han2503
Jan 28 2012, 12:48 PM
Back to the Serie A and a must win for us in this one seeing as Juve play Udine and we have a mother of a fixture list coming our way, Lazio, Napoli, Udine and Juve... Ouch, and with all the injuries we have...
Anyways, hoping to see this line-up
Abate--Nesta--Thiago--Mesbah
Seedorf--VB--Nocerino
Robinho
El Shaa--Ibra
William405
Jan 28 2012, 02:04 PM
Attacking lineup there han

.I prefer emmanuelson instead of Seedorf.
Fillipo Simone
Jan 28 2012, 02:28 PM
Emanuelson? No, I really think he's better suited as a fullback.
William405
Jan 28 2012, 02:36 PM
I disagree,he works best as a midfielder,where he doesn't have the biggest defensive responsibilites.He can operate very well as a wide midfielder,his passing skills are really good and his vision is not bad(as seen in the assist for Ibra).He's similar to Nocerino.He might not sheild the ball in the best manner though,and not enough physical stength(that can be said about Seedorf too,but he's a master at shielding the ball).You said it yourself that he did well at fullback when Inter were gone all defense.
Fillipo Simone
Jan 28 2012, 02:44 PM
I know. To be honest, I don't like the guy. As I said earlier, he's the type of player small clubs adore - he can fill out almost every position from defender to attacker, yet he isn't actually good in any role. He's mediocre at best, and that's why I'd prefer Seedorf over him at any day and any age.
William405
Jan 28 2012, 03:01 PM
I'm just bit afraid about the physical aspect of the game,but if we play with the great heart and determination that we played against Lazio,then this formation will be more than OK.
han2503
Jan 28 2012, 03:02 PM
QUOTE (William405 @ Jan 28 2012, 02:04 PM)

Attacking lineup there han

.I prefer emmanuelson instead of Seedorf.
I don't see that as an attacking lineup, we're still utilising the 2 defensive mids, and Robinho will form part of the 4-man midfield as well. It's a well balanced line-up imo
As fur Urby, Like Filippo, I prefer him as FB, although he does well on the turn when he's in the midfield, still I feel that we need that creative touch in midfield, some vision to link up the plays, keep the ball moving, etc. Seedorf will do that for us
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jan 28 2012, 02:28 PM)

Emanuelson? No, I really think he's better suited as a fullback.
Agreed
Fillipo Simone
Jan 28 2012, 03:13 PM
The problem with Emanuelson is that he tends to fall out of formation, drifting to the sides and making a big whole in our midfield. Add Bonera as CB to that and we have a Swiss-cheese problem.
William405
Jan 28 2012, 03:31 PM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 28 2012, 04:02 PM)

I don't see that as an attacking lineup, we're still utilising the 2 defensive mids, and Robinho will form part of the 4-man midfield as well. It's a well balanced line-up imo
As fur Urby, Like Filippo, I prefer him as FB, although he does well on the turn when he's in the midfield, still I feel that we need that creative touch in midfield, some vision to link up the plays, keep the ball moving, etc. Seedorf will do that for us
Agreed
Nocerino can't be considered a defensive midfield.He's more of a box to box midfielder.And,we utilize a system on the wide side,where our wide midfielders cover our fullbacks,a job which Seedorf isn't that bad at at,when he is motivated(hopefully).Van Bommel is the only one covering our center backs.So,we are really playing with one Defensive midfield,and that should do if everyone does his job.
CHU-LIP
Jan 28 2012, 03:36 PM
QUOTE (William405 @ Jan 28 2012, 04:31 PM)

Nocerino can't be considered a defensive midfield.He's more of a box to box midfielder.And,we utilize a system on the wide side,where our wide midfielders cover our fullbacks,a job which Seedorf isn't that bad at at,when he is motivated(hopefully).Van Bommel is the only one covering our center backs.So,we are really playing with one Defensive midfield,and that should do if everyone does his job.
Exactly!
Emanuelson does more defending than Nocerino. I would like Urby starting at RCM, so that Seedorf can play on his good side: LCM.
han2503
Jan 28 2012, 04:25 PM
QUOTE (William405 @ Jan 28 2012, 03:31 PM)

