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Jul 18 2021, 08:33 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 18 2021, 07:43 PM) Did we get 3m for Olzer? Wasn't he part of the Tonali deal? Yes, but he was valued 3M, hence why Tonali's price was lowered from 10M to 7M. QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 18 2021, 07:46 PM) Really good. Nice to see the club producing decent content. They should also make these types of vids in English imo.
Btw, did any of you watch the friendly yesterday? I know it was just a Serie C side but Pobega was impressive. And going by the rumours that Italiano wants him at Fiorentina now after having him at Spezia, it's clear that's he's been impressing coaches and other technical staff
So do you think we should keep him? I'd personally prefer to keep him over Krunic and give him the minutes. Krunic should really be sold this summer. Didn't watch the game, but yeah, I also think we should keep him.
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Jul 19 2021, 10:16 AM
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Could be another Locatelli. I think we should keep him and give him a more serious try.
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Jul 19 2021, 08:30 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 19 2021, 06:47 PM) Official: Brahim has taken #10. Not too fond of that decision. Doesn't really matter though. A number is just that. #10 was occupied by players like Prince and Honda in the recent past and Hakan is not exactly a star player either. I'm happy with this deal though. Really like Brahim, I think he's got immense potential and with a whole Serie A season under his belt I'm expecting even more this season
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Jul 19 2021, 08:32 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 19 2021, 10:16 AM) Could be another Locatelli. I think we should keep him and give him a more serious try. Agreed. I don't want to see us repeating the same mistakes. Locatelli was a a very particular case though. It happened between ownership transitions as well. I still don't see where he'd fit into our first 11 though. But that 40m would be sweet for us right about now...
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Jul 20 2021, 11:35 AM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 19 2021, 10:30 PM) Doesn't really matter though. A number is just that. #10 was occupied by players like Prince and Honda in the recent past and Hakan is not exactly a star player either.
I'm happy with this deal though. Really like Brahim, I think he's got immense potential and with a whole Serie A season under his belt I'm expecting even more this season Yet, if you look at Hakan's stats it's all but what you said: Boban (91-01) - 251 apps, 30 goals, 35 assists Rui Costa (01-06) - 192 apps, 11 goals, 47 assists Seedorf (06-12) - 241 apps, 40 goals, 40 assists Boateng (12-14) - 39 apps, 5 goals, 7 assists Honda (14-17) - 92 apps, 11 goals, 16 assists Hakan (17-21) - 172 apps, 32 goals, 48 assists This of course is why stats don't tell you the whole story, but anyway. I think Hakan was a very good player and did well for us. QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 19 2021, 10:32 PM) Agreed. I don't want to see us repeating the same mistakes. Locatelli was a a very particular case though. It happened between ownership transitions as well. I still don't see where he'd fit into our first 11 though. But that 40m would be sweet for us right about now... Very much the same is happening here bar the change of management. Pobega does not ideally fit into our system of play, just like Locatelli. QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 19 2021, 10:47 PM) #10 is about the only number that matters in football, and it should be given to a starter. I'm sure Diaz will start the season as a first XI pick, and will then slowly (or rapidly) fade back to a bench player. But shirt numbers are really just shirt numbers.
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Jul 20 2021, 11:37 AM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 20 2021, 01:29 PM) Here's a question: if we could sign only one player between AM and RW, would you guys prefer:
AM Brahim and RW new quality signing
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AM new quality signing and RW Saelemaekers? Look we managed to get 2nd last season with only Alexis. I think Diaz is inadequate and will get destroyed by stronger and physically demanding opposition. So the answer to your question is for me undiskutable - we need an AM first.
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Jul 20 2021, 12:33 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 20 2021, 11:37 AM) Look we managed to get 2nd last season with only Alexis.
I think Diaz is inadequate and will get destroyed by stronger and physically demanding opposition. So the answer to your question is for me undiskutable - we need an AM first. I agree with your assessment of Diaz. He's a great utility player to have around, but he can't be our starting AM. However, I feel the same way about Saelemaekers. Hence, why we need both an AM and a RW. But insofar, Maldini seems to have abandoned the RW necessity altogether. The newspapers don't talk about it either. I swear, if we start next season again with Alexis and Barbie, it's going to be a massive disappointment.
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Jul 20 2021, 12:42 PM
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Yes, agreed. But I think it will happen, just that we need to offload some players first.
Also, for the sole system Pioli deploys, the AM position is more crucial.
And yesterday we got linked with Insigne again. Whereas Vla?ić is versatile enough to play both AM and RW.
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Jul 20 2021, 12:46 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 20 2021, 11:35 AM) Yet, if you look at Hakan's stats it's all but what you said: Boban (91-01) - 251 apps, 30 goals, 35 assists Rui Costa (01-06) - 192 apps, 11 goals, 47 assists Seedorf (06-12) - 241 apps, 40 goals, 40 assists Boateng (12-14) - 39 apps, 5 goals, 7 assists Honda (14-17) - 92 apps, 11 goals, 16 assists Hakan (17-21) - 172 apps, 32 goals, 48 assists Can't believe the traitor has more assists than Rui Costa. But a lot of those came from corners and free kicks, like last season. Out of his 10 assists, 6 or 7 came from stopped play.
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Jul 20 2021, 01:22 PM
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He was a brutal force from free kicks (well, we can't remember now if maybe Rui or Boban made the same amount of assists from dead balls) and that makes me worry. We scored so many important goals from corners and set pieces.
But yes, the stats really shocked me.
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Jul 20 2021, 04:58 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 20 2021, 11:29 AM) Here's a question: if we could sign only one player between AM and RW, would you guys prefer:
AM Brahim and RW new quality signing
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AM new quality signing and RW Saelemaekers? AM all the way imo The AM is crucial to our system. And it has to be someone like Vlasic or Sabitzer. It cannot be a James type imo QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 20 2021, 11:35 AM) Yet, if you look at Hakan's stats it's all but what you said: Boban (91-01) - 251 apps, 30 goals, 35 assists Rui Costa (01-06) - 192 apps, 11 goals, 47 assists Seedorf (06-12) - 241 apps, 40 goals, 40 assists Boateng (12-14) - 39 apps, 5 goals, 7 assists Honda (14-17) - 92 apps, 11 goals, 16 assists Hakan (17-21) - 172 apps, 32 goals, 48 assists
This of course is why stats don't tell you the whole story, but anyway. I think Hakan was a very good player and did well for us.
Very much the same is happening here bar the change of management. Pobega does not ideally fit into our system of play, just like Locatelli.
I'm sure Diaz will start the season as a first XI pick, and will then slowly (or rapidly) fade back to a bench player.
But shirt numbers are really just shirt numbers. Well I know how crucial Hakan was. That's why I was advocating for us to keep him. But over all, you have to admit that he has been mostly disappointing throughout his time with us. And it's clear he wanted to leave because he did not feel wanted enough at Milan. So that's that. As x-off mentioned, most of his assists were coming in from dead ball situations. And we need to try to replace that is some way next season because no one is as good as he was in those situations
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Jul 20 2021, 05:20 PM
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Despite everything, I'm happy Hakan left. I never really valued him. His inconsistency and inability to step up in big games were big negatives. His vision was mediocre, his passing was just OK, his dribbling ability was pitiful.
Yes, I know his stats were great, and I know it opened up a big hole for us to fill, but maybe that's all for the better cos we're obligated to sign a quality replacement now.
In other news, I heard we've made an official offer of about 6-7 for Kaio Jorge to get him immediately. I hope we get him.
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