The failures have to be blamed on someone, but why is it always Max? I wouldn't mind if he got praise for success, but he does not. That's why it's silly. It's difficult to take those seriously that blamed the Inter loss on him though.

Really?

So I guess there's no point in arguing then.

I dunno why you guys pay so much attention to this non-Milanista. The guy knows and cares nothing for our tradition. Just another gloryhunter

The facts are even with Shevchenko at his peak we were hardly ever a one man team. Heck not even with Van Basten. BUT NOW $#!tlegri has INSTITUTIONALIZED the "play the ball to iBra" tactic with an endless supply of goons behind him. Yeah we might win the league again but I'd rather lose it and keep our identity than be some kinda inter ripoff

Glad I decided to read that. I'll be the bigger man and not respond to an attack on my character. Cool story bro.

you make it out to seem given our injuries we were destined to lose to lazio regardless of who we fielded. as far as this lazio match is concerned, are you willing to blame and chastise ambrosini for being the complete hindrance to our fluidity in the final third that he was? or do you think, well, ambrosini shouldn't be asked to play in that position, and perhaps the coach misplaced him in his team sheet. im certainly not willing to blame ambrosini. Is it his fault he's not a great box to box mid at this point? I grit my teeth with frustration when I see him played in the box to box role, but not because i dislike him as a player. in fact, when MvB is rested and ambro is played in his position, im generally satisfied with what he does there. ALLEGRI shouldn't have played him there to begin with. Invoke the injury situation all you want as a defense. Perhaps you're right, and we were bound to lose to lazio regardless. But some of us would have liked to see some shred of tactical knowhow and field seedorf there regardless, that midfield CLEARLY did NOT need another defensive midfielder!

and yes, the inter loss is allegri's fault, because urby should NEVER be played as a trequartista. that is just simply not what hes good at..and I can even cut allegri a break and allow him to do that against say, lecce or siena (like milanbuff88 said - in small matches/injury crisis it's fine once in a while if that's what he chooses to do). but not F'ing inter milan. An inter milan team that is clinical in the defensive phase, and not much else. And those who say the 'creativity' problem isn't a viable criticism of Allegri. PLEASE - point out the creativity in a van bommel, nocerino, boateng, urby midfield?! Yes, you're right in saying that we had all the possession in that match - cuz that's bound to happen against Inter. The only way to find a way to goal is with some attacking ingenuity in the side! Yet Allegri started with both El Sha and Seedorf on the bench. Tactics wrong.

AND THEN...in the one match we ought to employ a destructive midfield - against Barca..Allegri fields a seedorf, aquilani, mvb midfield! who is supposed to cover ground against Barca's pacy/tricky players?! arsene wenger was as naive against barca with his midfield selection, and he got ripped to shreds because his defense sucks and they couldn't cope. the ONLY reason Allegri didn't was because of Thiago Silva and Nesta. again, tactics - incorrect.

And generally speaking, Kevin Prince-Boateng is not a trequartista! He is a box to box midfielder and ought to be fielded in the midfield. I've been begging for a Boateng-MvB-Aqua mid + Robi-Pato-Ibra attack. Boateng has worked behind the strikers in serie a in the past..yes. However we have European ambitions. And every opponent that we've faced with any chance of competing in Europe within Serie A, we've lost to this season. That should be our measuring stick. sorry, Juve and Inter were awful last year, and we were better than Napoli this season. We won a weak Serie A last year.

Our Scudetto last season has not instilled blind faith in Allegri. I guess that's all i can say for myself - and a few others here.

PS - be easy dru, he's not an inter fan for f*cks sake. lol geez.

Like I said earlier, I disagree with a lot of what you said, but I'm not getting into it regarding Allegri. If you want to debate him with someone, that someone isn't going to be me.

Why does everyone keep saying that we've lost to every big team so far anyway? we beat Roma at their own backyard; something we hadn't done in years. even if we've beaten just one big team [so far], you should acknowledge it. and before anyone says Roma suck, they're not a direct rival, blah blah, I guarantee, had we beaten Lazio, the same would be said about them. at least Roma have always been a tough team for us to beat while Lazio, we used to beat them for fun.

