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 Aug 14 2008, 04:34 PM
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Giovanissimi Regionali B  Group: Full Members Posts: 1,198 Joined: 5-August 08 Member No.: 4,011  |
QUOTE (Portikins @ Aug 14 2008, 03:15 PM)  No mather how good you are. EPL makes you better. Well... overrated or not - nowadays - he is the best foward in the world. I don't agree with either statement. He's not the best forward in the world. Far from it. I can't say for certain who is the best right now... but I think in a few years Alexandre Pato will be far better than Torres. And in all practical senses, Fernando Torres DID NOT do well for most of the Euro Cup. David Villa did... Villa is a better forward than Torres. |
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Aug 14 2008, 04:38 PM
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Primavera  Group: Moderators Posts: 18,833 Joined: 5-April 06 From: Croatia, Zagreb Member No.: 1,564 |
QUOTE (Portikins @ Aug 14 2008, 05:15 PM) Everyone in the EPL is overrated. Rooney, Ronaldo, Scholes, Giggs, Gerrard, Lampard, Terry (!), Ferdinand, Vidic, Torres, Barry, Carragher, Carrick (!), Downing, etc etc etc. No mather how good you are. EPL makes you better. Funny to see that after the Inter-Liverpool last season, no one here called Torres overrated. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyhjLZ3F22Y Well... overrated or not - nowadays - he is the best foward in the world. Yes, this actually reminds me how Inter was overrated last season. |
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Aug 14 2008, 05:11 PM
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Berretti Group: Helpers Posts: 11,735 Joined: 5-September 05 From: Portland Member No.: 347 |
QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Aug 14 2008, 04:34 PM) And in all practical senses, Fernando Torres DID NOT do well for most of the Euro Cup. David Villa did... Villa is a better forward than Torres. Non sense. Silva did well in the Euro. Much better than Cristiano Ronaldo. That makes David Silva a better player? Why do you keep talking about the Euros... talk about the entire season of either player. Torres : 46 matches - 33 goals = 0,72 Villa : 40 - 22 goals = 0,55 Not to say that it was El Nino's first season in England. Oh, and that he broke Ruud van Nistelrooy's debut-season-in-EPL record. Not to say he's 3 years younger. Bad season for Valencia? It wasn't a good one for Liverpool too. This post has been edited by Portikins: Aug 14 2008, 05:12 PM |
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Aug 14 2008, 05:13 PM
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Berretti Group: Helpers Posts: 13,937 Joined: 26-February 08 From: Always Around Member No.: 3,736 |
Everything is over-rated guys. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) In one way or another. That's just how opinions and stats are. You have to everything in account of a player to rate him among others of his time.
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Aug 14 2008, 06:12 PM
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Primavera Group: Moderators Posts: 18,833 Joined: 5-April 06 From: Croatia, Zagreb Member No.: 1,564 |
IMO both had a very good season. There's not much more to say about it,..
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Aug 14 2008, 06:17 PM
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Giovanissimi Regionali B Group: Full Members Posts: 1,198 Joined: 5-August 08 Member No.: 4,011 |
QUOTE (Portikins @ Aug 14 2008, 05:11 PM) Non sense. Silva did well in the Euro. Much better than Cristiano Ronaldo. That makes David Silva a better player? Why do you keep talking about the Euros... talk about the entire season of either player. I keep talking about the Euros because it's relevant and a major tournament. Why do you insist on raising this overrated kid to the level of a god? Take Adebayor for example who scored tons of goals, but a lot of them were against teams like Derby County. Just like Torres. QUOTE Not to say that it was El Nino's first season in England. Oh, and that he broke Ruud van Nistelrooy's debut-season-in-EPL record. Not to say he's 3 years younger. Bad season for Valencia? It wasn't a good one for Liverpool too. Valencia had its struggles because of defensive issues... Marchena was of concern... |
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Aug 14 2008, 06:32 PM
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Token Girl Group: Moderators Posts: 12,435 Joined: 13-November 06 From: Washington, DC Member No.: 2,800 |
One cannot count just the league or just the Euros. One should take the entirety of play into account.
