Inzaghi is a noob in the truest sense of the word. Predictably bad decisions.

Abbiati's kick outs are ridiculous, direct gift to Verona

Yep, he's done the extra defender + extra midfielder shtick to close the game out in basically each game now and it usually puts us under bigger pressure as it's one huge confusion

Marquez off

FT 3 points

All that matters.

But there's so much we need to improve on and so much that Pippo must learn

Yes, we were really lucky throughout the match. And, no one that convince that we don't have the quality to dominate this Verona in midfield. Instead, we left the defense exposed TOO many times. De Sciglio was terrible tonight, just terrible. No more excuses for him.

Honda putting out another solid performance, great job!

Very hit and miss game. Yes, we scored 3 goals, one of which was a gift, but Verona had way too many scoring opportunities. Honestly, they should have scored at least three goals. Our defensive maneuver is still as bad as it was on day one.

We played rather decently until we scored the 3rd goal, but afterwards we just switched off the engine and let Verona do as they pleased. Pippo and his noob-ish attempts at correcting this with his changes didn't help either.

Overall, I'm pleased with the result, but a lot of improvement is still necessary.

I don't think DS was bad at all, had a few iffy moments, sure but I think he's improving on his earlier showings in the season

The midfield was just awful, Essien and Muntari are so slow, having them both in there was just utterly foolish, add to that the constant passing mistakes, getting caught on the ball multiple times, running into their team mates like complete idiots and it was a comedy show out there. Poli once again is mostly all industry and no creativity.

The front 3 though were working so well, they were basically doing most of the work the midfield was supposed to be doing but couldn't. Torres and SES need to find their scoring boots but otherwise they both did well today. Honda is just on fire right now

Rami had a solid second half but thought he was 3rd worst player on the pitch in that first half. The others were all good, Abate deserves special praise as well as Alex who was a beast out there

Good: Honda (8), Abate (8), Abbiati (7), Poli (7), Alex (7)

Bad/meh: Essien (5) Muntari (5) MDS (5) Rami (5)

Invisible: Torres (3) El-Sha (4)

Pippo got this one spot on, despite that horrendous midfield. We played well, with freedom, and 3-0 wasn't flattering.

Unfortunately the subs were ghastly, especially making us go to a back 3 with the pitifully poor Bonera.

SES continues to be gash, assist aside, and Torres, goal V Empoli aside, has been a pathetic addition.

Honda is in electric form though, and has become our top performer this season, with Menez looking like he's starting to go off the boil.

Nah, he was cr*p.



Poli isn't creative, so don't criticise him for what he isn't.



Not IMO - both were shite. Honda and Abate were the main reason our attack looked good.



Alex is the best defender we have, but he needs the right partner. And for me that's Zapata.

You are right. But harping on and on how Muntari does this or that is slowly becoming tiresome to me. Everybody on this forum knows Muntari isn't Milan class, and almost everybody thinks he shouldn't play. But do we really have to repeat over and over again like "Carthago delenda est" - even in matches when his impact is peripheral (at least in first half)? I really don't think so.



I think this was a solid game in all aspects. Pippo made the last sub because even after his persistent calls for a wider formation and more possession (at least that's what I think made him look frustrated at times) the team caved in. He had no real sub for Muntari or Essien, so he moved Bonera in.

Sure, it wasn't the best of decisions but overall I'm very happy with this final results. Verona is a nightmare location for us.

I can't understand how you think this was a solid performance. After the 3rd goal we switched to neutral as Han put it, and Verona did as they pleased. We were just lucky not to concede more, people tend to neglect this very important factor.

Torres did a lot of work to keep us ticking over in attack, and SES was imo, one of our best performers, he did great off the ball work and recovered more balls than either Muntari or Essien, he provided an awesome assist and could have scored as well. How you can say he was invisible is beyond me.

I don't think Pippo got it all that spot on, we're lucky Verona were having an off day in front of goal and that Abbiati was having a good day because they could have easily out-scored us with the amount of clear cut chances they had, all while our midfield jogged around (Muntari and Essien, Poli always works hard) and let the Verona midfield put pressure on our defence.

