han2503
Oct 22 2012, 03:01 PM
From the frying pan into the fire?
We'll see, but if we lose this one Galliani should be kicked out the door along with Allegri if he doesn't fire him. Inexcusable
X-Offender
Oct 22 2012, 03:27 PM
I'm very curious about what formation Allegri will field here.
CHU-LIP
Oct 22 2012, 03:33 PM
It's against all logic when Malaga doesn't win this.
Bluesummers
Oct 22 2012, 05:48 PM
You say isn’t it hard?
Battling guns, battling guns
You say isn’t it hard?
Battling guns, battling guns
X-Offender
Oct 22 2012, 07:44 PM
TMW hints that we might play like this:
GK
De Sciglio, Mexes/Zapata, Bonera, Antonini
De Jong, Ambrosini
Emanuelson, Montolivo, El Shaarawy
Pato/Bojan/Pazzini
Link
CHU-LIP
Oct 22 2012, 07:52 PM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 22 2012, 09:44 PM)

TMW hints that we might play like this:
GK
De Sciglio, Mexes/Zapata, Bonera, Antonini
De Jong, Ambrosini
Emanuelson, Montolivo, El Shaarawy
Pato/Bojan/Pazzini
Linkcould work
han2503
Oct 22 2012, 07:58 PM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 22 2012, 07:44 PM)

TMW hints that we might play like this:
GK
De Sciglio, Mexes/Zapata, Bonera, Antonini
De Jong, Ambrosini
Emanuelson, Montolivo, El Shaarawy
Pato/Bojan/Pazzini
LinkI really can't stand seeing Urby there. Move Bojan back instead of him and start Pato upfront (it's a no-brainer for me)
The backline is once again being moved around instead of just playing the best 4.
Allegri will never learn, which is why he should have been fired about 3 games ago
Rossoneri7
Oct 22 2012, 09:35 PM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 22 2012, 10:44 PM)

TMW hints that we might play like this:
GK
De Sciglio, Mexes/Zapata, Bonera, Antonini
De Jong, Ambrosini
Emanuelson, Montolivo, El Shaarawy
Pato/Bojan/Pazzini
LinkNot sure if we should 'risk' starting Pato. A 2nd half sub would be better, just to be safe. I'd rather play a 4321 with Nocerino in a 3man midfield and breaking for counters, instead of Urby.
han2503
Oct 22 2012, 09:40 PM
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Oct 22 2012, 09:35 PM)

Not sure if we should 'risk' starting Pato. A 2nd half sub would be better, just to be safe. I'd rather play a 4321 with Nocerino in a 3man midfield and breaking for counters, instead of Urby.
I think it's better to try Pato away from home. Pretty much all his muscle injuries have taken place at the San Siro. See if he does better on another pitch.
I think we've played our best football (yes, I know that's not saying much) when using the 4-2-3-1. It's a matter of playing the right players in all the positions and letting that combination of players find some cohesion and understanding between each other.
X-Offender
Oct 22 2012, 10:33 PM
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Oct 22 2012, 11:35 PM)

Not sure if we should 'risk' starting Pato. A 2nd half sub would be better, just to be safe. I'd rather play a 4321 with Nocerino in a 3man midfield and breaking for counters, instead of Urby.
Err, we did play a three-man midfield for a 4-3-2-1 against Lazio and we all saw what happened. Nocerino is performing as bad as Boateng, neither of them deserve a starting spot.
kurtsimonw
Oct 23 2012, 01:43 AM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 22 2012, 08:58 PM)

I really can't stand seeing Urby there. Move Bojan back instead of him and start Pato upfront (it's a no-brainer for me)
Agreed. Though a 3 of Bojan/Monto/SES might create things, so Pazzini should get service and I'm confident with that he'll score.
No way we go with that though. It'll be Urby playing.
Rossoneri7
Oct 23 2012, 07:35 AM
Its not about which pitch is jinxed ... More like Pato just came back? And needs to be integrated slowly? Even IF our hopes seem to be shattered without him.
han2503
Oct 23 2012, 09:03 AM
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Oct 23 2012, 07:35 AM)

Its not about which pitch is jinxed ... More like Pato just came back? And needs to be integrated slowly? Even IF our hopes seem to be shattered without him.
It's not about the pitch being jinxed, it's about the pitch at the San Siro being utter cr@p so it might have contributed to the injuries.
Danny
Oct 23 2012, 12:02 PM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 22 2012, 04:01 PM)

