Well where do I start with that half.

First off I stand 100000% corrected on Armero. If he doesn't play in a Milan shirt again it'll be too soon. He's been disastrous. He's so weak, clumsy, out of position, and reckless.

Then there's Bonera. Well Pippo, you selected the f*cker, what a surprise he screws up at the back again.

Defence is ghastly. Absolutely ghastly. CB's can't do all the work themselves and they too are struggling with this rubbish.

Midfield hasn't been able to play, to their credit Genoa have blocked out much of the effort from our middle.

And Menez passed the ball willingly once in that half. He is a greedy c*nt.

Commentators here were praising the blood and thunder nature of it. It was very open ended. But yes, zero quality.

Also...WHY THE F*CK does Honda continue to take corners. He is absolutely scunneringly dire at them. Can't deliver a dead ball to save his life.

He made the error of trying to volley it clear. Usually he has no fear putting his head where it hurts but he wimped out here.

Meh, I though Armero was okay and made 2 very important challenges that saved our behinds

That being said, the FB positions (both sides) are very weak and they're putting extra pressure on our CBs.

Genoa are a very aggressive team. That being said they're rushing and making just as many mistakes as us. Only lucky thing for them is that Bonera plays for us not them

I like the midfield trio, but again, Genoa are pressing so much that we really can't put our foot on the ball and we're being forced to rush which equals more mistakes, thankfully neither Muntari or Essien are in there because I can't imagine the amount of times they'd be pushed off the ball because of their extra slow nature and the amount of bad passes they make when under pressure.

I'm just so p!ssed at Menez, don't even get me started


I think Monto took some of them as well. We just don't use those corners properly, no matter who's taking the kick

Sure the commentators would think it's a great game because it's fast paced, but in reality it a messy rushed game with a lot of mistakes from both sides being made because of said rushing

I seriously don't even know why he was even trying to go in with his foot so high there anyway, it makes no sense to try to kick it in that situation

He's just a total and completely liability

NOW it decides to start raining heavily! Have to switch over to a stream, anyone got any good links? My sat keeps freezing because of the rain

We're so bad, even worse than the 1st half

This game has been embarrassing on so many levels I don't even know where o start

Just plain embarrassing

What can I say? Very frustrating match. Change is needed on every level.

Told you I was justified in not watching this season.

I mean come on, f****** NIANG

Armero? Completely lost in terms of position, clumsy passing, almost assisted a sure goal that Bonera managed to deflect from the line. Both are terrible.


Yes. But sadly, we don't have many other options.


Han sorry, but you left me speechless here. You like the midfield trio and speak about Muntari and Essien? So you managed to criticize them even if they weren't fielded? Oh come on! How was our midfield good? Sure, the system didn't work against Genoa especially, but then on a more general level Monto and Bona failed completely.


You mean the guy that actually tried something? Yes, selfish. Yes, over dribbling. But hey, at least he's doing something and creates chances out of nothing. What did SES do other then act the occasional fullback? Or poor Honda?


Agreed.

And Mexes once again with his dirty side. So many times I'm ashamed of him and Milan in general.

I was actually pleased to see him. At least he offers width and pace, and works hard.

I'm done with Pippo. He's been a disaster. He cannot enforce an identity on this Milan, and just keeps changing everything.

After almost 5 months he still doesn't know his best team, and he still won't start players he just doesn't like. In his credit Armero really is utter crap, but that aside, how he can put out a team with De Jong, Bona, Monto, SES, Menez, and Honda and produce a display as poor as that is down to him and him alone.

His ideas are stale, his substitutions are overall comical (why bring on a poacher like Pazzo when we're NOT MAKING ANY CHANCES IN THE FIRST PLACE PIPPO?!) and his constant rotation of defence has led to this mess now.

Ratings:

Lopez: 5 Weak on the goal, had no understanding with his defence.

Armero: 4 OK on the flank going forward but as a defender ghastly. Out of position, weak, and took massive risks. Poor concentration.

Bonera: 4 Liable for the goal, and did nothing as an attacking threat. But then, Pippo picked him.

Mexes: 6 struggled with his temper, lucky not to see red. Defended decently enough, but makes horrible judgment calls. Crazy sliding tackle in Genoa half? Really?

Rami: 5 ALRIGHT - beaten all ends up for the yellow, but did ok in defence otherwise. Problem is while he's actually good on the ball, he's not good at raw defending. Isn't a presence.

