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han2503
QUOTE (mishie @ Jul 27 2013, 08:12 PM) *
you've answered my question well, also proving my theory it's a business buy rather than a football buy

Personally I think it's both.

We absolutely need someone like him in our team, but he also comes with added business benefits.

Urby, Muntari, Antonini, Bonera all on the pitch together. Where's the face palm simile when you need it?
mishie
Valencia goal
TheOgre
Urby, de jong, and bonera all standing at the free kick... i might lose my lunch.
X-Offender
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 27 2013, 10:14 PM) *
Urby, Muntari, Antonini, Bonera all on the pitch together. Where's the face palm simile when you need it?


Well, it's a friendly, second half, what do you expect?
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 27 2013, 08:36 PM) *
Well, it's a friendly, second half, what do you expect?

Not talking about the changes specifically, just the general bleh of it all
TheOgre
Why did niang switch to 78? 19 is such a better number.
Bluesummers
I'm gonna say this right now. Cristante is going to become something special. Wow just wow.
han2503
QUOTE (TheOgre @ Jul 27 2013, 08:43 PM) *
Why did niang switch to 78? 19 is such a better number.

To be even more annoying than he already is most likely
han2503
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jul 27 2013, 08:44 PM) *
I'm gonna say this right now. Cristante is going to become something special. Wow just wow.

Yeah, he's looking great so far in this pre-season, hopefully he's given a good chance this season
TheOgre
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 27 2013, 02:44 PM) *
To be even more annoying than he already is most likely


+1 laugh.gif
Jack Bauer
QUOTE (TheOgre @ Jul 27 2013, 11:43 PM) *
Why did niang switch to 78? 19 is such a better number.

http://www.milanfan.com/forums/index.php?s...p=369323‬
Jack Bauer
Constant is very good today.
TheOgre
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Jul 27 2013, 02:49 PM) *
Constant is very good today.


+1

Very impressive today
Bluesummers
well I think gabriel deserves a shot. He's done well.

han2503
lol, this game feels like some strange alternate reality CL KO game
han2503
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jul 27 2013, 08:52 PM) *
well I think gabriel deserves a shot. He's done well.

He's a good shot stopper, but his decision making when coming out for high balls is pretty bad imo, there were 3 times when he got himself into a bit of a mess coming out to punch the ball
TheOgre
laugh.gif Fox soccer commentator just called zacc yepes and blamed it on substitutions.
mishie
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 27 2013, 09:53 PM) *
He's a good shot stopper, but his decision making when coming out for high balls is pretty bad imo, there were 3 times when he got himself into a bit of a mess coming out to punch the ball

that'll improve with both age and games, i believe he'll be the 1st choice keeper next season
mishie
dp sorry
servbot
It's almost as though we are trying to see if Valencia can score.
Bluesummers
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 27 2013, 02:53 PM) *
He's a good shot stopper, but his decision making when coming out for high balls is pretty bad imo, there were 3 times when he got himself into a bit of a mess coming out to punch the ball


I think his biggest problem is his initial step especially when going laterally. He lacks quickness.

He's Got to spent a lot of time doing plyometrics and other lateral movement drills. If he can speed up his lateral movement, that will elevate him to the next level.

Jack Bauer
So now we will play the winner of Chelsea - Inter game, though we have the Audi Cup beforehand.

http://internationalchampionscup.com/
mishie
Gabriel's saves

not to bad lateral movement rolleyes.gif
Bluesummers
QUOTE (mishie @ Jul 27 2013, 03:12 PM) *
Gabriel's saves

not to bad lateral movement rolleyes.gif

wow... thats not latteral movement..



Thats your reaction time and diving technique. He didn't have to take 1 or 2 steps and adjust his body before diving to make that save.


Lateral movement is the initial steps you take before you dive or when your going to save a 1 on 1; how quickly you can adjust your feet and body position move side to side etc. It also used when making those crazy saves you see casillas doing.