From the frying pan into the fire?
We'll see, but if we lose this one Galliani should be kicked out the door along with Allegri if he doesn't fire him. Inexcusable
I know we're beleaguered but you reckon if Allegri doesn't get at least a point from Malaga (who not only qualified for the CL ahead of Atletico, but are keeping up that form and are 3rd in Spain) on their own turf then that's failure?
Malaga are leaps and bounds better than us in every department.
I'm quite ready for the defeat.
han2503
Oct 23 2012, 01:44 PM
QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 23 2012, 12:02 PM)

I know we're beleaguered but you reckon if Allegri doesn't get at least a point from Malaga (who not only qualified for the CL ahead of Atletico, but are keeping up that form and are 3rd in Spain) on their own turf then that's failure?
Malaga are leaps and bounds better than us in every department.
I'm quite ready for the defeat.
It's the principle of it all though. Not the opponent.
The fact is that we haven't won a Serie A game since I can't even remember at this very moment. We've only won 1 CL game
The track record is appaling and it cannot be ignored anymore. Had Allegri been fired 3 matches ago we would have more than likely found our feet with the new coach rather than having to keep on beating down on the roadkill that Allegri has turned us into.
The point is that we won't be seeing any improvement until Allegri is out of the picture. And at this point it does not matter who our opponent is
d'Arc.LP
Oct 23 2012, 02:05 PM
QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 23 2012, 02:02 PM)

I know we're beleaguered but you reckon if Allegri doesn't get at least a point from Malaga (who not only qualified for the CL ahead of Atletico, but are keeping up that form and are 3rd in Spain) on their own turf then that's failure?
Malaga are leaps and bounds better than us in every department.
I'm quite ready for the defeat.
I remember Milan being in a very bad moment and playing a much stronger opponent in Champions league few years ago and yet we won at their pitch. I'm talking about the 3-2 win on Santiago Bernabeu.
d'Arc.LP
Oct 23 2012, 02:23 PM
Coach Massimiliano Allegri has selected 21 players for tomorrow's Champions League match against Malaga at the Rosaleda.
Goalkeepers: Amelia, Gabriel, Narduzzo.
Defenders: Acerbi, Antonini, Bonera, De Sciglio, Mexes, Yepes, Zapata.
Midfielders: Ambrosini, Boateng, Constant, Emanuelson, Flamini, Montolivo, Nocerino.
Strikers: Bojan, El Shaarawy, Pato, Pazzini.
Nigel de Jong has a knee inflammation, Abate was carrying an injury since his international duty and Abbiati is yet to recover from his training knock last week.
X-Offender
Oct 23 2012, 02:27 PM
No De Jong? That's a huge blow.
X-Offender
Oct 23 2012, 02:39 PM
Allegri: "Montolivo and Ambrosini will play in front of the defense. I'm unsure whether to play Boateng or someone else behind the striker".
Link
CHU-LIP
Oct 23 2012, 02:53 PM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 23 2012, 04:27 PM)

No De Jong? That's a huge blow.
We preferred Nocerino anyway?
Danny
Oct 23 2012, 03:29 PM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 23 2012, 02:44 PM)

It's the principle of it all though. Not the opponent.
The fact is that we haven't won a Serie A game since I can't even remember at this very moment. We've only won 1 CL game
The track record is appaling and it cannot be ignored anymore. Had Allegri been fired 3 matches ago we would have more than likely found our feet with the new coach rather than having to keep on beating down on the roadkill that Allegri has turned us into.
The point is that we won't be seeing any improvement until Allegri is out of the picture. And at this point it does not matter who our opponent is
Just to remind you our last Serie A win was Catania I think; SES with a brace. Or was that Cagliari. But you are right of course, it was just the way you put it; as if this game was a walkover and anything less than a point was unacceptable.
We will lose tomorrow, they are far too good for us.
I agree Allegri needs to go, but he is by no means the only symptom of a very ill club.
X-Offender
Oct 23 2012, 03:31 PM
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Oct 23 2012, 04:53 PM)

We preferred Nocerino anyway?
Not for in front of the defense, though. Nocerino has no business in a 4-2-3-1 formation.
Fillipo Simone
Oct 23 2012, 03:50 PM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 23 2012, 05:31 PM)

Not for in front of the defense, though. Nocerino has no business in a 4-2-3-1 formation.
This
X-Offender
Oct 23 2012, 04:35 PM
Probable line-up according to Mediaset:
Amelia
Bonera - Zapata - Mexes - De Sciglio
Montolivo - Ambrosini
Emanuelson - Boateng - El Shaarawy
Pazzini
Fillipo Simone
Oct 23 2012, 04:40 PM
Bonera over Antonini and Emo

no Bojan, Pazzini and Boa playing. Hmh. At least the CB pair is good.
milanbuf88
Oct 23 2012, 05:31 PM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 23 2012, 12:40 PM)

