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TriniKing_CE
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 9 2012, 04:47 PM) *
Regardless of the seasons's outcome - No!

Rijkaard would be great. I wonder no-one's bothered to sign him after he left Spain. The reason Barça are the strongest team in the world is mainly attributable to his earlier work.

He was at Galatasaray for a year or so, before getting sacked, and then most recently with the Saudi Arabian football team where they were eliminated from WC 2014 Qualifying group stage.
Jack Sparrow
QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 29 2012, 05:10 AM) *
Never saw this post. I made this exact same point elsewhere.


To quote Maggie Thatcher, "No! No..no...no!!"
Zed.D
Then who do you want? no MvB. no Frankie. not Allegri..
kurtsimonw
Probably Ancelotti.
Jack Sparrow
biggrin.gif Not really no. Carlo would fail miserably with the team we have on our roster now.

This is why I don't want Max out. Most people when they want Max out are falling into the same trap as people who want Pato, Rino, Seedorf etc etc out. Assuming that their going out automatically means someone of a higher quality is coming in as if these people were occupying space and that was the only reason management were not getting anyone in. Whereas it's obvious that when they want to or when the price is right, the management has no problem pushing someone out. (Pirlo, Kaka, Sheva etc)

The fact is if were to be really dispassionate, we don't have good enough replacements for Max. Realistically there is Gasperini and Benitez. The rest of them are tied up or not quality enough.

Hiddink is not available and will not want this sort of pressure again.
Pep even without the Ibra factor, will not want to come to Milan where the media are worse and even the fans are not unconditional.
Spalletti said that he is not interested in moving away.
Same with Capello who said he doesn't wish to come to Milan without a project in place which is just not there.

To let a coach go without having any precise idea who to approach next and why (as I'm sure is the case) will be the downfall. It's always a surefire recipe for disaster and we have seen it happen to every time.

For me the way forward is for the management and the coach to sit together and do a clear discussion on where things are different. Like it or not, Max has to accept that it is Silvio who puts food on the table, and see if Silvio's demands can be met. For eg. If Silvio wants pretty football, then Max has to say Yes. But Max is within his right then to say that he wants Players or rather Player Types X, Y and Z.

The playing philosophy, the playing lineup, the training methods, the stadium turf...every single thing must be put on the agenda and discussed and resolved.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Apr 30 2012, 02:02 PM) *
Realistically there is Gasperini and Benitez. The rest of them are tied up or not quality enough.

To let a coach go without having any precise idea who to approach next and why (as I'm sure is the case) will be the downfall. It's always a surefire recipe for disaster and we have seen it happen to every time.

I'm not sure on Gasp. To me he's just a lesser Allegri. I do think he's a good coach and his short time at Inter was a bit of a fluke, but with what happened he'd be under added pressure at another top club, Allegri's already proven he's a winner here.

Benitez collapsed at the end of his Liverpool day and failed at Inter. Sometimes it's hard to recover from a numer of failures like that. You can see the pressure has got to him now and I don't think he'll ever have great success again.

I agree with your last point though, madness to do such a thing.
Jack Sparrow
Gasperini would play his 3-4-3 rigidly. Plus he has even less experience than Allegri in Europe.

I used to dislike Benitez till I actually spoke to him face to face. He seems a nice chap with some good tactical knowledge. Plus he would play wingers (he told me this). But Benitez would need an old Milan hand as a director of football plus as assistant coach. He's not good with player management. And his over reliance on Spanish players is a problem.

But all in all...his ratings are really low, and I think he wouldn't be accepted by the players and the fans. Not to mention the Inter connection.
han2503
I don't see how keeping Allegri at this point is even a viable option. He's got half the squad exiled for no good reason. He simply has to be let go.

If things continue as they are, he won't win next season either. The team no longer backs him. And whether he's the greatest coach or the worst out there. That's the most fundamental aspect of having a successful team
Jack Sparrow
Allegri from football-italia:

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Milan boss Massimiliano Allegri expects to still be bossing the Diavolo next season. “My work here is not done.”

Rumours are suggesting that club owner Silvio Berlusconi is thinking of replacing the tactician should he not deliver a second consecutive League title.

“I’m happy at Milan,” said the former Cagliari Coach who has a contract at San Siro until June 2014. “My work here has only just begun.

“I have an excellent relationship with Berlusconi and he told me to not think about the rumours which are circulating.”

The Rossoneri were looking good to retain their crown, but their Champions League exit to Barcelona was followed up by some lacklustre Serie A displays.