Also, DS didn't look all that good because he was getting double teamed out there and thus crosses kept coming in from his side while Muntari did nothing to help him. Poli on the other side was helping out Abate much better since the wing play is what Verona rely most on to exploit Toni's aerial ability

Essien on the other hand kept getting caught on the ball right in front of our area because he takes a full 20 seconds real-time to get the ball out from under he feet and pass it.


Poli isn't a pure DM either, that was never what he was at Samp or even last season with us, it seems that now he's degenerated into this runner who mostly does the nitty gritty and moves the ball as quickly as possible as if he's afraid of it. But in a midfield that contains him, Muntari and Essien it still should be him that is a bit of a creative outlet that's able to do more than lay off a pass back to Essien or Abate. He certainly did more than that last season and when he was at Samp

SES could have had 2 assists today and Torres did a lot of work in attack to keep the ball moving imo. I thought both were good both in terms of pressing when we didn't have the ball and when we were on the attack. Calling either of them sh!t for that game is an over exaggeration imo, The only sh!t performances came from the dynamic duo in midfield, the others range from decent to great

And nah on Zapata, such a mistake prone player. If we're not counting Mexes than the guy that comes second to Alex has to be Rami

How can a 3-1 victory not be solid? What is it then, an ugly win? I don't think so. Yes, we caved in and let the opponent take control. But no real danger came, apart from that solo action that lead to a goal. Alex and Rami had most of the box situations under control.

Yes, we have a mentality problem. We drop off pace too quickly and seem to be unable to play the whole match on a higher note. But heck, this is what most of Italians team do when they lead with 2 or more.

I really wouldn't put this one on luck. It's got nothing to do with luck; Chievo was a lucky occurrence, but this? No, I'm pretty sure had this match had a third half, we'd still get out of it with all 3 points. Alex and Rami did a fine job, Abate his best - it was only Essien who lost strength and concentration, while MDS and Muntari made one worry. But is this was what Verona can do at their best...well, I really didn't feel any special danger.

You're making it sound like I was the only one who pointed out how awful Muntari was. But if you look through the posts, everyone who was posting while watching pointed out more than once, I even defended him once when someone (can't remember who) thought it was him that shoved SES off the ball and then lost it a second later when it was Essien who did it.

And no, people actually have the audacity to defend him and his inclusion no matter how negative it is to our game, so no we can't not mention how truly awful he is in every game because that is what he pushes us to do when he's more useful to the opposition than us in each game and still gets picked

Also, I've been just as critical of Essien today, why? Because he was equally as bad and deserved just as much criticism.

I'm seriously getting tired of this. Isn't the match thread here so we can discuss BOTH the negative and positive aspect of the game as well as the negative or positive performances from players? It's not my fault that the consistent negative performer throughout all our games has been Muntari, when Bonera was also playing he was getting just as much heat but no one seemed to be so sensitive to it

And I don't think it was a solid game, it was lucky more than anything else

As I said, we need to improve a lot more and Pippo has so much more to learn

Hah, what?? I don't want to say this, but did you even watch the game? Abbiati made two super saves in the first half, and in the second all kinds of crap happened in our area. Verona should have scored at least 2-3 other goals.

No, it wasn't an ugly win. Like I said, it was hit and miss. Despite our defensive deficiencies, we played well until we scored the 3rd goal. We were horrible afterwards. Even though we were winning by three goals, letting Verona do as they please is far from what a leading team should do.

Well I don't know what you guys expect?

After and alltime low, how do you guys imagine us starting over? Like Juventus does? Take a look at Serie A, pretty much every team beside the Zeman managed teams plus Juve and maybe Roma play the way we do. The run, hit and then sit back and try to calm the match down.

What was so lucky about this game? The fact that Abbiati did his best? Or that Alex almost completely annulled Toni's best strengths? And yes, for your information X-O, I watched the game.

