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Galliani: 'We want to be like Arsenal', i.e. not win a thing.
han2503
QUOTE (drucurl @ Jan 15 2013, 05:01 PM) *
The opposite of what we are told usually takes place

G: "I'd rather cut my wrists than sell Kaka"
G: "$heva not for sale"
G "Zlatan? Impossible"
etc etc dry.gif

Do you really believe that this time we'll get Balotelli?

I think he's out of the question right now. Especially if Santos are unwilling to budge on their offer for Robinho and he refuses to go to another team

Still, I think at this poing Balotelli would be a futile signing. Sneijder is who we should be after, not another striker dependant on service that this team cannot provide
drucurl
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 15 2013, 01:21 PM) *
Do you really believe that this time we'll get Balotelli?

I think he's out of the question right now. Especially if Santos are unwilling to budge on their offer for Robinho and he refuses to go to another team

Still, I think at this poing Balotelli would be a futile signing. Sneijder is who we should be after, not another striker dependant on service that this team cannot provide

I remember when we bought Ronaldinho.....who we really needed at the time was Eto'o....Eto'o would have done wonders to post-$heva Milan....but we got the bigger name the more glamorous player even though he was completely unnecessary.

Sadly the same can be said about my beloved Ronaldo....when Drogba and Henry were both better fits and equally attainable.

Milan is essentially Berlusconi's toy and whatever will make it look bigger and shinier will be bought if any funds are available

Gone are the days where actual teams are assembled. We have to get by on what we could and hope for the president's vanity to work in our favour from time to time.


tl;dr= Balo is very possible for our corrupt, vain senile president. Someone that we could actually use like Sneijder is too expensive.
Zed.D
I don't know if we'll sign Balo but I 100% agree with drucurl here.
han2503
QUOTE (drucurl @ Jan 15 2013, 06:24 PM) *
I remember when we bought Ronaldinho.....who we really needed at the time was Eto'o....Eto'o would have done wonders to post-$heva Milan....but we got the bigger name the more glamorous player even though he was completely unnecessary.

Sadly the same can be said about my beloved Ronaldo....when Drogba and Henry were both better fits and equally attainable.

Milan is essentially Berlusconi's toy and whatever will make it look bigger and shinier will be bought if any funds are available

Gone are the days where actual teams are assembled. We have to get by on what we could and hope for the president's vanity to work in our favour from time to time.


tl;dr= Balo is very possible for our corrupt, vain senile president. Someone that we could actually use like Sneijder is too expensive.

You're 100% correct in your assesment and I don't think Berlu himself could really deny that.

Still Senijder would be a far more cheaper option, the money being mentioned for the Galatasaray move is not that large. His wage could be a problem, but given we could cut out Robinho + plus the one Pato earned, offering him 5m would be doable and acceptable for him.

Balo on the other hand would be for a rather large sum, no matter how fed up City are with him, plus the huge wages which would be on a par with Sneijder.

I think that this is more of a case regarding our inept management and not knowing when a good thing is right under their noses rather than Silvio's vanity
drucurl
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 15 2013, 03:22 PM) *
You're 100% correct in your assesment and I don't think Berlu himself could really deny that.

Still Senijder would be a far more cheaper option, the money being mentioned for the Galatasaray move is not that large. His wage could be a problem, but given we could cut out Robinho + plus the one Pato earned, offering him 5m would be doable and acceptable for him.

Balo on the other hand would be for a rather large sum, no matter how fed up City are with him, plus the huge wages which would be on a par with Sneijder.

I think that this is more of a case regarding our inept management and not knowing when a good thing is right under their noses rather than Silvio's vanity

Well I don't know that our management apart from Berlu is that inept. Actually Berlu himself isn't inept in the slightest either.....they all know what they're doing

The problem is that their objectives are different from those of the fans.

Berlu isn't stupid.....Milan being cr@p in some twisted way actually looks good for a man wanting to be president (not sure if he withdrew from the race already) in a country under such harsh economic times.....his opponents would SLAUGHTER him were he to splurge on a Falcao or indeed a Balotelli.

All of these horrible signings and players along with the epitome of mediocrity Allegri makes us look like "poor Milan". While in public he will put up a strong face, I think in reality he wants us to look this bad.

If he was to win the elections I'm pretty sure we'll get some new "football candy"....i.e. a fancy attacker but not necessarily any "football nutrients" i.e. players that we need in less glamorous positions.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (drucurl @ Jan 16 2013, 12:06 AM) *
Well I don't know that our management apart from Berlu is that inept. Actually Berlu himself isn't inept in the slightest either.....they all know what they're doing

The problem is that their objectives are different from those of the fans.