I'm sure come the end of the season, the argument that we lose to every big team will no longer hold water. with our important players back from injury we should be able to do better in big games.

He's not the only one who is supporting Allegri here...and Milan being his #2 club is good enough reason for him to be here.

If he were a gloryhunter he'd have left long ago. And you can't speak for his care of tradition, only perhaps that he disagrees with your interpretation of tradition.

Sorry....but you're flaming without cause or provocation here and I'm happy kurt decided to not make a big deal about it. You're gonna have to stop that dru, I doubt you will take it back.

It's not up to you who is and is not a member of this forum or judge their motivation for being on here. kurt's been a member longer than you I reckon. So..

Cease fire champ. Not cool.

Well said, Jack.

Thank you, Jack.

If I weren't a Milan fan, I wouldn't be here - like you said and I wouldn't be in the minority defending the current coach. As for gloryhunter, he criticises my following of another team, a team that's won no league title since 6 years before my birth.

Why are there any personal attacks to begin with??

Just agree to disagree on this issue.

Having said that, these upcoming fixtures for me, will either seel Allegri's faith, or redeem him. But personally I think this could be the month we lose the title, as well as crash out of the CL.

If this happens than Allegri will be fired come June

It's not about going easy or not. Allegri is simply not good for Milan. I will always oppose his supporters for this. I am not by any means an Ibrahimovic fan but the brutal truth is with out him Milan would be thoroughly lost ATM. Allegri fans seem incapable of acknowledging a systematic abandonment of what I (wrongly or not) associate with our traditions.

Still no reason for personal attack though! Everyone who posts here has differing views whether they be right or wrong, if we all agreed then it would be a boring place. We all support Milan and should be accommodating of others views.

Great,just great

What do you guys think Allegri will do this time?Start with 3DMS again and bench El sharaawy,or play Seedorf instead of Ambro?

Last match he made a mistake with the 3DM formation. So..that gives him the chance to make a step in the right direction this time which could last...I say 2-3 matches. Then it's back to -1.

I understand your sentiment but I respectfully disagree.

If other than kaka's heroics you can recall the last time Milan was such a lifeless unimaginative one dimensional blue collar one man team then I'd happily recant. Continued support of Allegri betrays an ambivalence towards what we proud Milan fans associate with out football.

We achieved league glory under Allegri and his fans constantly refer to this 'feat' as justification of his support. However as the agent of his Lord and Saviour once remarked 'you don't buy a ferarri and drive it like a fiat'. So many fine resources have been wasted, mismanaged and discarded by Allegri yet his proponents incredibly paint our team as a talentless one...yet fail to see the actual talent we once had and is yet to slip through our fingers ....yes Pato

Guy spends most of the time correcting HIS own mistakes then gets praise for his "tactical adjustments"

+1. And it's not the first time he's done it and not the first time he targeted Kurt. I hope the mods are gonna enforce the rule about it eventually.

Pato's problems are on Pato, not Allegri. He can't stay healthy and he can't be relied upon. Carlo was 1 for 8 in the league. Allegri is 1 for 1. BIG difference. Carlo had much better squads to work with. Specifically in midfield. I don't think anyone in our current midfield would start during the Ancelotti era. Half would struggle to even make the squad. You're clearly biased against Allegri and you personally attack anyone who doesn't agree with you.

Very similar to when we win it's down to the players, yet when we lose it's definitely Allegri's fault

No I don't personallyattack anyone unprovoked. Never. Also you're conveniently neglecting Ancelotti's CL dominance where Milan always did well and won it twice. I'd take that with only one league success again happily

See here's what's I'm trying to say. I'm almost completely in agreement with you on Allegri, since I don't like his style either. I only oppose the way you took your frustration with Allegri out on kurt. That was not right.

He is free to support Allegri..the same way you are free to oppose Max. And we have to respect each other's views. Poke all the footballing logic holes you can find in kurt's points...I doubt anyone here will have a problem.