Bonera over Antonini and Emo

no Bojan, Pazzini and Boa playing. Hmh. At least the CB pair is good.
My guess is that Bonera would get the nod for added defensive stability with out NDJ. I definitely wish we could push Montolivo up the pitch and sit Boateng. Prince has been complete **** lately.
han2503
Oct 23 2012, 06:05 PM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 23 2012, 04:35 PM)

Probable line-up according to Mediaset:
Amelia
Bonera - Zapata - Mexes - De Sciglio
Montolivo - Ambrosini
Emanuelson - Boateng - El Shaarawy
Pazzini
Aside from the central defensive pairing and the 2 in front of the defence that's a very sh!tty line-up to put out!
Why play DS on the left when Abate isn't available?? He should be second choice for the RB position. Allegri's infatuation with Bonera is bordering on ridiculous and he's really making me resent the guy. Bonera is supposed to be the reliable cover guy, not a sure thing for the first 11 and even more painful, the captain!! Play Antonini or Urby on the left FFS!!
As for the front 4, I simply cannot get on board with Urby in that position. No matter what you guys say. He's just not a right-winger. He just looks clumsy and idiotic there when he could be a very good LB/LWB given the proper chance. Pazzini is also a huge problem. This guy is useless unless you're consistantly giving him service, play Pato there now that we've finally got him back.
For me this should look like
Amelia
De Sciglio - Zapata - Mexes - Urby/Antonini
Montolivo - Ambrosini
Bojan - Boateng - El Shaarawy
Pato
Fillipo Simone
Oct 23 2012, 06:09 PM
Ambrosini will be our captain han
X-Offender
Oct 23 2012, 06:13 PM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 23 2012, 08:05 PM)

For me this should look like
Amelia
De Sciglio - Zapata - Mexes - Urby/Antonini
Montolivo - Ambrosini
Bojan - Boateng - El Shaarawy
Pato
Yeah, but Allegri doesn't have the balls to play such an offensive line-up, so don't waste your breath.
Lawbaba
Oct 23 2012, 06:50 PM
I fear for my dear milan cuz this malaga team are in good form and well motivated for this encounter....i pray we get a draw.
if Allegri can't play an attacking football in this one,then he better be ready to leave!
han2503
Oct 23 2012, 08:53 PM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 23 2012, 06:09 PM)

Ambrosini will be our captain han

Tomorrow yes, but when neither he or Abbiati are on the pitch Bonera takes the armband.
Fillipo Simone
Oct 23 2012, 09:16 PM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 23 2012, 10:53 PM)