“We’re still in the hunt for the Scudetto despite the fact that our chances have been reduced,” added Allegri with his team three points shy of Juventus.

“We reached the last eight of the Champions League and we are fighting for the title. We have to win against Atalanta in order to not give Juventus the title mathematically.

“Of course I hoped that Juve wouldn’t win at Novara, as I hope they don’t get the points versus Lecce. We just can’t make any mistakes.”

Some at Milan are blaming the club’s League position on injuries, but Allegri has another theory. “We are paying the price for a difficult start.

“Last term we collected eight points in the first five games, this time around we only got five.

“It’s clear that when you net so few and are up against a Juventus side who are collecting results then you can’t allow yourselves to make a mistake.”


A much better interview from him. Now we have to close out this season in the best way possible and head back to the drawing board.
Fillipo Simone
I honestly want him out. I don't see his plan for Milan compatible with what Milan supposed to be/represent, and frankly, I really fear the day when his plan for Milan will be completed.
Jack Sparrow
Well I think if he continues with the plan/mindset he has shown this season he has to go out. But I will still give him one more year (as is written in his contract).

Remember Carlo was also criticised for being extra defensive. In fact in his first year at Milan we were mostly 5th or 6th throughout. It was only later that he hit upon that formula that satisfied everyone. I will open a tactics thread for next season where I hope we can discuss this better.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Apr 30 2012, 05:48 PM) *
Well I think if he continues with the plan/mindset he has shown this season he has to go out. But I will still give him one more year (as is written in his contract).

Remember Carlo was also criticised for being extra defensive. In fact in his first year at Milan we were mostly 5th or 6th throughout. It was only later that he hit upon that formula that satisfied everyone. I will open a tactics thread for next season where I hope we can discuss this better.

That's a great idea.

But problem is, Ancelotti did understand the concept of a midfield with vision, he coached Zidane after all, he had a Parma with vision prior to Milan and he played at a pretty flashy Milan earlier. My point is, although he was too defensive, he never misunderstood the importance of creation. Allegri seems to do just that - look at the players he's having trouble to find a place - it's Aquilani, it was Dinho, it's also Robinho to an extent.
drucurl
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 30 2012, 11:52 AM) *
That's a great idea.

But problem is, Ancelotti did understand the concept of a midfield with vision, he coached Zidane after all, he had a Parma with vision prior to Milan and he played at a pretty flashy Milan earlier. My point is, although he was too defensive, he never misunderstood the importance of creation. Allegri seems to do just that - look at the players he's having trouble to find a place - it's Aquilani, it was Dinho, it's also Robinho to an extent.

+∞
X-Offender
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Apr 30 2012, 03:02 PM) *
Most people when they want Max out are falling into the same trap as people who want Pato, Rino, Seedorf etc etc out. Assuming that their going out automatically means someone of a higher quality is coming in as if these people were occupying space and that was the only reason management were not getting anyone in.


Rino and Seedorf are quality? It'd take nothing to replace washed up players like them. Same argument about Yepes, Zambrotta, Ambrosini, Inzaghi etc. If we could replace Nesta with Ogbonna and Bommel with Keita, then replacing the rest of the senators won't be a problem at all. Their current contribution to this team is practically null, and I can't see how Montolivo or Muntari can't do what Seedorf or Gattuso actually do, much, much better.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 30 2012, 05:52 PM) *
But problem is, Ancelotti did understand the concept of a midfield with vision, he coached Zidane after all, he had a Parma with vision prior to Milan and he played at a pretty flashy Milan earlier. My point is, although he was too defensive, he never misunderstood the importance of creation. Allegri seems to do just that - look at the players he's having trouble to find a place - it's Aquilani, it was Dinho, it's also Robinho to an extent.


Exactly.
Jack Sparrow
Well..this ends the debate. Pretty okay with this actually.

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Silvio Berlusconi has insisted that AC Milan have no intention to replace head coach Massimiliano Allegri at the end of the season.

A number of recent reports suggested that the Rossoneri were ready to part company with their current trainer if they fail to successfully defend their Serie A title.However, Berlusconi has now made it clear that the 44-year-old Allegri will still be the man in charge in the 2012-13 campaign.

“Do I still have faith in Allegri? Yes, I’ve already confirmed him as the Milan coach for next season,” Berlusconi stated to reporters.

Allegri was appointed Milan coach in the summer of 2010, and guided the San Siro side to the Scudetto in his first season in charge.

