i feel sorry for dida too. he played exceptionally today. the dida of old was certainly reincarnated.

and hey, tip of the hat to shevychenkkkoo. he showed signs today. he wasn't offside too often..and his movement up front was far better than that of most strikers that we've tried to play as the santa hat of the christmas tree. he really is making strides with every appearance he makes.

And we got to see Cardaccio!

We also saw that when emerson was sent off..kaka came to the middle of the park he injected pace into our attacks and spread play around more instead of hanging around waiting for service..and as soon as he did that we started to move better. He was more influential doing that than he was the rest of the game. i wanna see him do that more often. Dinho and Seedorf in the midfield leads to too gradual a build up. Kaka releases, switches, and stretches play very well when he plays IN THE MIDFIELD..something he can't do waiting around in the wings.

just goes to show carlo isn't really getting the best out of his players..cuz he isn't playing them in their most effective roles.

some good things happened today..it wasn't all terrible.

that said, that last tackle emerson made was atrocious. it cancelled out all the good work he did in the first half.

This post has been edited by vnata001: Dec 4 2008, 02:15 AM

I'm not going to complain..We played a great game...But i gat something to say and this is more of a fact!! We won't win anything without buying new defenders..Its that simple!!!

Another ridiculous game from Favalli. It's absurd to rely on that player. No matter what tournament we participate in, he is just low budget at best. Inter stuf... you know. Emerson wasn't even the villian. He is born stupid and was quite useful in the first half, not allowing Lazio to attack more often. Flamini wasn't much better.

It was a better game than Palermo, but... I mean, could it be worse? I doubt. Glad to see Sheva scoring a REAL goal. He invented the situation and finished it top class. He sucked in the first half though. Aside from desire, not much has left. I do believe he will get better and better since 3 months are simply not enough to cover for 2 years of benchwarming.

And Carlo got afraid again.... No forward for like 6 minutes.... When Lazio were attacking. Grand mistake.

Whatever, Coppa Italia is the most boring and useless tournament I've ever seen. It's a shame italian football includes something so stupid. What bothers me is that our Calcio games are even worse lately. Let's hope Catania is a different story.

Forza Milan

he dint get red, thats for sure. he dint lose us the game in one swoop.

you speak about holding players in the same standard well what has emerson done all season,besides put in two ok performance the 2nd one being this one which he got send off?nothing! kaka hasnt been very good, but that basically means he has been the difference, then again no one else has (besides a few goals from ronaldinho).

but after 3 seasons of basically carrying the team, with a pirlo who hasnt consistently performed since the world cup (which i dont see you criticize). playing poorly for 1 season i can handle. *edited*

emerson, favalli, and even kaladze to a certain extent(who's only had a couple of good seasons with us) havent really done anything for the club. in fact it can be argued that milan has done more for them, and mroe often than not they play poolr or make crucial mistakes. so what do you expect? they dont get criticise because they play so amazing and then make the odd mistake, it's no coincidence that most people feel this way.

you obviously have something against kaka your almost itching for us to say something bad against him, maybe it's because he gets the most attention and well i think he's earned it, and a guy like pirlo comes in close second which no shame and takes nothing away from him. but personally a milan without kaka is worse than a milan with pirlo, and we've seen glimpses of both this season.

IMO both kaka and pirlo arent being played properly, and as a result for the past while (then end of the last season leading up to now) they havent looked dangerous.

pirlo is normally played with 2-3 other midfielders that lack pace, more often than not he's accompanied by two 2 DM which slows the pace of the game too much and we cant break down defenses. but play him with gattuso, or ambro, or flamini and replace the other DM with a pacy mid (ei anoother attacking option) then with the two AMs ( r20,kaka) the fullbacks, the CF and has more options.

another problem with kaka in the Xtree is that he pushed out wide, he isnt nearly as effective there as he is int he center, right behind the strikers.

This post has been edited by Habitant: Dec 4 2008, 05:22 PM

Great goal by Sheva - he should soon be fit/sharp enough for Serie A.

Dinho used to be fast and inject pace/dribbling like Kaka, but those days are done.

I would be interested in seeing this formation:

Pato - Sheva

Kaka

Ambro - Pirlo - Gattuso (when they are all healthy that is)

I really like Kaka playing as an armador

Agreed. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) He already had enough class to score from outside the box. It was just the confidence that was missing, which came back yesterday. I've only seen Pato and Ronaldo (R99, thank you) do that in a Milan shirt consistently. Which frankly is a good idea as opponent teams in Serie A park an A380 in front of the goal.

I believe NEVER should a GK be blamed for failing to stop a penalty. it's just a lottory, nothing more.