Nocerino can't be considered a defensive midfield.He's more of a box to box midfielder.And,we utilize a system on the wide side,where our wide midfielders cover our fullbacks,a job which Seedorf isn't that bad at at,when he is motivated(hopefully).Van Bommel is the only one covering our center backs.So,we are really playing with one Defensive midfield,and that should do if everyone does his job.
Nocerino is a defensive midfielder, yes he makes late runs into the box, but he covers spaces in our midfield and that is his main job, more than running into the box.
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Jan 28 2012, 03:36 PM)

Exactly!
Emanuelson does more defending than Nocerino. I would like Urby starting at RCM, so that Seedorf can play on his good side: LCM.
You want to drop Nocerino? For Urby??
Oh my...
William405
Jan 28 2012, 04:30 PM
Nocerino has been playing non stop for sometime now,though I wouldn't take such a risk for such an important game.
Fillipo Simone
Jan 28 2012, 06:01 PM
Coppa was the chance to do so; I wouldn't risk it now.
Jack Bauer
Jan 28 2012, 06:38 PM
I wouldn't play Seedorf just in order to keep him for tougher games. After this game, our next 4 games are against top teams and it's every 3 days: Lazio midweek, then Napoli, Juve in the coppa (Nocerino is suspended there) and Udinese. We can beat Cagliari without him.
han2503
Jan 28 2012, 07:24 PM
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Jan 28 2012, 06:38 PM)

I wouldn't play Seedorf just in order to keep him for tougher games. After this game, our next 4 games are against top teams and it's every 3 days: Lazio midweek, then Napoli, Juve in the coppa (Nocerino is suspended there) and Udinese. We can beat Cagliari without him.
We'll see what happens, yes we should be able to cope without him since Robinho will be behind the strikers. I didn't know Lazio was during the middle of the week though
Jack Bauer
Jan 28 2012, 07:58 PM
That was one of the problems in the beginning of the season is that he had to play every 3 days. At this stage of his career we need to use him wisely. Cagliari at San Siro is no threat to us.
han2503
Jan 28 2012, 08:00 PM
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Jan 28 2012, 07:58 PM)

That was one of the problems in the beginning of the season is that he had to play every 3 days. At this stage of his career we need to use him wisely. Cagliari at San Siro is no threat to us.
I'm sure Juve had the same thought and they lost points against them

That being said, we
should be able to get the job done while resting Seedorf for Lazio.
Oh and btw, Thiago is not called up for this one
Jack Bauer
Jan 28 2012, 08:06 PM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 28 2012, 11:00 PM)

I'm sure Juve had the same thought and they lost points against them

That being said, we
should be able to get the job done while resting Seedorf for Lazio.
Oh and btw, Thiago is not called up for this one
We already beat them away, nothing to be scared about
Silva has inflammation in the groin, doubtful for the Lazio game as well.
Fillipo Simone
Jan 28 2012, 08:11 PM
This means Bonera starting, right?
William405
Jan 28 2012, 08:17 PM
Mexes?!!!!?
Jack Bauer
Jan 28 2012, 08:21 PM
Yep, Mexes - Nesta.
Fillipo Simone
Jan 28 2012, 08:35 PM
Yeah, slipped my mind. Great.
CHU-LIP
Jan 29 2012, 01:08 AM
QUOTE (William405 @ Jan 28 2012, 05:30 PM)

Nocerino has been playing non stop for sometime now,though I wouldn't take such a risk for such an important game.
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jan 28 2012, 07:01 PM)

Coppa was the chance to do so; I wouldn't risk it now.
Do you guys know the schedule? Milan at home against Cagliari looks like easy compared to what is following...
It actually is a good game to rest players.
KillerMax
Jan 29 2012, 04:47 AM
Excited about Nesta Mexes. If they give us the clean sheet, I can see the attackers scoring one or two.
Fillipo Simone
Jan 29 2012, 09:56 AM
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Jan 29 2012, 01:08 AM)

Do you guys know the schedule? Milan at home against Cagliari looks like easy compared to what is following...
It actually is a good game to rest players.
Actually I did not know Lazio was midweek, just like Han.
X-Offender
Jan 29 2012, 11:08 AM
Probable line-up: Abbiati; Abate, Nesta, Mexes, Antonini; Van Bommel, Ambrosini, Nocerino; Seedorf; Robinho, Ibrahimovic.
Source: Mediaset
We have too many injuries.
Fillipo Simone
Jan 29 2012, 12:29 PM
How typical of Allegri not to extend his trust in Mesbah but rather "test" one more time how liable Antonini is.
William405
Jan 29 2012, 12:38 PM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jan 29 2012, 01:29 PM)