The Rossoneri currently sit second in the Serie A table, trailing leaders Juventus by one point with two more games to go.
kurtsimonw
Wait.. Silvio doing the right thing!? WHAT!?
Zed.D
Right decision. I don't want to go back to square one with a Rijkaard or Van Basten and let's face it, unless we add important players to the squad great managers won't risk their reputation to take this job. Max deserves one more year, hopefully with a healthy squad and a few good signings in the areas we're lacking. we should be OK.
han2503
QUOTE (Zed.D @ May 4 2012, 11:27 AM) *
Right decision. I don't want to go back to square one with a Rijkaard or Van Basten and let's face it, unless we add important players to the squad great managers won't risk their reputation to take this job. Max deserves one more year, hopefully with a healthy squad and a few good signings in the areas we're lacking. we should be OK.

Allegri's problem has always been his stubborn streak and pig headed attitude. He needs to fnd common ground with his players, especially the seniors who will be given a new contract.

What worries me is his attitude. If he's not willing to budge on certain issues such as the creative mid issue which has plagued us all season, than it will be another trophyless season next year. He needs to stop with this all muscle BS or we'll never achive anything, especially in Europe. and he needs to break up with Muntari because I simply cannot suffer through an entire season watching that idiot stumbling around in our shirt
Jack Sparrow
It's not Muntari that bothers me. It's the fact that Muntari plays where we should have a creative figure..that bothers me.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 4 2012, 02:58 PM) *
It's not Muntari that bothers me. It's the fact that Muntari plays where we should have a creative figure..that bothers me.


Precisely. I've already stated that I have no problem with Muntari being Nocerino's sub or playing sometimes instead of him, but what irks me is that Allegri deploys him as a playmaker, which is pretty insane.
han2503
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 4 2012, 12:58 PM) *
It's not Muntari that bothers me. It's the fact that Muntari plays where we should have a creative figure..that bothers me.

Nah, it's him that bothers me, simply because he ruins everything he touches. Even if it was Aqui on the right and him on the left. I would still be pulling my hair out everytime I see him try to make some 'adventerous' play and instead he ends up looking like a complete tool. Or even watching him wait around for a pass instead of running for it and we lose the ball, or even worse, when he attempts to make the most easiest of passes and somehow manages to screw it up

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 4 2012, 01:16 PM) *
Precisely. I've already stated that I have no problem with Muntari being Nocerino's sub or playing sometimes instead of him, but what irks me is that Allegri deploys him as a playmaker, which is pretty insane.

But that still means you don't want him anywhere near the pitch as a regular, even if he's not taking Aqui's place
Zed.D
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he ruins everything he touches


Han, you're exaggerating.
han2503
QUOTE (Zed.D @ May 4 2012, 06:34 PM) *
Han, you're exaggerating.

If you think I'm exxagerating then you haven't been watching him closely enough. You're willing to cover one eye and let it slide for some reason
Zed.D
LOL

If you think he's ruined everything he's touched then YOU have not been watching closely enough. I'm not defending him, he hasn't been good for us overall, but you're just exaggerating about how bad he is.

I've also noticed that it doesn't matter whether he has a disastrous game or just a bad one, you'll bash him BEFORE and AFTER the game to the same extent all the time anyway!
Fillipo Simone
He's done it before with Ambrosini, I'm just glad he's found Muntari now so I can calmly watch matches with Ambro and read our matchthread posts, mostly agreeing with Han tongue.gif biggrin.gif

Anyway, he tends to bend his theory to extremes. No, Muntari isn't an idiot and he certainly does things right, occasionally. But point is, in a sane world he'd have almost nothing to offer to a team/club like Milan.
Zed.D
^^ This I can agree with.
drucurl
Wow. Anyone read $itlegri's latest interview? I really hope it's just a translation issue...otherwise what an arrogant obstinate moron :wow:
han2503
QUOTE (drucurl @ May 26 2012, 05:50 PM) *
Wow. Anyone read $itlegri's latest interview? I really hope it's just a translation issue...otherwise what an arrogant obstinate moron :wow:

It probably isn't, we've heard all this BS before.
drucurl
QUOTE (han2503 @ May 27 2012, 07:32 AM) *
It probably isn't, we've heard all this BS before.

