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post Sep 23 2007, 10:49 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 23 2007, 11:43 PM)
Well, with results as they are at the moment, he couldn't make things worse.  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Still, we can't play with both Pippo and Gila and it's no-brainer who from them should get the nod.

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post Sep 23 2007, 10:56 PM
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QUOTE (mishale @ Sep 23 2007, 09:49 PM)
Still, we can't play with both Pippo and Gila and it's no-brainer who from them should get the nod.
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Which I think shows Gila has been made a bit of a scape goat this season. Pippo hasn't scored a league goal for us yet, and only had 2 in some 20 games last year. He's even more unproductive than Gila in the league.
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post Sep 23 2007, 11:09 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 23 2007, 11:56 PM)
Which I think shows Gila has been made a bit of a scape goat this season. Pippo hasn't scored a league goal for us yet, and only had 2 in some 20 games last year. He's even more unproductive than Gila in the league.
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And still he's above Gila on the picking order and that's tell you something about Gila (And again Pippo is 34 and Gila should be in his prime). The last thing you can say about Gila that he's not getting enough playing time. He played way more than Pippo in the league not only this season, but last season as well. (and please don't make me to compre between them again link).

Who would your pick to score between them if you life depends on it? You'll pick Gila only if you are suicidal (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Sep 23 2007, 11:16 PM
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QUOTE (mishale @ Sep 23 2007, 10:09 PM)
And still he's above Gila on the picking order and that's tell you something about Gila (And again Pippo is 34 and Gila should be in his prime). The last thing you can say about Gila that he's not getting enough playing time. He played way more than Pippo in the league not only this season, but last season as well. (and please don't make me to compre between them again link).

Who would your pick to score between them if you life depends on it? You'll pick Gila only if you are suicidal (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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If you say so, no point in getting into it, the fact are that Gila's Milan record is better than Pippo's, and that's that.

Strikers usually hit their prime in their very late 20s anyways.
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post Sep 23 2007, 11:44 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 24 2007, 12:16 AM)
If you say so, no point in getting into it, the fact are that Gila's Milan record is better than Pippo's, and that's that.

Strikers usually hit their prime in their very late 20s anyways.
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Pippo in Milan 84 goals in 193 games
Pippo's first two seasons in Milan 46 goals in 77 games
Gila so far in Milan 35 goals in 96 games

Now, please explain how 35 goals in 96 games is better than 46 goals in 77 games? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

And even if they were better, it's only stats and for the numerous time, don't tell the whole story in this case. You can't base things only on stats.

No, usually in the mid 20s.

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post Sep 23 2007, 11:47 PM
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perhaps chaps this discussion should be in the Gila thread, and we can get back to the Palermo game..cheers (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Sep 24 2007, 12:39 AM
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Last year's Palermo-Milan fixture was a 0-0 draw. (Kaka missed a penalty).

Let's hope we can do better this year. It'll be a challenging match - Palermo has a good attack.
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post Sep 24 2007, 12:39 AM
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QUOTE (mishale @ Sep 23 2007, 10:44 PM)
Pippo in Milan 84 goals in 193 games
Pippo's first two seasons in Milan 46 goals in 77 games
Gila so far in Milan 35 goals in 96 games

Now, please explain how 35 goals in 96 games is better than 46 goals in 77 games? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

And even if they were better, it's only stats and for the numerous time, don't tell the whole story in this case. You can't base things only on stats.
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In my opinion your stats are off, from what I have, Gila is much better.

Stats do not tell the whole story, but ultimately, goals are stats, theyre also ALL that matters.

Anyways.. Away to Palermo, with our form, I don't see a win at all. But when we expect Milan not to win, they come out and own the opponents. I dunno what to think!
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post Sep 24 2007, 01:03 AM
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Another draw cuz we're not good enough - _-
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post Sep 24 2007, 01:07 AM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 24 2007, 01:39 AM)
In my opinion your stats are off, from what I have, Gila is much better.