Berlu isn't stupid.....Milan being cr@p in some twisted way actually looks good for a man wanting to be president (not sure if he withdrew from the race already) in a country under such harsh economic times.....his opponents would SLAUGHTER him were he to splurge on a Falcao or indeed a Balotelli.

All of these horrible signings and players along with the epitome of mediocrity Allegri makes us look like "poor Milan". While in public he will put up a strong face, I think in reality he wants us to look this bad.

If he was to win the elections I'm pretty sure we'll get some new "football candy"....i.e. a fancy attacker but not necessarily any "football nutrients" i.e. players that we need in less glamorous positions.


I think that sums it up pretty much. As the objective, since the departure of the old guard has been a long-term one, while we, fans, think about the current market and players available for sale ... The club is looking at prospect players which we have not heard of, the likes of SES.

EDIT: That is where the frustration of the Milan fans factors in.
Zed.D
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Beckham return to Milan?
By Football Italia staff

There are extraordinary rumours circulating that Milan are in talks to bring David Beckham back to San Siro for the third time.

The England star has already played for the Rossoneri on loan from LA Galaxy from January to June 2009 and January to June 2010, taking advantage of the MLS close season.

Beckham has now finished his career in America, winning the MLS Cup 2012 in his final match for the Galaxy.

He may be 37 years old, but there are reports in Sport Mediaset that Milan are willing to make an exception on their policy of signing only young players.

The story is already gaining traction and bookmakers in England are taking bets on Becks making a Rossoneri comeback.

Exception to the rule...? EXCEPTION?? realmad.gif it'll further prove how hopeless and pathetic we are if we sign Beckham. all the talk of not signing anyone old again, and then bringing in a 37yo for a non-footballing reason we are all aware of.

It better remain just a rumor.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jan 16 2013, 09:42 AM) *
I think that sums it up pretty much. As the objective, since the departure of the old guard has been a long-term one, while we, fans, think about the current market and players available for sale ... The club is looking at prospect players which we have not heard of, the likes of SES.

EDIT: That is where the frustration of the Milan fans factors in.

Maybe. But I'm frustrated by another thing: the fact that after so many years, for the first time they (management) failed to "sell" me their plan. I was on board with most of their moves, but this time I'm not convinced their plan has long-term potential. Why? I already explained - to put it simple - I don't think a club of legends and senators can overnight turn into the next Porto or Arsenal.

And even if we turn into Arsenal, I don't find it particularly good. We are Milan and we should be keeping our best players and not turning into a club that creates and then passes on their best players.

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jan 16 2013, 11:25 AM) *
Exception to the rule...? EXCEPTION?? realmad.gif it'll further prove how hopeless and pathetic we are if we sign Beckham. all the talk of not signing anyone old again, and then bringing in a 37yo for a non-footballing reason we are all aware of.

It better remain just a rumor.

What is even worse is, given the present constellation, he'd be a good signing.
kurtsimonw
Daily Mail "Beckham seems to have his heart set on finishing his career with Milan". I would take him. He's better than most of the midfielders we have and if nothing else, you're going to get absolute 100% effort with him. He has a knack for helping his teams get the job done as well, no matter what.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jan 16 2013, 11:51 AM) *
Daily Mail "Beckham seems to have his heart set on finishing his career with Milan". I would take him. He's better than most of the midfielders we have and if nothing else, you're going to get absolute 100% effort with him. He has a knack for helping his teams get the job done as well, no matter what.

I agree. In this setup, we lack of someone like him.
han2503
I'd be happy if we got Beckham. He's a professional through and through and has always done good things with us. If signing him means selling a couple more shirts then so be it.

Still I fail to see how this could be anywhere near enough. We need a proper attacking mid more then anything else. Although someone like Beckham who can take over that Monto position comes a close second, because I feel that this De Jong loss will force Monto into the anchor position as time goes on. Ambro won't be able to keep it up, as we've already seen when he was needed to play 3 times in a short time span.

As long as Sneijder does not sign with anyone else, I'll still be hopeful that the management open their eyes and see what a huge opportunity they have in front of them.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 16 2013, 11:09 AM) *
I'd be happy if we got Beckham. He's a professional through and through and has always done good things with us. If signing him means selling a couple more shirts then so be it.

A few years ago and Beckham at this age I would have opposed it. But let's face it, we need all the money we can get right now!

