beuacse the guy is a dumb ***, simple as that.

Carlo can't be blamed for our inability to score despite the presence of Ka-Pa-Ro (just typing that makes me gag).

bologna... genoa.. cagliari... all of them wear blue, red jersey.. i think we have bad omen with teams with blue red jersey.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

guys he played xmas simply cause dinho was performing. He thought he could get around the old flaw with dinho added but it seems to not have changed. Now either kaka or dinho has to be dropped. Carlo won't make the same mistake again. Cagliari wasn't decisive, yes we gave them points but its okay.


We have :

strikers:

inzaghi
sheva
borriello
pato

Playmakers:

kaka
ronaldinho
pirlo
seedorf

defensive mids:

flamini
gattuso
ambrosini
emerson




you guys have fun trying to make a line up that keeps everyone happy and keeps us winning. Carlo has a very difficult time with the formation. Things change every week. He has to be a step ahead if we want to win calcio this season. Game preparation is crucial and we need to focus on it more than anything.


anyways my line up would be:

4-2-2-2


-----------X---------------------------
------------------------X--------------
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-------X---------------------------X--
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---------------X----------------------
------------------------------X------------
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---X----------------------------------X--
--------------X--------X------------------

-------------------X----------------------

I would go then

borriello pato= Red
Seedorf kaka= Green light
flamini pirlo= green dark
janku nesta maldini zambrota= blue
abbiati= brown


but you guys make your own formations, have fun. lets see what you come up with.

This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Oct 6 2008, 09:14 AM

lol (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) every season we always have bad luck somewhere.

The difference I guess, would be that Ambro couldn't do in a million years what Gattuso did to CR that night at the San Siro.

Similarly Rino couldn't in a million years, get the stability and steady grit of Ambro. They're both on paper DMs, but they're very different.

Glad to see one more Carletto fan. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

But you're wrong on one count. If Carletto wins derby - He is a hero. If Milan is not able to score...not only is Carletto a stubborn jack@ss, who doesn't know f@ckall about coaching (2 CLs and 1 scudetto were coz of the extraordinary players he had, while 3 premiership titles and 0 CLs for Chelsea was coz of Mourinho's charisma and not coz of a team that's 3 times more expensive than Milan)....he was also really really lucky to win the derby. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I think if 10ie were around she'd rap me on the knuckles and tell me to stop being 'snarky'. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


For the record, I think Bluey and Miz have got it spot on.

Ka-Pa-Ro on paper should break down a tight defence. Esp since like Bluey said, R20 is meant to specialise in that. Evidentlu bucktooth still ain't strong enough to play thrice in a week. Either way run him to the ground, and get our 20 mill worth.

As for Pato...i'm pretty sure neither Pippo nor Sheva (or Gila) would be given the luxury of hiding under the isolated from mid-field as an excuse.

Pippo would be accused of staying up there doing nothing and hoping for a tap-in, while Sheva would be considered too slow and past it.

Pato as a mobile fast striker should really fit into that trident...ON PAPER. Like Miz said, Carletto can only come up with the theory, it's up to the ragazzi to put it into practise. And armiss did mention, travelling away midweek, is a bit strenuous.

And I always thought Cagliari were a better team than we gave them credit for. They were just playing really really badly and it was only a matter of time, till the players themselves picked up their games a notch.

It's a 0-0 draw....things could have gotten far worse. Right now, I think we're still in the get the players to fitness patch of things.

Will be end of November till everyone is up and ready.

If I must criticise Carlo, it must be as to why Flamini was not in. He's half Italian anyway so... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Niggling injuries or something??

This post has been edited by Jack Sparrow: Oct 6 2008, 11:01 AM

@ Jack

Did you watch the game?!

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Just the highlights package to be honest...but I'll never let something as silly as that stop me. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Valdo's stream kept freezing due to my slow connection..all I saw was a few misplaced passes from Rino...which kinda prompted my Flamini question.