Overall, I'd say that yes, Torres is one of the better forwards in Europe. His goal/minutes ratio is high though he didn't explode at the Euros as many were expecting him to do. Villa is also very good and showed that at the Euros, though his club performances didn't necessarily show that this year. As for Valencia's issues, I would say that last year's fiasco was more to do with the disastrously poor coaching by Koeman than issues relating to any particular player or players. |
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Aug 14 2008, 06:37 PM
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Berretti Group: Helpers Posts: 11,735 Joined: 5-September 05 From: Portland Member No.: 347 |
QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Aug 14 2008, 06:17 PM) I keep talking about the Euros because it's relevant and a major tournament. Why do you insist on raising this overrated kid to the level of a god? Take Adebayor for example who scored tons of goals, but a lot of them were against teams like Derby County. Just like Torres. So? Van Basten didn't scored only against Juventus, or Inter. Talking about Torres as an "overrated kid" is just ridiculous. Spastic. |
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Aug 14 2008, 06:38 PM
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Giovanissimi Regionali B Group: Full Members Posts: 1,198 Joined: 5-August 08 Member No.: 4,011 |
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 14 2008, 06:32 PM) One cannot count just the league or just the Euros. One should take the entirety of play into account. Overall, I'd say that yes, Torres is one of the better forwards in Europe. His goal/minutes ratio is high though he didn't explode at the Euros as many were expecting him to do. Villa is also very good and showed that at the Euros, though his club performances didn't necessarily show that this year. As for Valencia's issues, I would say that last year's fiasco was more to do with the disastrously poor coaching by Koeman than issues relating to any particular player or players. In that case I would say Huntelaar or Mario Gomes are better than Torres... yet neither of them did well in the Euro Cup either. Portikins, you're raising him up way too high. This post has been edited by Giancarlo: Aug 14 2008, 06:40 PM |
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Aug 14 2008, 06:39 PM
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Token Girl Group: Moderators Posts: 12,435 Joined: 13-November 06 From: Washington, DC Member No.: 2,800 |
The fish doll might have to bite you for putting MVB in the same sentence with any other striker, Porty. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Aug 14 2008, 06:41 PM
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Berretti Group: Helpers Posts: 11,735 Joined: 5-September 05 From: Portland Member No.: 347 |
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 14 2008, 06:39 PM) The fish doll might have to bite you for putting MVB in the same sentence with any other striker, Porty. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) What if I said "I support Juventus in the CL this season", what would the fish doll do? No cookies, no bite, no nothing, right? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) |
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Aug 14 2008, 06:44 PM
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Token Girl Group: Moderators Posts: 12,435 Joined: 13-November 06 From: Washington, DC Member No.: 2,800 |
QUOTE (Portikins @ Aug 14 2008, 01:41 PM) What if I said "I support Juventus in the CL this season", what would the fish doll do? No cookies, no bite, no nothing, right? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) Nah, he'd probably glower a bit but wouldn't say much. He might suggest it's a smart tactic as progressing into the CL would keep the Zebras attention there and possibly divert 'em a bit from the league, but I don't think you'd have to be put into the piranha tank with R7. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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Aug 14 2008, 06:46 PM
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Berretti Group: Helpers Posts: 11,735 Joined: 5-September 05 From: Portland Member No.: 347 |
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 14 2008, 06:44 PM) Nah, he'd probably glower a bit but wouldn't say much. He might suggest it's a smart tactic as progressing into the CL would keep the Zebras attention there and possibly divert 'em a bit from the league, but I don't think you'd have to be put into the piranha tank with R7. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Oh OK. Nevermind. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) |
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Aug 14 2008, 06:48 PM
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Token Girl Group: Moderators Posts: 12,435 Joined: 13-November 06 From: Washington, DC Member No.: 2,800 |
(Unless you want him to get kinky? I didn't know you swung that way, Porty!)
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Aug 14 2008, 06:51 PM
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Berretti Group: Helpers Posts: 11,735 Joined: 5-September 05 From: Portland Member No.: 347 |
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 14 2008, 06:48 PM) (Unless you want him to get kinky? I didn't know you swung that way, Porty!) That's more for R7, dst and Jack. Definately. |
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