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 January 2009 Transfer Window |
 Jan 3 2009, 11:41 PM
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CrAzY EyeS  Group: Helpers Posts: 5,334 Joined: 25-February 08 From: Trinidad Member No.: 3,723  |
QUOTE (amancik @ Jan 3 2009, 06:08 PM)  Henry? Carlo & Henry's Juventus days reference. |
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Jan 3 2009, 11:43 PM
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Berretti Group: Helpers Posts: 13,937 Joined: 26-February 08 From: Always Around Member No.: 3,736 |
QUOTE (amancik @ Jan 4 2009, 03:08 AM) Henry? Yeah, in Carlo's time while he was in charge of Juve. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleepysmiley03.gif) Henry really shone when he joined Arsenal. QUOTE (dst @ Jan 4 2009, 03:12 AM) You finally get it! My point exactly. See it's not that hard to understand. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/devil.gif) I can't really say about Henry, Grimi, Viudez or Cardacio, but Gourcuff certainly is on. And a couple of other youngsters right off the bat. There is, of course, the small matter of a player not being talented enough, or peaking late, but a coach should at least be able to say he gave them a fair run/chance. And no, one match off the bench in 3 months doesn't constitute as a chance. Pity. |
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Jan 4 2009, 01:50 AM
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Primavera  Group: Moderators Posts: 18,833 Joined: 5-April 06 From: Croatia, Zagreb Member No.: 1,564 |
Nah, that Henry thing. That was a breakthrough for me and my view of Ancelotti. When people started pointing fingers in Ancelotti as the resposible for the Henry failiure. Gosh!
Anyway, I don't wanna turn this into a Ancelotti debate. I find it interesting we're looking for a young italian defender, and I don't give a damn what happened to the "other guys". Usually when Milan buy italian stuff, especially defensive stuff, it does not stay unpacked. |
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Jan 4 2009, 01:58 AM
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Allievi Nazionali Group: Full Members Posts: 8,034 Joined: 4-May 08 From: Pakistan Member No.: 3,873 |
out of context but After signing Wayne Bridge, Manchester City are ready to set another strike on the transfer market: according to the Daily Mirror, the Citizens have offered over 8 million euros to Arsenal to obtain 27 year old Kolo Touré.
IF 8 million is the figure then we should be really intersted in him i quite like him |
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Jan 4 2009, 03:44 AM
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Prima Squadra Group: Helpers Posts: 30,194 Joined: 11-March 07 From: Birmingham, England Member No.: 3,660 |
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Jan 4 2009, 12:58 AM) out of context but After signing Wayne Bridge, Manchester City are ready to set another strike on the transfer market: according to the Daily Mirror, the Citizens have offered over 8 million euros to Arsenal to obtain 27 year old Kolo Touré. IF 8 million is the figure then we should be really intersted in him i quite like him Good move in signing Bridge, Garrido is a terrible LB and they went after a proven EPL player. I don't think they could get big names anyways. They're also after Roque Santa Cruz (£15m) from Blackburn and Scott Parker & Craig Bellamy (Combined £17m) from West Ham. They're all decent enough. Kolo Toure put in a transfer request sometime last week, which was rejected by Arsenal. So if Milan put in a decent enough offer, I'm sure Arsenal would consider it, and Toure would want to join. |
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Jan 4 2009, 03:53 AM
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Token Girl Group: Moderators Posts: 12,435 Joined: 13-November 06 From: Washington, DC Member No.: 2,800 |
Does Toure have an EU passport?
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Jan 4 2009, 06:05 AM
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Prima Squadra Group: Helpers Posts: 30,194 Joined: 11-March 07 From: Birmingham, England Member No.: 3,660 |
QUOTE (Tennie @ Jan 4 2009, 02:53 AM) Does Toure have an EU passport? I don't believe he does. |
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Jan 4 2009, 10:42 AM
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Allievi Nazionali Group: Full Members Posts: 8,034 Joined: 4-May 08 From: Pakistan Member No.: 3,873 |
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jan 4 2009, 05:05 AM) I don't believe he does. oh end of topic for us then |
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Jan 4 2009, 10:57 AM
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Primavera Group: Helpers Posts: 18,058 Joined: 9-February 06 Member No.: 1,265 |
QUOTE (KillerMax @ Jan 3 2009, 11:03 PM) The only real difference is that an 18 year old with great potential has more to prove, is hungrier, learns faster, is generally faster, has more energy and can become something great for the team. Such player must be eased into the squad. On the other hand, a 38 year old has experience and is more tactically sound, but lacks the physical attributes to serve his team fully. That's why most player retire at around 34-35 and most top teams let players around that age go. +1 QUOTE Teams like Real and Barca have some gems on their hand right now because they gave chances to their youngsters with great potential. To me, there is not too much difference in the level quality between Paloschi and Iniesta 4-5 seasons ago. What do we do? We loan out the player, co-own him and rinse and repeat until the player is well over 25... What do they do? They ease the player into the first team squad, slowly but surly. Now Iniesta is their vice-captain and a youth product. I think there is something to be learned here. We did great with Maldini and Costacurta, but that's a long long time ago. I wouldn't compare Milan with other top European teams in that respect. every team has a weak point, ours is our inability to make superstars out of unknown youngsters. since 2000 onwards, who, beside Pato and Kaka, has made it to our first XI as a youngster? Paloschi came very close but he got loaned out (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) QUOTE (dst @ Jan 3 2009, 11:08 PM) It is interesting. Milan showing interest in a young player, especially a young defender is not so common. He would not be signed as the next big thing though so don't worry. I say, we have a couple of young defenders ourselves; why would we want to look at a Serie B team's defender? it doesn't make any sense to me... QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jan 4 2009, 12:16 AM) I don't understand this. We're not happy/interested in signing young defenders, we don't wan't veterans either. Either to young or to old, as long as it carries a bad omen. What do we want? I get the impression we're searching and yearning for something that is a priori unreachable? I for one am interested in signing an established defender, whose age is between ~20 and ~30. no more [past it has-beens like Canna], no less [youngsters who won't get more than 10 minutes in a season!] QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jan 4 2009, 12:18 AM) You want me to say there are 21-or-so better defenders avaible in Fluminense, Brazil, or? I know and respect you rethoric skills, but for the sake of the argument, name them. No, I've already said imo Santacroce is a really good defender. at least better than a 35yo Cannavaro, or a 19yo Serie B defender. QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jan 4 2009, 01:28 AM) No one really answered to my post. Pato does not count? I don't rate both Grimi and Gourcuff that much to make them an example for young players at Milan. And I don't see the coach as a main problem. Now we know everything better and we sure would develop Viudez and Cardacio. After all, we all know exactly how good they are, what they can offer, how mentally fit the might be and the rest as well, right? Yeah, yeah,...Ancelotti destroyed the exemptional talents of Grimi, Viudez, Cardacio and especially Gourcuff. Just like he wanted to to with Henry, right? Ancelotti is not the problem anymore, everyone knows he is no Wenger, i.e. not a great coach in that respect. question is, why do we keep buying youngsters? |
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Jan 4 2009, 12:12 PM
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Token Girl Group: Moderators Posts: 12,435 Joined: 13-November 06 From: Washington, DC Member No.: 2,800 |
One thought has occurred to me. The new second assistant at Milan is Fillipo Galli. He's the former berretti and primavera coach - and the guy who coached Young Alberto and Darmian for a couple of years. He seems more than capable of bringing along young talent - perhaps he's the reason we're looking at youngsters.
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Jan 4 2009, 12:28 PM
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Primavera Group: Moderators Posts: 18,833 Joined: 5-April 06 From: Croatia, Zagreb Member No.: 1,564 |
So Santacroce is the answer? Oh, really,...
Honestly, what's the big difference between Santacroce and a 1 year younger Serie B defender? I mean, I get it he's playing with Napoli and so and so, but you made it look like Santacroce's a star defender in Serie A. He's just overrated up till now. |
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Jan 4 2009, 12:41 PM
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Primavera Group: Helpers Posts: 18,058 Joined: 9-February 06 Member No.: 1,265 |
Firstly, Santacroce is 22, that player was 19. 22-19= 3 not 1.
Secondly, I just named one. I could add Mexes to that too. oh wait, Mexes is overrated. Thirdly, if Santacroce, who has performed brilliantly in the past 2 seasons and has shown a great promise isn't the answer, so isn't a 19yo Serie B defender. Fourthly, "what's the big difference between Santacroce and a 1 year younger Serie B defender?" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) you can't be serious. you just can't... I'm sure this is a joke. Fifthly, I didn't make Santacroce Serie A's star defender. I named a realistic target. if you think we can get Chiellini, by all means. Sixthly, exactly what's your problem with Santacroce? [I think I know...] Seventhly, I'm sure you will all of a sudden become a pro-Santacroce if Milan buys him. |
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Jan 4 2009, 12:49 PM
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Token Girl Group: Moderators Posts: 12,435 Joined: 13-November 06 From: Washington, DC Member No.: 2,800 |
Hey, I'd be happy with Santacroce! I like him and think he's got potential. Is he at Chiellini's level? Don't think so, but in honesty I'm not sure how many players ARE right now (this is Fishdoll's fanboy influence. he thinks Chiellini is probably the best centerback playing right now, certainly the best one in Italy). Yes I'm guilty of making Brazil jokes about him but he's a proven Serie A defender who's done well for his club and who has gotten a call up to the senior side.
I am a little intrigued by the rumor that Milan are following the Serie B kid - that just is out of nowhere. |
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Jan 4 2009, 02:15 PM
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Smoking Bianco Group: Helpers Posts: 14,039 Joined: 15-August 05 From: KWT Member No.: 191 |
QUOTE (Tennie @ Jan 4 2009, 02:49 PM) I am a little intrigued by the rumor that Milan are following the Serie B kid - that just is out of nowhere. If you consider that player to be first team quality, then I would be a bit more intrigued than you (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) .. I think, if at all true, then this transfer would be for the primavera and not for the first team. Seeing as Milan has been investing in its primavera ranks for the past two years. About the next defender, He wont be anywhere near Thiago Silva's age, that is for sure (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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Jan 4 2009, 02:41 PM
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Primavera Group: Helpers Posts: 18,058 Joined: 9-February 06 Member No.: 1,265 |
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jan 4 2009, 05:45 PM) About the next defender, He wont be anywhere near Thiago Silva's age, that is for sure (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Yeah I think it's safe to say he will be a +30yo! |
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