Stats do not tell the whole story, but ultimately, goals are stats, theyre also ALL that matters.
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You are welcome to check them. This combining all the competitions. People, for obvious reason, love to forget the european stats.

C'mon Kurt. On the one hand you have 25 y,o striker with mentall problems who never scores in big games, is zero in europe and seems lost on the field. On the other hand you have 34 y.o striker who's best years are behind him but still scores in big games and always determined. The sad thing that even now, at 34, Pippo is picked before Gila. If they were in the same age there wouldn't be a question at all. And even statistically Pippo is a lot better. You have to let you eyes to judge.
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post Sep 24 2007, 01:23 AM
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If you're going on ability, then it has to be Gila. I believe it was Yohan Cruyff that said Pippo is an awful player, he's just always in the right place, so you can't talk about ability.

Gila just needs games!

By the way, be happy you've got Gila and not someone like Tevez, he's only scored 1 goal in 8 fixed games!
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post Sep 24 2007, 01:34 AM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 24 2007, 02:23 AM)
If you're going on ability, then it has to be Gila. I believe it was Yohan Cruyff that said Pippo is an awful player, he's just always in the right place, so  you can't talk about ability.

Gila just needs games!

By the way, be happy you've got Gila and not someone like Tevez, he's only scored 1 goal in 8 fixed games!
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Abillity to score goals and not to let the pressure get to you!!

Do you watch Milan in Serie A ? He got/get more than enough. In other big team he'd have been sold long time ago.

Tevez is a forward, SS and not box striker. And I bet, still, would score more than Gila.
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post Sep 24 2007, 01:42 AM
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I know Gila's had his chances, but you can't just get rid of him after a bad year. Sheva had one hell of a bad year, but we kept him!

P.S. Gila hasn't had a bad year yet in my view. 2 full seasons, 2 seasons where his league goals has reached double figures.

This has to stop anyways, we both know we aren't going to change each others mind on this, it's the way we are. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Sep 24 2007, 01:53 AM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 24 2007, 02:42 AM)
I know Gila's had his chances, but you can't just get rid of him after a bad year. Sheva had one hell of a bad year, but we kept him!

P.S. Gila hasn't had a bad year yet in my view. 2 full seasons, 2 seasons where his league goals has reached double figures.

This has to stop anyways, we both know we aren't going to change each others mind on this, it's the way we are.  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Both Gila's years has been bad, cuz it's not only goals!! Why do you think people critisize him, fans booing him and we have been discussing it since he came. Is it by accident 90% of people here think that he's a flop? If he's so good why Carlo don't pick him for important games or he didn't checked his stats? I think, because you don't see most of the Serie A games, you can understand the level of frustration Gila causes to the fans.

Sold him? He can stay as a sub because he's sure not milane first 11 quality. But because he wants firs team footbal he will be sold in the summer IMO.

Sheva had one bad year after 3 good years and before another good 3.
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post Sep 24 2007, 01:54 AM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 24 2007, 03:42 AM)
I know Gila's had his chances, but you can't just get rid of him after a bad year. Sheva had one hell of a bad year, but we kept him!

P.S. Gila hasn't had a bad year yet in my view. 2 full seasons, 2 seasons where his league goals has reached double figures.

This has to stop anyways, we both know we aren't going to change each others mind on this, it's the way we are.  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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It's not about changing his mind or changing ur mind ... Misha is used to strikers who deliver for Milan, as I am, as several others. Sure u can be sentimental and lean back on stats that say he scored 17gls in his first season for us.

But what is 17 gls a season for a team like Milan ?! We might as well should have kept JDT or Comandini for that average. They both did better than Gilardino, till the day they left the club. But u see here we are down classing Gila to strikers like JDT and Comandini, when he was bought for the sole purpose of being a first team player. It really is a shame that he hasn't lived up to the hype/expectations, that is all ..

Ohh well, it happened before Gigi Lentini anyone (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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