Our best players were Dida and Senderos IMO. Ronaldinho showed some great skills and made a few good through passes... he was OK. Kaka was not. I don't know why he falls down all over the place. looks like he still dizzy after his car accident!

Emerson and Favalli... I don't even want to comment on. though I have to thank Emerson for we played MUCH better after he was sent off.

Cardacio from what I saw last night, is more than just an ordinary player. he's like Flamini in a way, can make challenges and has a decent pass. he looks good going forward too. he is not just a DM. it was his debut and for many reasons he wasn't going to be able to show even half of his real potential. but I think it's worth it to work on him and play him a little more in league games. at least ahead of Emerson...



Welcome to our club mate. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Great post dst. completely agree with you!


Totally right.

Don't understand how some on here can turn their backs on Kaka but still defend Carlo with every breath they take. Yas Kaka is currently struggling a bit to regain form, but what do you expect from a guy who's been carrying the team all by himself for so long while struggling through his own injuries? And like you's said being played in a position that takes away half of his effectiveness. All this thanks to Carlo.

He is the one that popped up with the goals when Carlo's terrible decisions and tactics were leading us to get humiliated, look what happened last season against Arsenal, Kaka was played while being injured, he really couldn't do much of anything and we got knocked out.

It's like it's suddenly Kaka's fault for the way we're playing, not Carlo's who still insists on certain players that shouldn't even come near the bench let alone the first 11 and still uses tactics that have been proved as failures time and time again

dst described Carlo best here

han the man (IMG:http://qsmile.com/qsimages/241.gif)

After rethinking and reading all you comments I got to some random thoughts.

I don't think Ancelotti is an idiot, and I don't think he neccesary makes our situation worse. However, I agree he is too much unflexible and not ready to make compromises. Here's what I think of him: he is a great coach, a great planner and preparator, but in this moment, our squad is in such a condicion that all his bad spots and weeknesses appear even bigger, emphasized.

Milan reached a low in terms of motivation. There's only individual motivation left - Cardacio: "Happy to make my debut, despite the bad result" and Shevchenko: "Obviously I'm not pleased at the result, but I just want to think about my goal" are qoutes that just give the latest example. Sometimes Seedorf has a good day, but then the defense sucks. The other day the defense tops, but Seedorf sucks. One solution is to be stubborn, try the same again, again, try to project your (Ancelotti's) confidence to the players who don't have it or who have problems. To minimize the rotation and form strict habits. I'd do the same. But it does not work. I agree, it fails mostly.

What to do? We're no Parma, this isn't 3 legs till season end. This is not a situation period were you change your coach to gain short-term confidence for you team. A "sudden" coach change would not provide positive effect. Cause realistically seeing the matter, that's the only effect we can expect. Many squad players are in a peculiar and special condition. And our options? They are bad... Rijkaard, Donadoni,.. all of them not up to the test to make this condition better, not the coaches that "shook the world in Milan".

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Now I've admitted more then just a bit. But that still does not mean I'm gonna start calling players and coaches names, make fun of them and present a bonefire of vanity and naive cynism. I'm not gonna change my approach and I'm not gonna torture myself more then neccessary. I'm not gonna loose my head and start acting like I don't remember what a defeat means, what a lost cup, scudetto, championship means. I'm not gonna act like this is the first row of bad results Milan had! I'm not gonna act like I watch Milan since 2002, 2003 or 04. I'm watching them way back, and I've expierenced all these thing before. Everything I say nice, positive or bona fide someone tries to bring me down! But I've seen 'nuff to know what to think! I'm sick of spending Sundays with Milan wishing they were Mondays! Just to skip the vicious comments and "jungle ethics" cynism!

Didn't get a chance to see Sheva's goal !! Just like old times (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Sounds fine, Fillipo. whatever everybody wants. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

This is a forum. no one is here to tell the others what to think.

dst thinks he's an idiot? his opinion. I personally think his time is simply up. if I've said he was stupid or things like that, I admit I was wrong and it was just the heat of the moment. but I strongly believe he needs to go because he's taking us nowhere, if our aim is to win the Scudetto.

So...Kaka still is beyond criticism and Emerson is evil incarnate. Right.

Think I'll check back in when there's a little more balance and a little less venom on this board.

I'm with Tennie on this. Kaka has been terrible in some games where he was not even trying to do anything. He looked like he did not even care.

Carlo and Kaka cannot be put together. Of course they are related but still they are two individuals.

Yes, but Kaka' did get the assist last night, he did his job. Emerson and Carlo did NOT do their job, that's why they're the ones getting owned today. In fact I'd say they - along with Favalli - were the biggest reasons why we threw it away. Getting sent off, giving away a penalty, and going all out defense is not the way to go.