This post has been edited by Jack Sparrow: Oct 6 2008, 11:40 AM

But Rinho couldn't do in a million years what Ambro did to PSV that night (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)


U really think Lampard, Grogba, Terry, Cole, Chech and others it is not enough to win? I wouldn't say they have won thanks to Murinho's charisma. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

Hee...my Mourinho comment was sarcasm...I don't think he's better than Sacchi or Capello.

Agree with you on the Ambro comment. That was precisely my point. They are different, though they have the same job description.

Kind of like Slash and Hammet. They're both lead guitarists, but it ends there.

I didn't see any of the game so can't really give an opinion on how we played. Seeing the starting lineup and formation is enough to say that Carlo has basically put our hard work in the derby to waste.

Oh, and Ambro owns Rino. Rino may be of use to us against United, Inter or Juve, but we play these top teams.. what 5 or 6 times a year maybe? Against everyone else he's a huge part of why we fail, he has no effect on the game going forwards, while Ambro has saved our *** on many occasions.

This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: Oct 6 2008, 01:55 PM

Sad but true to some extent (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

@ jack, ON PAPER a striker like Boriello or Toni would be the ideal type of striker to play at the head of a smax tree. Pato if we play with right system can techinally play there but we can't launch ball at him hoping that he will do well playing with his back to goal. The same thing happened to Sheva against Genoa. Carlo is implementing a system that should be used if we had a classic target man up there. The only way this formation will work with either Pato or Sheva is if we play like we did in 04, with Sheva playing alone up there. Play the ball at his feet while he makes the runs or give him ball over the top that he can run onto, but not punt it up from defence and expect either him or Pato to try and lay it off or do something with their back to goal, it's basically useless.

@ kurt, Ambro imo is the one that holds the team back, other then his occasional haedded goal he really doesn't provide anything to the team. He passes far worse then Rino does especially when he's having a bad day, he fouls like no tommorrow, Rino makes his fair share of fouls too but nothing compared to Ambro. And in terms of efficiency at winning the ball and quickly laying it off to someone else instead of dilly-dallying on it far too long and losing it, Rino is 70% more effective then Ambro is.

And a small reminder, Ambro wasn't a regular in the team before the 06/07 season, it was always Rino, Pirlo and Seedorf in the midfield 3, and during that time we played some of our best football and won the most truphies playing that way. Even when playing the xmas tree it was always like this

Right! The through ball to the mobile striker thing. It was what Carlo's been talking about in the press conference as well. His two fantasistas couldn't do that...and he didn't have a striker (Borriello) who could deal with the aerial ball tactics.

At 70% fitness Sheva wasn't good to start. Neither was Pippo. Carlo did what was available to him, except for Mattie of course.

So once the Ka-Pa-Ro was neutralised, we weren't really gonna score, and we didn't have much more options. Punting it from defence? Sounds like that's coz the Brazillian trident were muted. Now, we can blame it on Carlo if we like. But I think the two golden ball winners shouldn't find man-marking by Cagliari too difficult to break. Just my two cents. I'm not passing judgement. It's just that all the reports I've read and opinions I've heard, seemed to indicate the Brazillians had a bad match, once again forcing our mid-fielders out of their comfort zone into punting the ball up.



Ambro wasn't a regular, coz he was at that point of time worse than Emerson fitness-wise. It was one of the reasons Rino was brought in. I still think he's a top class DM, maybe better than Rino. It's when his job description demands more of him than just breaking up plays, that he struggles. Rino on the other hand would never be asked to do anything other than run around like a mad bull. He's humble enough to admit that's all he can do. Ambro's an angel, he couldn't say no if he tried. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

This post has been edited by Jack Sparrow: Oct 6 2008, 02:53 PM

He has got many awfull injuries in the past, but he played in starting lineup from Albertini's time if I remember exactly.


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When we used to play this way?

I only remember
--------------Pirlo----------------
--Rino-----------------Seedorf--
--------------Kaka'---------------
------Pippo-----------Scheva----

Ambro was injuried about whole season.