How typical of Allegri not to extend his trust in Mesbah but rather "test" one more time how liable Antonini is.
I think he has fitness problems,not 100percent sure.
KillerMax
Jan 29 2012, 02:05 PM
QUOTE (William405 @ Jan 29 2012, 05:38 AM)

I think he has fitness problems,not 100percent sure.
Yeah, apparently he still hasn't recovered from our last game due to not being 100% fit.
han2503
Jan 29 2012, 02:24 PM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jan 29 2012, 12:29 PM)

How typical of Allegri not to extend his trust in Mesbah but rather "test" one more time how liable Antonini is.
And to not give El Shaa a Serie A start in order to play Ambro in a 3 DM midfield

So typical. Last Sunday's stagnant performance was not enough to show him that that kind of midfield simply cannot function
I_Rossoneri
Jan 29 2012, 04:19 PM
Wow, let's all bash Allegri because of a speculated formation! Perhaps we should wait until kickoff before we start bashing
Jack Sparrow
Jan 29 2012, 04:35 PM
Where's the fun in that. We're a bunch of beer guzzling, testosterone fueled wimpy male dudes who ooze cyber machismo. WE DO NOW WAIT. WE ARE NOT LEVEL HEADED. AND WE SURE AS HELL ARE NOT GIVING A SCUDETTO WINNING COACH - BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT!!
Man...Allegri you sorry piece of cr@P!!!
/end-rant
That formation does seem likely though. Primarily because we don't have enough personnel.
han2503
Jan 29 2012, 04:39 PM
QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Jan 29 2012, 04:19 PM)

Wow, let's all bash Allegri because of a speculated formation! Perhaps we should wait until kickoff before we start bashing

Are you seriously trying to question the fact that Allegri would come out with a defensive and negative formation?

We went out with the same mess last weekend and it didn't work until he made the changes the we should have started with, let's try it again to see if it works this time around

Typical Allegri
Fillipo Simone
Jan 29 2012, 04:40 PM
Who's bashing anyone?
nuh
Jan 29 2012, 06:03 PM
i really want maxi to play this game...i'm really curious to see what he could offer us
han2503
Jan 29 2012, 06:24 PM
QUOTE (nuh @ Jan 29 2012, 06:03 PM)

i really want maxi to play this game...i'm really curious to see what he could offer us
Maxi playing means no time for El Shaa, he's a typical average striker imo, I can't see him offering us anything we don't already have
CHU-LIP
Jan 29 2012, 06:34 PM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 29 2012, 07:24 PM)

Maxi playing means no time for El Shaa, he's a typical average striker imo, I can't see him offering us anything we don't already have
He does offers something differently, but mostly depth. And I believe he is purely signed as depth, and maybe also because he's a tall striker (we have mostly supporting strikers). I think and hope Maxi López is the last man in order (except for Pippo). Especially after El Shaarawy's impressive games it only makes sense he gets preferred over Maxi López. Stephan is our future, and very skilled already. We just needed someone more, since we only had Ibrahimovic, Robinho and Stephan available, and Pippo...
And it's a loan right? (With option to buy.) He just is here to solve the injury stuff (Cassano, Pato), and leave in Summer (like Milan is going to spend money on him?).
nuh
Jan 29 2012, 06:38 PM
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Jan 29 2012, 06:34 PM)

He does offers something differently, but mostly depth. And I believe he is purely signed as depth, and maybe also because he's a tall striker (we have mostly supporting strikers). I think and hope Maxi López is the last man in order (except for Pippo). Especially after El Shaarawy's impressive games it only makes sense he gets preferred over Maxi López. Stephan is our future, and very skilled already. We just needed someone more, since we only had Ibrahimovic, Robinho and Stephan available, and Pippo...
And it's a loan right? (With option to buy.) He just is here to solve the injury stuff (Cassano, Pato), and leave in Summer (like Milan is going to spend money on him?).
apparently galliani wants to keep him after that too
CHU-LIP
Jan 29 2012, 06:42 PM
QUOTE (nuh @ Jan 29 2012, 07:38 PM)

apparently galliani wants to keep him after that too

Maybe he says that to give the player a confidence boost (which benefit Milan when he plays for us). At least I hope so? Or at least let's see first what he does for us this season obviously before making that decision. He needs to
earn a stay, if anything. But the price we would have to pay for him is quite a lot, I think? Is it 7 mio?! Because then he should be send back in any case. With his age and averageness, it's a bad investment.
Jack Sparrow
Jan 29 2012, 06:43 PM
Dunno. The price remains a secret. According to the Catania Prez as well.
KillerMax
Jan 29 2012, 06:52 PM
Catania turned down 9 mill in order to give him to Milan... I can't see the price being much less than that.
Jack Sparrow
Jan 29 2012, 06:54 PM
Oh..we will give Catania a few co-ownerships.