Tomorrow yes, but when neither he or Abbiati are on the pitch Bonera takes the armband.
Yes, that's an insult to all the other guys, including Kaladze, who wore the band.
Jack Bauer
Oct 23 2012, 09:28 PM
We don't have many worthy candidates anyway. We used to have at least 6-7 ...
servbot
Oct 23 2012, 10:00 PM
I'd have Abate (if he was playing) or Pato wear the armband before Bonera. They've been here long enough, considering the pool of candidates to choose from.
Danny
Oct 23 2012, 10:18 PM
It amuses me to see Allegri potentially going with a stale, turgid old side. The man's job is at risk and he picks basically the weakest team we have.
As for Bojan, he's been pretty terrible so far. No real reason to start him.
I have no clue who is available for sure, but we're getting our asses handed to us tomorrow.
Fillipo Simone
Oct 23 2012, 10:38 PM
Thing is; I'm almost 100% sure we're gonna sign Guardiola for next year - that is - this is our plan (which may fail during negotiations). That means, we cannot fire Allegri before season end that easily. And by promoting Tassotti we miss out the most important aspect of taking a fresh approach - the positive mental shock. We need a change in confidence, we need something to stir up the players minds. We need someone like Cesare Maldini after Zach, a insider willing to make the sacrifice and do it for half a season and then back off.
Zed.D
Oct 23 2012, 11:10 PM
Pep would be a dream... I hope you're right.
X-Offender
Oct 24 2012, 01:02 AM
Hey, if Fillipo says it's almost 100% happening, then it's happening.
Jack Sparrow
Oct 24 2012, 09:18 AM
I'm starting to believe in the Pep thing myself. It might just be the shock from the team's performances that I'm getting delusional.
Weird though. I would have though Pep would be more suited to the old Leonardo role, because he would know a lot more about having one playing philosophy- which for me has been the biggest takeaway from Barca...not their tiki-taka.
Jack Sparrow
Oct 24 2012, 09:30 AM
From the official site:
QUOTE
MILAN - Milan play against Malaga tomorrow evening in the Champions League in a crucial match for many reasons. The coach Massimiliano Allegri knows his job could be on the line, while the team lost their fifth game of the season against Lazio at the weekend and are struggling in the bottom half of the table.
The best way to make amends for the poor run of form is with a positive performance on the biggest stage in Europe.
"The team are not playing badly but often football games are decided by episodes. We are not conceding that many chances, even against Lazio we didn't, at least not in the first half. In rome we only made a mistake on the third goal. This is a similar situation to the one I experienced at Cagliari when we lost five in a row. We have to stick the ball in the back of the net and try not to concede a goal. This team cannot afford to go on like this."
Massimiliano Allegri has been preparing the match against Malaga with a fine tooth comb, fully aware of the fact that his side face their biggest test so far this season. Malaga are unbeaten in Europe and have yet to concede even a goal.
"Malaga play a very offensive game and we will have to do extremely well when in possession of the ball because we will definitely find some space. It will be very tough indeed tomorrow and we have to produce a performance like we did against Zenit. They are a very technical team from the midfield up."
Allegri has planned some changes to the side for tomorrow's match in the hope that his team can turn the chances created into goals and maintain a solid line of defence.
"We will always play with two holding midfielders. One will be Ambrosini and Montolivo will play in the middle. Montolivo did well with Italy both as a wide midfielder and also behind the front two. He is an important player for us I still have to choose who will play behind either Pazzini or Pato. Boateng is willing to play either as a wide midfielder but also as a wide attacker and not only behind the front two. Boateng is a very versatile player and can play in different roles. Pato is much better and is fighting for a starting place with Pazzini. Behind them Bojan or Boateng could play."
The rossoneri will have to do without Nigel De Jong for tomorrow's match because of a thigh injury and he isn't the only player missing.
"De Jong has a sore hip. No damage has been done and he will be available for the game against Genoa. Abate has been working apart for the last few days but my intention was to leave him at home and not play him. Those who played at the Euroes have a few problems. Abbiati has bronchitis and isn't well."
This could be make or break for the coach who knows that another defeat at the hands of Malaga could spell the end of his career at Milan. But that doesn't worry him.
"You have to ask the club if my job is on the line because I am only thinking about the team. I don't think about whether this will be my last match. We have to have nerves of steel and not think too much about what we are doing. We have to think less and react a little more. I last spoke to the president about a week ago but I talk to Galliani every day. I am convinced that this team has the character to overcome this difficult moment but we must start to reap what we sow."
Zed.D
Oct 24 2012, 09:42 AM
I don't think this game is make or break for Allegri. our next Serie A game (or two) probably will be.
Fillipo Simone
Oct 24 2012, 10:10 AM
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Oct 24 2012, 11:42 AM)

I don't think this game is make or break for Allegri. our next Serie A game (or two) probably will be.
Yeah, but if he looses, he'll get fired, it must be that way.
Jack Sparrow
Oct 24 2012, 12:58 PM
F.I running a story about Bojan starting behind Pazzini instead of Boateng. Could be interesting.
My guess for our starting XI from the interview and news snippets is:
De Sciglio---Mexes---Yepes----Bonera
----------Montolivo---Ambro-----------
--Urby-------Bojan-----------SeS------
------------Pazzini-----------------------
It's gotten to the point where I'm pretty meh about formations. I don't care if we play 5-4-1 as long as we can win.
d'Arc.LP
Oct 24 2012, 01:44 PM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 23 2012, 08:05 PM)