Beckham won't demand ridiculous wages, so I don't see that being an issue. And hey, Beckham just pushes everyone's favourites Muntari and Traore down the pecking order at the very least.
Fillipo Simone
But how would Allegri integrate Beckham in his system? Fullback? Striker? I think Max is already preparing his big plan tongue.gif
milanbuf88
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jan 16 2013, 07:41 AM) *
But how would Allegri integrate Beckham in his system? Fullback? Striker? I think Max is already preparing his big plan tongue.gif


Currently better option at CB: Beckham or Acerbi?
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jan 16 2013, 12:42 PM) *
Maybe. But I'm frustrated by another thing: the fact that after so many years, for the first time they (management) failed to "sell" me their plan. I was on board with most of their moves, but this time I'm not convinced their plan has long-term potential. Why? I already explained - to put it simple - I don't think a club of legends and senators can overnight turn into the next Porto or Arsenal.

And even if we turn into Arsenal, I don't find it particularly good. We are Milan and we should be keeping our best players and not turning into a club that creates and then passes on their best players.


True, even I am finding it difficult to digest. Once upon a time we used to rule Europe and command a presence.

We should lower our expectations going forward. This is the path the management has chosen, and despite how frustrating that makes us or nostalgic on the past we get, we have to at least comprehend that this is not something to be judged now. However, something that should be judged after two years, while keeping in mind that not everything is done to perfection.

People on here call the management names, like baboons, and stress that the management is clueless. Yet they do not comprehend the fact that this management is what brought Milan to our attention in the first place. Given their strategy at the time.

Today's strategy is different, it is a radical shift whereby our focus is on developing, scouting and integrating youth into the first team setup. Galliani has been saying this since 2009, when FFP was first drafted.

Like all projects, it needs time to perfect and finalize.
Fillipo Simone
Seems like Beckham won't be coming after all. Galliani said so (mediaset).
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jan 16 2013, 02:02 PM) *
True, even I am finding it difficult to digest. Once upon a time we used to rule Europe and command a presence.

We should lower our expectations going forward. This is the path the management has chosen, and despite how frustrating that makes us or nostalgic on the past we get, we have to at least comprehend that this is not something to be judged now. However, something that should be judged after two years, while keeping in mind that not everything is done to perfection.

People on here call the management names, like baboons, and stress that the management is clueless. Yet they do not comprehend the fact that this management is what brought Milan to our attention in the first place. Given their strategy at the time.

Today's strategy is different, it is a radical shift whereby our focus is on developing, scouting and integrating youth into the first team setup. Galliani has been saying this since 2009, when FFP was first drafted.

Like all projects, it needs time to perfect and finalize.

Many of your points are correct. But we must keep in mind that success, and even history, can be forgotten. If we accept this new role Milan is aiming at, we are accepting they faith of many rich, once famous clubs who are now playing mid-table roles in their respective leagues.

Where did Berlusconi pick up Milan? At the bottom. And this fact shows you how easily even a giant can fall.

My opinion is that we need a fresh perspective and a new management that is willing to invest, make sacrifices and put winning on top of their priorities. Because right now Galliani and Berlusconi have "damage control" and "crisis management" written all over them and I think they've lost their hunger for winning.

We can debate this, but I think you will agree with me that a young Berlusconi would have made different choices, even now.
Rossoneri7
The issue is related to FFP, Fillipo, so yes in general I agree with you that we are AC Milan a once powerhouse of European football and a trophy cabinet that would trump any other in comparison ... But that was not through AC Milan's income, it was through funds sourced from Berlusconi. AC Milan for all its history does not make that much money to field a top-class team.

FFP was put in place to stop the Berlusconis of world football from doing exactly that, and if Milan is today classified as a mid-table team as that is what the team can afford, then that is only 'just'. Even with a younger Berlusconi or new investor, we will only be able to build a new training ground or Stadium, funds can not be routed to pay for player wages and/or transfers.

I believe the management has put in a lot of effort with a strategy going forward, but they do not disclose much (they never did). Just that our focus is on youth.
Bluesummers
you cannot build a footballing club without youth, it is unsustainable, feasily impossible and just plain stupid. What is happening now is a result of our neglect of youth in the last decade.


Its okay having big name players in the team but when your paying someone like flamini 4.5m for 3 years and hes not playing thats a flaw in your business plan. That player could be replaced by a youth and you could save a lot of money over time.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jan 17 2013, 10:08 AM) *
you cannot build a footballing club without youth, it is unsustainable, feasily impossible and just plain stupid. What is happening now is a result of our neglect of youth in the last decade.