Uncle Fester is to our primavera what pimp is to ho!
KillerMax
Jan 29 2012, 07:01 PM
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jan 29 2012, 11:54 AM)

Oh..we will give Catania a few co-ownerships.

Uncle Fester is to our primavera what pimp is to ho!

You made me heehee

Keep it up and I might forgive you for your recent atrocities.
han2503
Jan 29 2012, 07:15 PM
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Jan 29 2012, 06:34 PM)

He does offers something differently, but mostly depth. And I believe he is purely signed as depth, and maybe also because he's a tall striker (we have mostly supporting strikers). I think and hope Maxi López is the last man in order (except for Pippo). Especially after El Shaarawy's impressive games it only makes sense he gets preferred over Maxi López. Stephan is our future, and very skilled already. We just needed someone more, since we only had Ibrahimovic, Robinho and Stephan available, and Pippo...
And it's a loan right? (With option to buy.) He just is here to solve the injury stuff (Cassano, Pato), and leave in Summer (like Milan is going to spend money on him?).
Like Max said, the price for him would have to be around the 8m region. Galliani won't spend 6m out-right for Aqui, why he would spend 8m on a 5th choice striker when we have an abbundance of talent in the position
CHU-LIP
Jan 29 2012, 07:39 PM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 29 2012, 08:15 PM)

Like Max said, the price for him would have to be around the 8m region. Galliani won't spend 6m out-right for Aqui, why he would spend 8m on a 5th choice striker when we have an abbundance of talent in the position
Of course Galliani won't.
Milan just wanted to fix the forward depth in a cheap way / without spending money ..by giving both Maxi López and Catania false hope that he will be purchased eventually
I_Rossoneri
Jan 29 2012, 07:49 PM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 29 2012, 03:39 PM)

Are you seriously trying to question the fact that Allegri would come out with a defensive and negative formation? 
We went out with the same mess last weekend and it didn't work until he made the changes the we should have started with, let's try it again to see if it works this time around

Typical Allegri
If we're so 'negaitve' then how come we're one of the top scoring teams in the Serie A? I think we need four more goals to reach 50 and that's after 20 rounds! If that's negative then I'd love to see your definition of positive football - perhaps you should watch La Liga?
I_Rossoneri
Jan 29 2012, 08:01 PM
OFFICIAL "XI" VS CAGLIARI (4-3-1-2): Abbiati_Abate-Nesta-Mexes-Mesbah_Seedorf-Van Bommel-Nocerino_Emanuelson_Ibrahimovic-Robinho
Let the bashing begin...
X-Offender
Jan 29 2012, 08:04 PM
Better Emanuelson as AM then a Nocerino-MvB-Ambrosini midfield.
William405
Jan 29 2012, 08:05 PM
Better than playing Ambrosini as a midfielder.
EDIT:lol
han2503
Jan 29 2012, 08:05 PM
QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Jan 29 2012, 07:49 PM)

If we're so 'negaitve' then how come we're one of the top scoring teams in the Serie A? I think we need four more goals to reach 50 and that's after 20 rounds! If that's negative then I'd love to see your definition of positive football - perhaps you should watch La Liga?

Even if we scored a lot, that does not mean that you play positive, attacking football. We play a very stagnant, workman-like game. Most of our goals come from our attackers in terms of build-up, not through the midfield
QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Jan 29 2012, 08:01 PM)

OFFICIAL "XI" VS CAGLIARI (4-3-1-2): Abbiati_Abate-Nesta-Mexes-Mesbah_Seedorf-Van Bommel-Nocerino_Emanuelson_Ibrahimovic-Robinho
Let the bashing begin...
Oh my...
And who wouldn't complain with that? Typical Allegri!
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