Judging someone based on his opinion is not something we can allow unfortunately. Coz kurt supports Max...and you oppose him..does not saying anything more about his personality or yours...just your own individual preferences.

They'd have to exist first.

really?

yes because if offered aguero, messi, C. ronaldo, he would systematically refuse so that Ibra would remain the focal point... I have never seen a forum put up with so much blatantly ridiculous hate-speak (and on my NYG board there's a few *Eagles posters).

*Most savage fans in the global history of sport

Which NYG board do you use? I browse BBI a bit, not signed up though.

Well he DID have Ronaldinho who is mode talented than anyone in your list above, he has/had whatever the most highly rated young striker on the world in Pato. He had a pretty good if massively overrated CM in Pirlo. But he simply couldn't use them. In the case of Ron and Andrea both were good before and after Allegri. I'm betting Pato's career would follow a similar path if he left and shook his injury bug

Onto the injury bug...I'm convinced more and more that it might be our training regimen...rather than any computer virus in Milan lab.

Does anyone know of Allegri's luck with injuries when he was at Cagliari?

Don't be silly dru, the Ronaldinho we got (especially under Max) was a washed-up ghost of the player that would outclass Messi or Ronaldo in his best Barca days (even that is debatable). just because his name was Ronaldinho doesn't mean anything. they guy was finished. look where he ended up at 30, the Brazilian league. not even at City or PSG. Pirlo? he was injured most of the season and then left because of contract issues. that's what I think happened. it had little do to with Max.

And another thing, you seem to think just because a few here support Max means they think he's not incompetent in any way. in my case, not necessarily. I think he's the best he can afford right now, there's no one out there that could come and do a better job than him. after 3-4 years of absolute mediocrity we're back to winning ways. granted we're not doing it Barca-style and there's many deficiencies in our game that can be blamed on Max, but we're still winning. for me that's a good enough reason to be supportive of him. that said, at the end of the season, should we flop in the CL/fail to retain our title, and a world class manager becomes available I'd be glad for us to part ways with Max.

Good, now let's blame the injuries on Max as well we've struggled with this **** since long before anyone knew who Allegri was.

Exactly my point of view.

Why so aggressive? You see frustrated to me. Jack only suggested it may come from the training sessions. It's known to happen. Check Ottmar Hitzfeld for example.

Not often we agree Zeddie, but the above goes for me too.

We sound like Madrid 7 or so years ago with Capello. He was a winner, but who cares, he didn't do it the Madrid way?

But Kurt, honestly, your problem is that you simply mix apples and pineapples. Why once again irritate Milan fans with comparing Capello to Allegri? Don't you see how wrong this can be interpreted? You really think it's a good comparison?

The comparison I am making isn't with the coach, it's with the handling of the coach.

For what it's worth, anyone can be compared with anyone in my view. Problem with a lot of people is that for some reason they don't allow this, bizzarely.

I did certainly not say it isn't allowed, nor do I find it bizarre: it's finesse and sensibility.

Exactly. A non-Milanista would never understand what certain things and ppl mean to us. Back on the other forum there was a Manure fan who sought to compare Rio to Nesta .

So it comes as no surprise that Allegri transforming us to Mancini's Inter to scrape up a single scudetto with the best team in Italy would impress some.

"Best squad in Italy". Pretty sure Inter were reigning Italian and European Champions you clown.

Kurt, is that really necessary??

Ronaldinho came here extremely washed up no arguments there. But under Leo he made quite a lot of progress. It saddens me just how short term our memories can be and how a little temporary success can cloud our memories to the past. I believe that Ron finished up that season with the most assists in Europe. I won't deny he had his problems but he's currently in the shape of his life and back on his national team. Pirlo was also very useful both before and acre Max. Even players like Borri and Antonini looked decent under Leo. Seriously, other than Nesta and Silva I can't think (right now) of ONE of our original squad members who hasn't had problems under Max

Seems nobody is doing anything about him repeatedly calling me a gloryhunter, so whatever.

Clown and gloryhunter ain't being the same thing or the same level, right?

Pretty sure me labelling him something of my amusement and him making an attack on my character aren't on the same level, you're right.