Its okay having big name players in the team but when your paying someone like flamini 4.5m for 3 years and hes not playing thats a flaw in your business plan. That player could be replaced by a youth and you could save a lot of money over time.


very true
Fillipo Simone
Problem is, mostly our youth is inadequate.
Bluesummers
News:

Kaka:

The Brazilian told Sky Sport 24: "My situation at Real Madrid is an unhappy one - for me and for others.

"I'm ready to do anything to return to Milan,"

"I've already told Milan that I'm ready to find a solution.". In Milan, I had many beautiful moments and still have friends here."



-Fifa agent: Mathew matterazi " I am well aware of the situation regarding sneijder. However, I have serious doubts that he will go to Turkey. I'm very sure he will stay in Italy"


-Guardiola will earn 17 millions before tax at Bayern according to Sport. He overtakes Mourinho as best paid coach in the world.





-Galatasaray withdrew their bid for Antonini as he was cup tied

-Galliani wanted to sign Belfodil from parma, but Parma said that they won’t let him go in January.
Galliani will talk to them on Friday about Belfodil and Saponara.


-Galliani has offered Verona 4.5m to get Jorginho in the Summer


-Milan are monitoring Bari’s 14-year old central defender, Alessandro Vogliacco


-Milan interested in Co-Owning Citadella Midfielder Daniele Baselli


-Attila Filkor Likely to go on Loan to Pro Vercelli


-Zigoni will leave Pro Vercelli and go on Loan to Avellino


-Galliani and Berlusconi wanted to bring Beckham back but Allegri has said "no" to him




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kurtsimonw
I couldn't say no to Kaka' returning, so long as it worked financially for us.
Zed.D
Two summers ago I didn't want Kaka at all because I naively thought we were en route to having a great young team built around the likes of Silva, Zlatan, Pato, etc. I thought we'd sign a good trequartista/AM for sure. right now I'd take Kaka in a heartbeat because we're too ****ed to say no to a player of his caliber (who's still not too old).
drucurl
Allegri is going to reject Kaka for Lodi cool.gif
acid911
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jan 17 2013, 04:57 PM) *
-Galliani wanted to sign Belfodil from parma, but Parma said that they won’t let him go in January.

Belfodill? Sounds like a dwarf straight from Hobbit and Lord of the Rings! biggrin.gif tongue.gif

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jan 17 2013, 04:57 PM) *
-Galliani and Berlusconi wanted to bring Beckham back but Allegri has said "no" to him

Idiota! mad.gif angry.gif realmad.gif
han2503
Still hopeful on Sneijder...

If we manage Kaka he's still a million times better then what we currently have.

Maybe we can get both if it's financially feasible
X-Offender
Too bad Kaká is cup tied. sad.gif
Danny
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jan 17 2013, 11:04 AM) *
I couldn't say no to Kaka' returning, so long as it worked financially for us.


He seems exceedingly keen given his awful move to Real flopped horribly and he never fit in.

He knows he made a BIG mistake, and I can't even say financially it was useful for us given we never reinvested the cash in a likewise replacement or 2.

End of the day an on-form Kaka is a world class player - well superceded now by the likes of Messi, Ronaldo and Falcao in terms of the elite but still very useful.

Problem is he hasn't had consistent form since 2007, and THAT was 2 years before we sold him.

Given our total lack of spunk in the hole (and as dirty as that sounds, it's entirely innocent) we really need someone like him.

Bojan is actually pretty good but not the strongest - but Kaka would be a better alternative. It's best to play Kaka in the 'Kaka' position.

And as Kurt here says, if his lavish current wages being cut isn't a problem for him, and after all, he's a good christian for whom money surely is not important, then I'm certain he'd happily take a reduction.

He has potentially 2 years or so left and if we can get him cheap and back to even half of the player he was, despite my former utter loathing I'd play the role of the short-memory fickle football fan and welcome him back with open arms.

Can't really afford not to.
X-Offender
Kaká
Bojan - El Sha


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Danny
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 17 2013, 03:32 PM) *
Kaká
Bojan - El Sha


droolsmiley.gif


Weren't you slating Max for playing Bojan up top against Samp?
X-Offender
QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 17 2013, 06:59 PM) *
Weren't you slating Max for playing Bojan up top against Samp?


CF in a three-man attack, yes. Entirely different story when he's part of a two-man attack with a trequartista behind him.
han2503
QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 17 2013, 04:59 PM) *
Weren't you slating Max for playing Bojan up top against Samp?

As x-off pointed out, it's completely different to playing a system where Bojan is basically leading the line i.e. the prima punta.

Bojan is probably the most diminutive player on this team, why play him in a position where you need to be physically strong and capable of challenging physical defenders and then play someone like Niang out wide? That is what didn't make any sense.