Monto: 3 Utterly invisible - had no impact on any level apart from one nice piece of skill to setup SES.

De Jong: 5 Horrible to say it but he's struggling now - he doesn't break up play like he used to, and seems increasingly lost this season.

Bona: 6 Worked hard and did pose some attacking quality. Not much, but some. Had a couple of half to good chances.

Honda: 3 Abysmal. His run of shittery goes on.

Menez: 5 Attacking flair in the first half, selfish. But did nothing in the second.

SES: 4 Just the usual let down that he is.

Subs:

Poli: 3 Even he actually looked poor today, despite usually being reliable.

Pazzo: 0 Pointless. Didn't even touch the ball.

Niang: 2 Made some late runs and did try to get involved but too late for a major impact.

Pippo: 3

He's turning into such a failure as a manager. What a wet Milan he's produced. A weak, feeble, timid piece of shite.

Meh, I've said he's not a defender from the start, but he did make those 2 good challenges which had he not made we would have been in trouble because the Genoa player would have been clear through on both occasions

I'm not saying he was good, he's wasn't even half decent imo, but at least he was slightly useful on those occasions

Bonera cleared on the line sure, but the goal we conceded was totally his fault.


Not until Abate and DS are back at least...

Btw, does anyone know what's actually wrong with abate? He's been out for a month now with no projection on when he could be coming back, and we seriously need him, desperately.


The midfield trio we had today would have been ideal for any situation imo, however, Genoa were playing a VERY aggressive game and only let up in the final 10 minutes or so in the game. I think it was a mistake to start with Monto who is obviously not fully fit so to start with him was stupid imo. Van ginkel did well last week, so why drop him? Don't forget we had De Jong as well who was coming off a long lay off as well, so that's 2 players in our midfield who didn't look all that comfortable on the pitch today, especially with the aggressive way Genoa were playing.

Essien and Muntari are both perpetually slow, had either one of them been playing our midfield would have struggled even more than it did today. Simple as that


Tried something? I'm sorry but being selfish is not trying for the team, it's trying for yourself, and this is a team game. There were at least 2 or 3 occasions where he could have passed to a wide open player (SES twice and Monto another) and he didn't. He either chose to shoot himself, or over-dribble (let the occasion pass) and make a pass back out wide. I'm sorry but I cannot feel anything but p!ssed at him because he's just so frustrating. Also, there was an occasion when Honda was trying to close the defender down and he was making a gesture for Menez to do the same when Genoa were passing around in defence. menez just raised his hand at him in a "leave me alone" gesture.


Yeah, Mexes lost his head at one point. He's frustrated as F@ck and I can't blame him tbh. Do I wish that he would keep his cool more? Of course, but that's obviously not going to happen with him, he's always been this way

But funny you bring up Mexes, since what I was most ashamed of today was seeing our own players bickering between each other, no one wanting to take responsibility and trying to blame the other.

Pippo has said from day 1 that he wants these players motivated, that he wants them to fight for the shirt, that tactics would come later etc, etc

But what I'm seeing now is a complete lack of tactical plan or know-how from Pippo, add to that, there's no passion or team spirit, the players mostly just seem frustrated with themselves and each other

THIS!!

His subs are usually baffling and pointless.

Which subs would you suggest instead?

Bottom line, both were bad. The two challenges you mention didn't stick with me, but I believe you. He also made two very good crosses. But all in all not enough.


Agreed, Ginkel should have started. Not that I expect anything out of Montolivo; a bolder version of me would say it wasn't due to his injury or recoup, but it was a classic pale and anemic Monto showing.


Let's not discuss this any further. I agree, both are slow and clumsy, but anyway, they didn't play and are irrelevant here.


Yep, it's irritating. But sadly, he's our best player anyhow, or at least the only one who's capable of doing something classy.


Can't blame him? I do blame him, it's not necessary to get dirty and call for red. Cause that's what should have happened, he should have got the second yellow.


Why not bring up Mexes? The bickering is one thing, this another. Mexes is a brute and I can't stand such players as they were rarely affiliated with Milan. As for the disjointed group, yes. We lack a true leader.

New poll is here

I'd have changed the shape.

Put Honda behind SES in a 4-4-2 - put Menez on the right wing, have De Jong and Bona in the middle and Armero on the left wing.

