You might want to quote anyone on here who did?



They're both nuts

Well, at least a match poll thread went past 50 posts. I'm going to name Mexès and Muntari top and flop every match from now on, regardless whether they play or not. For the sake of action!

Maybe on this particular forum people have been more demure in how they criticise Abate, just go the the R&B forum or xtratime when you have a chance and look at some of the comments made about him before this season, you'd think some of my Muntari criticism was mellow compared to how they talked about him

I'm not getting into the SES thing because I know how it will end with you and me, so I don't think it's worth it.

You think he's bad and won't amount to anything, I don't. In this case the argument is more subjective as we're both basing this all on what we think will happen in the future.

With Muntari it's completely different, we're not talking about someone who might finally actually be half decent in the future, we're talking about someone who repeats the same sh!t each week and people still find it in them to somehow overlook it and defend his place in the team while with SES or even DS people are jumping on their backs the minute they have dips in form.


I remember we were offered something like 10m for him and people were more than willing to see him go if we got that money. I'm not even going to try to search for these quotes as they're buried in the massive transfer thread of that particular summer

People were willing to take £10M including me as Seedorf refused to play him, so we gave up on him ever being selected and resigned to MDS on the right and whoever on the left. And 'might as well get money for Abate while we're at it' type thing.

Re: R&B etc I've never used any of the big Milan boards - too full of trolls, so I can only go by on what I've seen here, DM, and MM.

One last thing, you know how SES will go with you and I so why do you bother with Mexes and Muntari? It's not like they're any different

No, this was during the summer when Seedorf wasn't even Milan coach, Allegri was and Abate has always been a starter under Allegri

Be that as it may about the boards, on these small forums you only have a very small pool of people to really get a general opinion off of. With the bigger boards, yeah you have douchey people, but you do get a much larger number of people, thus a clearer image of what the general opinion is

As for Mexes/Muntari re: SES. I do think it's a completely different situation, because as I explained above, we're mostly trying to guess at what SES could do in the future imo, he's obviously not the finished product and whether he turns into a mediocre product or a great one is all up in the air, and any opinion on that is just guess work on our parts

However, with Mexes and Muntari things are much more black and white, at least for me they are.

With SES for example, I can more than agree that he just hasn't been good this past season and a half, he's struggling this season and spent nearly the entirety of the last one out injured. It's not what we expected after he broke through the first team 2 years ago. However I don't agree with how some of you guys keep getting on his back, and this started while he was out injured last season and people started getting p!ssed off at him because of the hair cut and the endorsement work he was doing.

Won't lie, I ain't sure I remember that one. Can't find any references to it. The only one I can remember was PSG for £10M.



Meh. I prefer a smaller sample of people whose views can be taken reasonably seriously, rather than a million trolls saying cr*p like sh*tlegri.



Not the finished product? He's 22 and by his age, and I hate to use this example, Balo knew what he was. Zlatan knew who/what he was. The great players know by very early 20s the kind of player they are and what they are. Iturbe is barely 21 and has excelled at Roma since he joined. He was great at HV and I made a huge mistake not wanting him. They've been careful not to overuse him but he's been excellent.

So don't use the age excuse which you're implying at by saying he's not the finished product. It's a cop out and you know it.



Not for me. I rate both on what I believe I see per match. If Mexes plays what I believe is a good match I say so. If Muntari stinks I say so. You don't seem able to criticise Mexes or praise Muntari.



No, I gave up on him by the end of 2012/2013. He was mince between that November and the following summer and that was enough of a flat patch to warrant skepticism. That we're sitting here November 2014 and he's still sh*t suggests he is never going to be the player you really want him to be.

Why shouldn't we get on his back? 24 months of poor displays and you expect him to be given room? Not a chance. If he shows up and plays a stormer my God I'll give him credit. But I am not going to sit here giving him chances after chances after yet more failures.

This was an offer CSKA made, before he switched over to Raiola, his previous agent also said that the move was close to being completed but fell through


Even if they are trolls, you can easily see who they value as players and who they don't. I'm not someone who frequents those forums either, just to be clear, but I do look into it from time to time to see what the general feel on X, Y or Z is


Zlatan at 22 was not the finished product, what do you mean he knew what he was? As in he knew he was a striker? Balo at 22 wasn't the finished product and he certainly isn't a finished product now. Heck, Cristiano wasn't a finished product by that age. Very few players reach that level at such a young age (ex: Messi, original Ronaldo)

If you're talking about the fact that SES is played as a winger, that's not really his fault, he hasn't had any proper coaching since he cam to Milan, the only stable coaching figure he had was Allegri. For me, he's not a winger, he's a striker, but the fact that he hasn't been allowed to even try playing in that position isn't his fault.


Name one game where Muntari was actually good and you could say with a straight face "great performance"

And Mexes has only played twice so far this season and both times you were sure he'd be diabolical, yet he wasn't. He was good vs Samp and was one of our best players against Inter.


This all goes back to the points I made above with regards to his age or his "identity" as a player.

Thing is, out of those 2 years, half and more was spent being injured or recuperating. All I wanted to say is, let's cut him some slack. He's one of the more talented and younger players we have around him, so I won't shout "he's just bad" yet. For that we have Muntari


Where? I never liked Flamini, but the guy was plagued with injuries and as soon as he managed to escape the vicious cycle he turned up for Milan and played actually good. So what's the example here? I really think we made a mistake by letting him go: he wasn't anything special and had a big salary, but he'd be surely better then both Essien and Muntari.


Yeah well, let's give him time, shall we? I don't get why you fall into these fix and petrified judgments already?



Now you see, I think people just like to construct this attitude problem. Where exactly did SES show attitude problems and where does his mentality offers especially negative examples? People don't like his hair: I agree. But what did he do other then that? Act in some commercials? Milan practically invented the thing with footballers starring.



Yes, it is a pattern. A pattern that shows patience and open-mindness. Nothing more, and certainly nothing negative there.