Bojan being the second striker, slightly beind SES is different to playing as a pure CF. Especially when you have a true trequartista behind you
X-Offender
According to Mediaset, Kaká's arrival is very difficult due to his enormous wage (nearly €13 million). On the other hand, Balotelli gets closer, as Raiola met Galliani today.

Link
X-Offender
Bojan
Balotelli - El Sha


Not too shabby, either.
drucurl
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 17 2013, 04:11 PM) *
Bojan
Balotelli - El Sha


Not too shabby, either.

False #9?

I'd prefer

-------Balo-------
SES---Kaka--Niang
----Nigel---Monto--

Granten our defense will get overrun totally but that's some hardcore fifa 13 bs right there laugh.gif
X-Offender
QUOTE (drucurl @ Jan 17 2013, 10:37 PM) *
False #9?

I'd prefer

-------Balo-------
SES---Kaka--Niang
----Nigel---Monto--

Granten our defense will get overrun totally but that's some hardcore fifa 13 bs right there laugh.gif


As a trequartista.

Seriously though, we've been saying all this time how El Shaarawy and especially Niang are not wingers, and you wanna play them in a 4-2-3-1??
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 17 2013, 05:26 PM) *
Too bad Kaká is cup tied. sad.gif

Cup tied? So you think we have a chance against them? I think it's irrelevant, we should concentrate on the league anyhow.
KillerMax
So he is desperate and he would do anything to come to Milan yet his wages are a problem...

WahetEVA girlfriend! biggrin.gif
drucurl
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 17 2013, 04:40 PM) *
As a trequartista.

Seriously though, we've been saying all this time how El Shaarawy and especially Niang are not wingers, and you wanna play them in a 4-2-3-1??
I think that playing Bojan at CF in Italy with Niang as the winger is a waste of time.
Given Balo up front though it would be equally wasteful to not play Niang at all
Fillipo Simone
Mediaset once again mentions Beckham as a possibility. At least we're trying/doing something.
Jack Bauer
Adriano Galliani confirmed Milan are in talks with Real Madrid to take Kaka on loan, but “it will be very difficult. We’ll try...”

The news emerged this morning from Milan Channel and Galliani met with agents Gaetano and Dario Paolillo today at the club’s Via Turati HQ.

“I have no news to give you today...” the Rossoneri Vice-President told Sky Sport Italia cameras.

“It’s true, I was very, very pleased with Kaka’s words. There is contact with Real Madrid, but at the moment I haven’t got any news for you.

“Will it be possible to sign Kaka? It will be difficult, very difficult. How hard will I try? We’ll see...”

Mario Balotelli’s agent Mino Raiola was also spotted at the Milan offices today, but Galliani assured it was “a normal thing that agents come by to visit.”

Meanwhile, Mediaset claim that a deal is practically done with Real Madrid to take Kaka on loan with the Brazilian taking a pay cut.

http://www.football-italia.net/29601/galli...cult-kaka-talks
X-Offender
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jan 17 2013, 11:03 PM) *
Cup tied? So you think we have a chance against them? I think it's irrelevant, we should concentrate on the league anyhow.


Simple logic: it's better to play against Barça with Kaká than without him, regardless of the outcome.
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 17 2013, 11:29 PM) *
Simple logic: it's better to play against Barça with Kaká than without him, regardless of the outcome.

The problem against Barca will be our defence and our midfield, forget about the attack. The guys up front will barely get a sniff of the ball.
elcordobez
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 18 2013, 10:29 AM) *
Simple logic: it's better to play against Barça with Kaká than without him, regardless of the outcome.


he's cup tied, no?
X-Offender
QUOTE (elcordobez @ Jan 18 2013, 02:18 AM) *
he's cup tied, no?


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Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 18 2013, 01:29 AM) *
Simple logic: it's better to play against Barça with Kaká than without him, regardless of the outcome.

I think it's irrelevant. Yes, it's better. But better to what purpose? Cosmetics and sentiment. In the end, we will be eliminated.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jan 18 2013, 03:24 AM) *
I think it's irrelevant. Yes, it's better. But better to what purpose? Cosmetics and sentiment. In the end, we will be eliminated.


agreed
Rossoneri7
I don't think Kaka will be successful with us again ... Maybe he will be there to support SES and other develop or give more to off-pitch issues and educate the younger players on Milan's traditions blah blah ... But on the field, he wont be effective as we last remembered him with us.

I honestly am opposed to this move for the sole purpose that Kaka will just turn the Milanfans that used to love him, into those that despise him because he is 30/31/32 and going innocent.gif
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