Bonera out to LB, Rami out to RB and Mexes with Zaps in the middle.

4:3:3 is working poorly under this manager, as did 4:2:3:1.

We're a tepid, horrid mess but I wholeheartedly agree with your point about being ashamed of them all fighting among themselves. I don't care who it is, one argument between team mates is bad enough, but a bunch of them all shouting at each other and trying to alleviate blame is Pippo's Milan. Lack of leaders is leading to this mess.

It's even reduced normally our best player De Jong to mediocrity.

Didn't watch the game aside from a few minutes in the first half (which included the goal). I'm glad I didn't though. This Milan is a piece of shite. Inzaghi is worse than Allegri. He has absolutely no idea the heck he's doing. Clueless, clueless, clueless.

PS: Someone needs to seriously punch him in the face for all the times he's played Bonera. Moron.

F*ck sake X, stop fannying around and say what you REALLY think.

PS yes he is. Worse than Allegri. Allegri is a good football manager as hopefully some are seeing, unfortunately, at Juve. He did well with us too, till he lost his team. If the same happens at Juve and the whole team gets sold they'll go our way, no matter who manages them.

Given that's 3 bosses in a row who've struggled since Milan sold our best players, I think the dire playing squad plays a part in this.

However it's no excuse for the complete lack of heart in Pippo's Milan. By the very end, yes, Allegri's Milan struggled with endeavour too but Pippo's got to Sassuolo levels inside 4 or 5 months.

He's a shambles and I want a decent manager, and not the club being a cheapskate.

I've defended Pippo in the past as I wanted to be wrong about his appointment.

But, sadly, I was right. As I was about Seedorf.

Once more: GET US A SEASONED PRO MANAGER S/B BERLUSCONI. Spaletti or Prandelli will do for now. Someone who has experience of a big club and can be trusted.

Not a fucking rookie with his first day on the job. It worked with Sachhi and Capello. And Carlo to an extent.

But those days are gone and we need a real manager, not one on work experience.

/rant.

Nope, still not sold on Allegri at all, what he's doing at Juve is the fruits of another coach's labour, sorry, but it's true.

What I witnessed under Allegri here at Milan would never convince me that he's a good football manager. And getting stuck with 2 amateur coaches on the trot after him still doesn't make me feel sorry for wanting him out so badly that last year and a half of his reign with us

Of course Allegri's Juve would go down the toilet if he were to lose his best players, he just does not know how to build a team unit. What Conte did in his first season there was without some of their best performers of the past 2 and a half years. He took a team that finished 7th the season before and made them champions, Allegri would never be able to do that, he was the one who had the top class team with Thiago, Nesta, Ibra, Pato, Robinho, Seedorf, Abate, etc and lost the title to that very same Conte's Juve

Oh and Carlo led Juve to 2nd place twice while coaching them so he was no rookie, certainly not in the same way that Pippo and Seedorf are/were.

No it ain't

Is too

What I really think? Which is?

Last 7 games: 1 win, 4 draws, 2 losses. 7 points out of 21 possible. Things can't go on like this...

Sorry, I was being sarcastic. It's when someone gives a foul-mouthed angry rant and you jokily say 'so what's your REAL thoughts?' when quite clearly they just provided them.

I like this argument

The importance of a smiley in these circumstances is huge.

So, I missed nothing during all these years ?

Welcome back. And to answer your question, no you didn't. It's all about the direction, as I say. We're heading the wrong way, and this leaves nothing much to see for fans and general public alike.

Thank you I've not seen Milan play for months mabye years, I only checked the results from time to time and it seems like Milan is not consistent on their results at all. On the otherhand I won the SerieA with Milan playing Football Manager 2015, and they key to that I think it was terminating Bonera's contract which is what Milan should have done long time ago.

Nothing to it.


Disagreed. We're actually quite consistent in our results. It's another matter they've mostly been negative these past few years. Never recovered after the sale of Ibra and Silva. But really, the problems started a few seasons back, as I like to say. Lack of a plan is all.


Agreed. For some fleeting weeks I actually thought Bonera was good. Back in 2008.

Hahahaha yeah you can say that too, in long term observation.

Yup, always think long term.

You might be before my time (I joined in 09) but welcome back

I'll open the Napoli thread later today as I haven't had much time this week