You call this defending someone?



Come on, really.


I don't know man. Maybe it's me then. But I'm getting tired of all this Muntari repetition over and over again. Yes, match threads are like this, but I think most of us are now overdoing it. Commenting even the slightest mistakes he makes and taking advantage of him and the fact that he's an easy target.

Again, I'm not defending Muntari. I'm just saying it's pretty much useless, commenting the obvious details.

I don't care that we usually try to get ahead early and close shop, if that's what Pippo wants to do I'm fine with it. But closing shop is different to what we were doing today, which is to completely stop playing, invited Verona onto us and had they had a little bot more accuracy and had Abbiati not been so on his game this could have easily been a draw. The clear cut chances Verona created weren't something to shrug off so easily they had 2 other opportunities aside from the goal which were sure opportunities but were missed.

That is not closing up the game and running time down, that is living on the edge and tempting faith. We didn't just shift down a gear or two, we completely put it in neutral and let the game go as Verona pleased. That is not what most Italian sides do

Aside from that I'm really baffled with the changes Pippo made which created even more confusion and havoc in an already shaky defence and midfield.

Like I said, it's 3 points and they're what matter but there's still a lot that needs to be improved and still a lot more for Pippo to learn because as max pointed out earlier his substitutions screamed out noob in basically all of our games he does the extra mid + extra defender move which backfires.

Yes I do, it wasn't him that made the gaffe and I corrected the person because we don't want the forum to be too focused on Muntari...

And yes I totally hate him (as a player), cannot stand watching him start games for us as he's nothing but a disgrace to the shirt


I do it with all the players who do this because it's frustrating to watch supposed professionals make school yard mistakes. Watching Abbiati kick out right into the feet of an opposing player right in front of our penalty area for probably the 200th time in his career is frustrating, so I point it out, watching Essien take half an hour to get the ball out from under his feet before he attempts to pass it but loses it right in front of our area is frustrating, so I point it out and watching Muntari trying to assist the opposition in pretty much each game is frustrating for me as well, so I point it out.

Just because Muntari does it more often than most does not mean that we're overly obsessed with him, it means that's he's the one who's constantly making noticeable mistakes more often than the others, and we have to point them out because somehow this idiot is an automatic starter in this team which will never sit well with me

www.Muntari-anti-fan.com

Tedious.

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Muntari

Oooo, I think I'll start that forum... did you buy that domain Danny? I know you'd want it just as much as me

This is ridiculous. The whole discussion is. Let's forget it an move on.

Yes Fillipo, it's ridiculous, but in another way.

As Han said, every time someone makes a mistake, we point it out here. It's the match thread after all. Who makes the most mistakes? Muntari. That's why he gets mentioned the most. However, every time his name is thrown around, someone will eventually pop up and say how we're obsessed with him. No sweetheart, we're not obsessed with him. We just hate players who play like crap, and Muntari is one of those players. If Honda played like crap, he'd get mentioned too. But he doesn't play like crap, so we don't criticize him. It's simple logic.

Maybe you're the one obsessed with us criticizing Muntari...

I'm no fan of Muntari, but he's not our worst player based on the facts. If you want mistakes, and messes...the stats don't bear your view out over the past 6 matches.

For example, his pass accuracy is actually better than Abate's, Torres', and SES.

His interceptions number greater than MDS, Alex, and Bona, and SES.

Point is he's bad, but let's not be unfair and innaccurate about the context.

Would I start him or Essien, of course not. We have better players. But fact is you and Han have an obsession with Muntari and it's why match threads seem to be about him and little else now.

Stats mean nothing. Stats are for those who don't watch games. I have seen every single game and no stats in the world can tell me that Muntari is anything but a worthless dud.

He is one of the worst players we have, along with the various Agazzi, Bonera, Niang etc. but they don't play so you don't hear us complaining about them. We complained the heck out of Niang two seasons ago (I even included him in my worst Milan XI ever) and we "massacred" Bonera at the start of this season. However, Muntari has been the only one who's played nearly all games, so his name is mentioned more often than the others'. With him it's not an obsession, but a downright frustration.

