play equally well both at right back and left back.

I can see the same meathod being applied to Antonini ... Is it ridiculous ? I don't think so, cuz there might be something behind the curtains, Antonini could very well turn out to be a great option both for the left back slot and right back.

As of now, the player has been doing better on the left, but with time you never know (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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