How could he be so dismissive when asked about his communication problem with the players? dry.gif
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MILAN / FOOTBALL Allegri: "Berlusconi has promised me, Ibrahimovic and Thiago Silva will remain"


In London, after the defeat to Arsenal, there was a bit 'more of a discussion ...
"But Ibra has realized that it was totally inappropriate. What is great about him is that discussions are over in five minutes. I have had discussions with many players, even with Zlatan when he was wrong. But Milan in this time can not be separated from Thiago and Ibra. And Pato. The next season should be his. "

Some critics might say that letting go away Pirlo is not a normal thing.
"And I would say that the departure of Pirlo at Milan was also a choice by Andrea and society. If Juve had not won the league so I would not be bothered with this story. The year before Pirlo
did not play because it was not well, but we won the championship and nobody said anything. "

He gets angry when they say players like claws muscle?
"No, but it is not true. We played with at least one quality midfielder until we have had available. Would protest usually four attacking players, which is a median Nocerino more offensive than defensive. "

So the label of killer quality does not bother ...
"I have not killed anyone, let alone Pirlo. Go elsewhere with other motivation is good. And it was nice to amend Count those that were his initial ideas and Pirlo put in the position he prefers. "


Changing the athletic training?
"There will be no revolutions. dry.gif Will anything change as we have to analyze and to learn from the mistakes made. But there's no one to put on
the dock. "


How do you respond to players who speak little of the blame?
"I wonder why, just talk only with those who do not play ... Unfortunately sometimes when you play a word is not enough, nor two, or one hundred. From players, it is hardly self-critical. But I value training and playing, the rest does not interest me. "

When he saw that Chelsea won the Champions league what did you think?
"Thank goodness I did not go catenaccio like Di Matteo, otherwise I would be massacred. " Joke, only an ignorant person can reduce a great tactical match with the term "catenaccio". Chelsea did well. "

The reproach of being a bit 'static thinking in football. For the next season will change anything in the game system?
"Sure, I'll play with 2-3-2-1-2".

But it is a 5-3-2 ...
"Why, what is the 4-2-4? A 4-4-2. But the coaches who give numbers like a lot."

Maybe I'm reading too much between the lines here but he comes off as arrogant and unaffected....and stubborn as f**k. He also seems to be laying more blame on the players than on his own $h!t methods.
Of course I'm not his biggest fan so my perception may be somewhat skewed innocent.gif
CHU-LIP
Changing the athletic training?
"There will be no revolutions.''

this is very worrying

this is something that simply needs revolutions
Bluesummers
QUOTE (drucurl @ May 27 2012, 07:24 PM) *
How could he be so dismissive when asked about his communication problem with the players? dry.gif

Maybe I'm reading too much between the lines here but he comes off as arrogant and unaffected....and stubborn as f**k. He also seems to be laying more blame on the players than on his own $h!t methods.
Of course I'm not his biggest fan so my perception may be somewhat skewed innocent.gif

All coaches are arrogant, it comes with the trade. I've yet to meet one or see one that isn't as such. Even the greats, capello, fergi, mou, del bosque etc etc.. are all arrogant.
acid911
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 7 2012, 12:44 PM) *
All coaches are arrogant, it comes with the trade. I've yet to meet one or see one that isn't as such. Even the greats, capello, fergi, mou, del bosque etc etc.. are all arrogant.

And you, Blue? innocent.gif Would you be lying if you said you are not arrogant? unsure.gif Or are you a tad more humble, understanding, and down-to-earth? Just asking.
Zed.D
Guardiola.

I read he once said he'd be nothing without these players somewhere else, but they would equally shine in every other team. not the exact quote but something alone those lines.


I know deep down he might not believe it himself, but he wouldn't have said it if he was arrogant (or wasn't humble) enough.
Bluesummers
QUOTE (acid911 @ Jun 7 2012, 03:35 AM) *
And you, Blue? innocent.gif Would you be lying if you said you are not arrogant? unsure.gif Or are you a tad more humble, understanding, and down-to-earth? Just asking.


oh yeah ofcourse me too. You have to be its just how the job is.
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 7 2012, 03:16 PM) *
Guardiola.

I read he once said he'd be nothing without these player somewhere else, but they would equally shine in every other team. not the exact quote but something alone those lines.


I know deep down he might not believe it himself, but he wouldn't have said it if he was arrogant (or wasn't humble) enough.

He's no different, its just hard to be as arrogant in public as the rest when you have messi xavi and iniesta in your group. Don't think for a second that he double guesses himself as a coach. You don't win as much as he does just because of the players in ur squad and he knows that.

Zed.D
Yea I guess you're right.
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