Aside from the central defensive pairing and the 2 in front of the defence that's a very sh!tty line-up to put out!
Why play DS on the left when Abate isn't available?? He should be second choice for the RB position. Allegri's infatuation with Bonera is bordering on ridiculous and he's really making me resent the guy. Bonera is supposed to be the reliable cover guy, not a sure thing for the first 11 and even more painful, the captain!! Play Antonini or Urby on the left FFS!!
As for the front 4, I simply cannot get on board with Urby in that position. No matter what you guys say. He's just not a right-winger. He just looks clumsy and idiotic there when he could be a very good LB/LWB given the proper chance. Pazzini is also a huge problem. This guy is useless unless you're consistantly giving him service, play Pato there now that we've finally got him back.
For me this should look like
Amelia
De Sciglio - Zapata - Mexes - Urby/Antonini
Montolivo - Ambrosini
Bojan - Boateng - El Shaarawy
Pato
Agreed on almost all points, especially on your argument about De Sciglip/Abate and Urby. As for the midfield, I wouldn't start Boateng as a trequartista again. I think it would be a nice move switching places between Montolivo and Boateng. In that case Montolivo would have a nice cover and could give more services to out striker, whoever that would be. That would be a fresh start for Boateng also, trying himself in a new position, where he has the attributes to contribute more.
If Montolivo played as trequartista, I'd try Pazzini in the first half, if it didn't work, then introduce Pato.
d'Arc.LP
Oct 24 2012, 03:14 PM
GDS reports that Allegri will field a 3-4-3 formation tonight against Malaga.
Danny
Oct 24 2012, 03:38 PM
Love all the contradicting reports.
Let's face it, it'll be:
Bonera, Mexes, Zapata, Antonini
-----Monto Ambro Flamini
----------Urby
----SES--------Pazzini
I hereby confidently predict this side.
X-Offender
Oct 24 2012, 03:39 PM
MILAN (3-4-3): Amelia; Bonera, Mexes, Yepes; De Sciglio, Montolivo, Ambrosini, Antonini; El Shaarawy, Pazzini, Emanuelson.
Dear god! He finally tries the 3-man defense and messes it up? Emanuelson is not a striker, dear Allegri. He should play instead of Antonini in midfield, and Abate is a much better winger than De Sciglio. And Bonera/Yepes over Zapata? Again? If we wanna play 3-4-3, this is how it should be:
Amelia
Zapata - Mexes - Yepes
Abate - Montolivo - Ambrosini - Emanuelson
Bojan - Pato - El Shaarawy
Allegri's formation is an atrocity.
Danny
Oct 24 2012, 03:48 PM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 24 2012, 04:39 PM)

MILAN (3-4-3): Amelia; Bonera, Mexes, Yepes; De Sciglio, Montolivo, Ambrosini, Antonini; El Shaarawy, Pazzini, Emanuelson.
Dear god! He finally tries the 3-man defense and messes it up? Emanuelson is not a striker, dear Allegri. He should play instead of Antonini in midfield, and Abate is a much better winger than De Sciglio. And Bonera/Yepes over Zapata? Again? If we wanna play 3-4-3, this is how it should be:
Amelia
Zapata - Mexes - Yepes
Abate - Montolivo - Ambrosini - Emanuelson
Bojan - Pato - El Shaarawy
Allegri's formation is an atrocity.
Just because you know the personnel doesn't mean the order in which they are named is categorically related to the position they will play.
Your formation and personnel isn't bad but could well be the setup he plays.
I am deeply concerned with ANYONE wanting a 3 at the back though. For that to work, the 5 most important players (3 CBs and the 2 wing backs) must be completely familiar and at ease for it to work. It must have played several times in competitive matches.
Debuting it in the hardest match of our CL group stage is beyond bizarre.
We will be vulnerable to say the least at the back against a side as good as Malaga.
EDIT: just noticed your personnel is significantly different as well. The team he's chosen (if that's official) is pretty much what I said he would. Bar Yepes in Zapata's place, DS in Antonini's and Antonini in Flamini's. I really would be amazed if it's 3 at the back. Bonera will be RB as I said.
d'Arc.LP
Oct 24 2012, 04:10 PM
It's not a 3-4-3, it's rather a 5-4-1.
han2503
Oct 24 2012, 05:05 PM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 24 2012, 03:39 PM)

MILAN (3-4-3): Amelia; Bonera, Mexes, Yepes; De Sciglio, Montolivo, Ambrosini, Antonini; El Shaarawy, Pazzini, Emanuelson.
Dear god! He finally tries the 3-man defense and messes it up? Emanuelson is not a striker, dear Allegri. He should play instead of Antonini in midfield, and Abate is a much better winger than De Sciglio. And Bonera/Yepes over Zapata? Again? If we wanna play 3-4-3, this is how it should be:
Amelia
Zapata - Mexes - Yepes
Abate - Montolivo - Ambrosini - Emanuelson
Bojan - Pato - El Shaarawy
Allegri's formation is an atrocity.
lol, I just looked at the one you posted before reading the post and was like: "wow that looks really good"
And than I notice the f@ck up that Allegri could field which you wrote at the start of the post. What a let down. If we go out with that line-up than expect a slaughtering
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