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Giancarlo
post Aug 13 2008, 04:29 AM
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QUOTE (jbryant1 @ Aug 13 2008, 03:02 AM) *
The only player on the team where is makes sense is Kaka. Seedorf is replaceable, I think there are better midfielders that could fill his position and do better for our squad.

The problem is that Milan will suffer in the game of modern football for their strategies. Bringing in brothers and sisters to fill the bench is not what the game is about. Its about getting the best 11 and best bench. The bench should represent the next line of great players to fill the gap or some veterans to fill in for a few minutes.

With Milan its a collection of brothers, the wounded, and senior citizens or the likes of great prospects like Gourcuff who don't get real play time and want to leave after a season


If you don't take the actions Milan did, you will face the same problems of Spanish teams, as mentioned Real Madrid. We will not be able to hold these player.s Seedorf is not replaceable in my eyes. At least not immediately. He brings depth.

How would we suffer? We aren't filling the bench with them. They rarely get the call up. We bought other players like Viudez and Cardacio. I don't see how your logic adds up though... we bought what? Six players under the age of 28? None of which have any injuries (besides Borriello who should recover soon enough). What senior citizens? We already sold Simic. Cafu and Serginho retired.

I don't get it. We buy like 6 young players, and you still think we're old. And who cares if we get Chedric Seedorf? He'll be loaned out. Big deal.
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post Aug 13 2008, 04:51 AM
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My problem with it has nothing to do with us wasting money or us "suffering", it's just the point of it which annoys me. Kaka' and Seedorf earn ridiculous amounts of money, they earn in a year more than I'll probably earn in a life time! Not only that, but they have a dream job! But oh, having tonnes of money and a superb job isn't enough to make them put 100% effort in, so we have to give money to their family too? Pathetic really.
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post Aug 13 2008, 05:29 AM
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It's a decision. And it doesn't affect the team composition in one bit. For all you know, Chedric might turn out to be a great coach who decides he owes big brother's club for giving him something to put in his resume.

His wages are probably minimal.

And as for Kaka being allowed but not Seedorf...that's B.S. You don't get too far, if you treat different players on your team differently. If Kaka gets the benefit, so should Seedorf. In a team of 11 players, it isn't fair to single out one or the other.

Seedorf probably asked it as a favour to the management, and they agreed. Nothing wrong in it. Sorry, I can't find anything to argue about. And I would never ever believe in the idea of a club as a ruthless machine, that buys and sells players like cattle on the basis of performance.

If Milan do that, I'll go back to Hull City thanks!

@Bluesummers: 1899% agree with your point about Madrid.
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 13 2008, 04:51 AM) *
My problem with it has nothing to do with us wasting money or us "suffering", it's just the point of it which annoys me. Kaka' and Seedorf earn ridiculous amounts of money, they earn in a year more than I'll probably earn in a life time! Not only that, but they have a dream job! But oh, having tonnes of money and a superb job isn't enough to make them put 100% effort in, so we have to give money to their family too? Pathetic really.


Not if the wages for these players are very quite small... if I had a business and chose to hire family members, that's my decision.

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post Aug 13 2008, 06:00 AM
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I already said there wages don't matter, it's the principle. Kaka' and Seedorf have the incentive of earning £ms a year, we shouldn't ned to bring their brothers to the club in order to perform well.
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post Aug 13 2008, 07:10 AM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 12 2008, 11:00 PM) *
I already said there wages don't matter, it's the principle. Kaka' and Seedorf have the incentive of earning £ms a year, we shouldn't ned to bring their brothers to the club in order to perform well.


but is it really also fair that their privacy is invaded by papparrazi. That they virtually can't do anything without the world knowing about it. That if one week they don't play well they can't even walk in the city without being boo'd. I think the money they are paid is justified. They are paid to be soccer players not heroes and celebrities forced to do extra activities. Money will never ever create motivation for better work rate in any job in the world. Its the personal security and the little nic nacks that make people keep their jobs for years. Why is fergie with united when he could be getting paid more money at madrid. Why is a person working at Macdonald's when he could be a security guard and earn a few hundred more?

If chedric keeps seedorf happy and makes his daily life more enjoyable because he has family at the club he loves he will feel compelled to work harder and his motivation will be kept to try to perform like a worldclass player when he could easily sit on his @$$ and finish his contract and their is nothing we could do about it. I would rather pay 5k a week and keep seedorf happy then piss him off and waste a 100k a week.

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post Aug 13 2008, 07:39 AM
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I disagree with the money thing. It is the main motivation. Why else does Kaka' want a stupid contract where he's on about £4m a year? If money wasn't the motivation, why not settle for £1m a year? Then he saves the club a whole lot of money too.

But it's still missing the point. It is NOT about the money. WHy the hell does Seedorfs brother deserve to have an easy live, just because Seedorf is too damn lazy to play properly? It's insane! Shall I go into work and tell my boss to hire my brother just because I'll work better? He'll tell me to F off!
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post Aug 13 2008, 07:59 AM
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If you were in the top 7 employees of your company, and have for some years running, played a crucial recognised part in the company constantly over-achieving its targets...and then you go tell your boss, that your brother be hired as an 'intern', so he can get a leg up in the corporate world- if your boss tells you to F off, then I think you need a better boss.

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post Aug 13 2008, 08:11 AM
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There we go then Jack. IF I was one of the top workers. Why is it that Kaka' and Seedorfs brothers should get jobs (on what I'm sure will be a contract to give them an easy living) just because there brothers are 'stars'. That's what I see wrong with it, they get paid more because the'yre better, it doesn't mean they should have extra things like family members joining the squad because of it though, each player should be treated even in that respect.
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post Aug 13 2008, 08:58 AM
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Possibly Kaka and Seedorf asked if it could be done? And also Milan don't believe in keeping it an employee-employer relationship. If it had been so, Kaka would have left for Madrid last season. Just like Cristiano Ronaldo wants to leave Manchester United.
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post Aug 13 2008, 10:54 AM
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Too much noise for something not so important in my opinion. Not worth it...
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post Aug 13 2008, 11:20 AM
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^ He's back! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
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post Aug 13 2008, 11:59 AM
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Things like this happen in all places all the time. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) From football clubs to Hollywood flicks. Nothing to be surprised of, really. Is it a good thing? Probably no. But gotta live with it.
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post Aug 13 2008, 12:05 PM
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I wish my brother would be a top footballer... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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That would be pointless, unless you were an average footballer. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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