Lateral movement and quickness is an essential part of a goalkeepers toolkit.
mishie
right did you watch the video all the way through??? i'm talking about the 2nd save where the ball was crossed then headed back the way it came hence lateral movement across his goal...you have a nasty way of trying to embarrass people with your replies little man...stop it please you are the main reason why so many of us left this forum so have a little respect
Bluesummers
QUOTE (mishie @ Jul 27 2013, 03:35 PM) *
right did you watch the video all the way through??? i'm talking about the 2nd save where the ball was crossed then headed back the way it came hence lateral movement across his goal...you have a nasty way of trying to embarrass people with your replies little man...stop it please you are the main reason why so many of us left this forum so have a little respect

I don't think you understand what lateral movement is.

Here is a good example. You can see how Cassilas adjusts his body, takes quick short steps and then makes a diving save.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1HAjDrHx9U


And your blaming me because people on the forum left? laugh.gif laugh.gif yeah ok sure its all my fault, nothing to do with milan's decline over the last few years and people losing interest. All me laugh.gif laugh.gif

And you were the one who replied to my post, so yeah i'm gonna give you a reply and i'm gonna give you a harsh reply if you open your mouth without knowing what your talking about.

And in terms of respect? Respect is earned. What have you done that you deserve automatic respect. I give guys like Han and Jack and Filipo respect, at least they still stuck it out through the hard times and even if we dont' agree at times we still have good debates. Unlike yourself who rarely comes around and when they do they act like king tut.

Sorry bud, you don't get any respect from me.
Zed.D
I think people need to chilll the **** out.
Bluesummers
Really? After 7 years you go to the personal attacks?

Whats wrong? Daily life stressing you out brother? I know it can't be lateral movement thats got you so on edge.

So go ahead and vent if that makes you feel any better. Call me an egoistical piece of **** if that helps you.

I know milan has got us all on a little bit of an edge with the stupid **** that has been happening over the last few years but you know what I think we all gotta treat each other a little better. That goes to everyone here including myself. We've all known each other here for years and believe it or not we are like our own little family here at milanfan.com. smile.gif

So let me be the the first to say i'm sorry man, it wasn't my intention to sound like an asshole and If I did i'm sorry. If you wanna debate lateral movement lets do it in a positive and respectful way. smile.gif
mishie
sounds good to me! and i will follow you with a sincere apology to! yes we can discuss lateral movement all night but i'm sure that would be pretty boring wink.gif
Bluesummers
QUOTE (mishie @ Jul 27 2013, 04:33 PM) *
sounds good to me! and i will follow you with a sincere apology to! yes we can discuss lateral movement all night but i'm sure that would be pretty boring wink.gif

haha I agree smile.gif

Lets skip the lateral movement talk. king.gif
mishie
back to the game, decent result but the defence still is a worry and i feel without better players Juve, Napoli and Fiorentina will open the gap between us and them
X-Offender
So, I missed the second half, and I was watching the highlights... Boy, they really walked over us. The number of opportunities they had was crazy. Typical Milan.
KillerMax
QUOTE (mishie @ Jul 27 2013, 04:45 PM) *
back to the game, decent result but the defence still is a worry and i feel without better players Juve, Napoli and Fiorentina will open the gap between us and them


I know that seems pretty obvious as we look so shambolic doing it laugh.gif, but I think as strange as it may be, defense is our strongest point. The overall plan seems to be(same as last year) squeeze in the goals one way or another and then hold on to it with all the grit you can muster. I think it makes it really difficult for teams that don't attack as a unit and lack world class attackers.

Anyways, this system is hard to get used to for us AC Milan fans as we are used to seeing Milan take charge of situations instead of let the other team dictate. We even did that against small teams last season.

I actually believe the biggest worry is the lack of pure creativity. A couple players with that play-making genius.