You're comparing a midfielder's pass accuracy with that of 2 attackers and a FB, doesn't make much sense, compare it with the other mids like De Jong or Poli, in midfield most of the passes are simple ones either back to the defence or the guy running right next you, while in attack you're operating in tighter spaces, same goes with the FB position

I'll give you the interception thing, because he does tend to muscle his way in there but how many times have we seen him intercept and promptly lose it because he either makes a bad pass or holds onto the ball too long?

Yes, he's bad, and he shouldn't be starting, that's why we're focused on him because atm, Pippo imo is giving the starting spots to who deserves them (mostly) Muntari plays terribly each week and still gets to start each game bar 1 where it was impossible to play him again after the utter catastrophe that was his performance in the prior game vs Juve.

We're focused on him because in each game he makes mistakes that lead to goal scoring opportunities to our opponents. The facts are what I see with my eyes each week, and there is no one on the team who makes the kind of mistakes that he does, not unless Bonera is also on the field.

The fact that none of you want him starting, but seemingly don't mind him bumbling about our midfield is baffling to me. Either he brings positives to our game and he should be starting or he doesn't and shouldn't be starting. Defending him while still saying you wouldn't want him on the pitch for me just does not make any sense. When it was Bonera for example no one seemed to care that he was getting bashed in pretty much every other post, either people went along with it or didn't say anything about it. No major hoopla about being "obsessed" with him

Right, right and right some more.

Exactly.

Gee, like you were gonna disagree haha.

I'm done - tbh the problem is you're both, as Kurt put it, hogging every match thread with Muntari. And if you both just ignore stats based on 'what you see with your eyes' then that's basically the same as seeing what you want to see and ignoring facts.

Your call, but please stop talking about Muntari obsessively in these threads otherwise you'll be the only two left on this board chatting about Milan.

And I'm saying nothing more on this.

Is that a threat?

Hey, you'd miss me! We'd only have Lara Croft to talk about

I'm seriously, seriously sorry for starting this stupid argument. Let's just try focus on something else.

http://vimeo.com/109385537 - 7:31

Alright, I swear I'm not doing this on purpose. I was watching the highlights and I noticed, WTF is Muntari doing there? It's so comical.

On a positive note, we are up to 4th, one point away from Samp, and only 5 away from Juve.

He tried to anticipate the shot, incorrectly. You think you're being harsh? British commentators kept calling him Essien.

Welcome to the Interwebbies, my friend.

Awesome!

On another positive note, all our direct competitors are coached by idiots. Footballing idiots. Maybe the Inter and Napoli coaches can find their footing in the winter, but we've been lucky in this regard.

It's a terrible attempt at blocking the shot, anyway.

It could happen

The problem - imo - is people being over sensitive to Muntari and imo they're the ones that are obsessed with him and defending him

Because like me and x-off both said, no one minded when the same treatment was being heaped onto Bonera for example earlier in the season.

I personally treat everyone equally, if they f@ck up, I mention it, no matter who it is, the thread gets "hogged" by Muntari talk is because he's the one that's constantly f@cking up and it's not just me or x-off that mention said f@ck ups, which is why every other post in the thread seems to be about something idiotic Muntari has just done.

If people don't want to get into these consistent debates about Muntari then just ignore the venting that goes on in the match threads. It blows over quickly and we move on onto other topics, this usually gets drawn out because someone like you, kurt, or Jack feel the need to come in and defend him after the appalling performances we just saw, and speaking for myself I can't just let that go, because watching him is one huge frustration for me.

And if people leave here because of the talk about Muntari I really don't want to see what you'd do in another forum where the bashing goes beyond just his footballing skills.

Didn't defend him, just bored of you harping on about him.

Not criticizing Muntari in every game would be the same as not praising Cristiano Ronaldo in every game right now.

Then just ignore it, it would be a lot easier if you did

Well said x-off