Quick example that I have seen happen over and over again: We win the ball, Mexes passes to Muntari, Muntari passes to El Shaarway and In the final third he hits a wall of defenders so we start making wide passes instead of keeping the momentum to going forward. (You can put in different player names, it's the same scenario)
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (KillerMax @ Jul 28 2013, 04:20 AM) *
I know that seems pretty obvious as we look so shambolic doing it laugh.gif, but I think as strange as it may be, defense is our strongest point.

Agreed. It's also the only unit in the team that has remained the same from last season and will be playing the same system from last season too.
han2503
QUOTE (KillerMax @ Jul 28 2013, 03:20 AM) *
I know that seems pretty obvious as we look so shambolic doing it laugh.gif, but I think as strange as it may be, defense is our strongest point. The overall plan seems to be(same as last year) squeeze in the goals one way or another and then hold on to it with all the grit you can muster. I think it makes it really difficult for teams that don't attack as a unit and lack world class attackers.

Anyways, this system is hard to get used to for us AC Milan fans as we are used to seeing Milan take charge of situations instead of let the other team dictate. We even did that against small teams last season.

I actually believe the biggest worry is the lack of pure creativity. A couple players with that play-making genius.

Quick example that I have seen happen over and over again: We win the ball, Mexes passes to Muntari, Muntari passes to El Shaarway and In the final third he hits a wall of defenders so we start making wide passes instead of keeping the momentum to going forward. (You can put in different player names, it's the same scenario)

Agreed, with this.

First off we were playing with Bonera instead of Zapata, Antonini instead of Abate and Constant instead of DS, aside from Mexes that's the second string defensive line. It's not the defence that's the problem but the team as a whole. We just have no strategy when going forward, like you said, it's always the same thing, either pass up through the right side or the left side, get stuck, pass backwards or sideways, repeat. It's seriously tiring to watch this team play.

At least defensively we know how to grind it out (while living on the edge), but attacking wise it's either punt it to the CF or just try to give it to SES, see what he can do with it, our midfield is still just not good enough and this is the main reason why we suffer so much. In the second half when Poli and De Jong were taken off we literally fell apart, because those 2 are the only good players we have in midfield atm with Monto not being called up.

Also, the fact that we play with Prince as our "creative" outlet is just a huge problem, I really don't want to see him wasted for another season playing behind the strikers or on the wing, he needs to be in midfield.

Something else I noticed, especially when Robinho came off, we can't seem to keep our shape, once Urby came on for him we got back to a very wide 4-3-3 and we just lost the momentum we had at the beginning
Ry4n
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 28 2013, 02:02 PM) *
Also, the fact that we play with Prince as our "creative" outlet is just a huge problem, I really don't want to see him wasted for another season playing behind the strikers or on the wing, he needs to be in midfield.

This 100x
Jack Bauer
The Audi Cup game vs City starts in one hour.
han2503
Getting hammered 3-0 inside the first 30

Traore is just so shocking, it's really unbelievable how he managed to be picked out of all the players they could have signed. My biggest wish is to know who recommended that we sign him because that person deserves a swift kick
Jack Bauer
4:0 after 30 minures laugh.gif laugh.gif But we are fine as we are.
han2503
This is just so embarrassing!

Can we forfeit?
William405
5-1 Sharaawy
han2503
Nice goal SES
William405
Sharaawy 2
han2503
No 2 SES

Glad to see he's back in form at least
han2503
This is what I've been saying for a while now, SES looks great when he gets into forward areas instead of stuck out wide
William405
i have to say muntari hasn't looked half bad today..but yeah traore lol
William405
Petagna +1
han2503
Yeep! Petagna!

han2503
QUOTE (William405 @ Jul 31 2013, 05:58 PM) *
i have to say muntari hasn't looked half bad today..but yeah traore lol

Yeah Muntari looks good when on the ball so far.

But Traore...

I get the feeling Allegri is playing him in these frienlies because the management dictated it to try to find a buyer for him. The only problem is that him playing only lessens the possibility of being able to offload him. It's better that he stays a mystery
han2503
Scored more in 4 games than Niang has in 20...
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