So Ambro does? Seedorf is slow, but he's a million times smarter then Ambro. I trust him more not to make silly passes, lose the ball or make rash tackles in dangerous areas that's for sure.

Seedorf played there against Udinese last season and we all remember how it ended. If there's an emergensy, we can play Silva there, especially if Nesta and Mexes both fit.

I remember lots of good games of Seedorf playing in front of the defense (it started against Spurs, others followed), but I guess if you can name one game where he didn't do well, he probably sucks there...

And Mexes is not really fit, and I don't feel like seeing Bonera even more often than we do now. And Yepes and Nesta together is also not really a good combination. No, we need Silva in central defense, and Seedorf has proven to be a good anchor, I actually would prefer him over anyone at the moment, unless Van Bommel comes back to form.

Seedorf didn't play that position against Udine... He was terrible, but not because of the position if you are in fact correct. It was just one of the usual bombers Seedorf has once or twice in a season where he's just not bad but pain-stakingly horrible.

No matter his faults, he's still a hundred times the played Ambro is, no matter the position

Most of Seedorf's good games in the second half of last season were as the LCM and he should mostly play there.

I'm not talking about now (MvB is fit now), I'm talking about possible future situation of emergency (if MvB will be injured for a while) and if then Nesta and Mexes will be fit, I would rather see Silva there than Seedorf. Silva in front of these two will make life very difficult for the opponent to score.

So Seedorf should only play LCM? I can't agree with that. Nocerino is our starting LCM, and we need someone to play anchor.

I said mostly, not only. And yes, at this stage of his career he's better as LCM. We have someone to play anchor - MvB. If he won't be fit, we'll see what the injury state is, but I rate Silva there above Seedorf. But it won't matter because Max gonna play Ambro as second choice for sure.

That is true, but it does not mean that he can't play the regista position. What I initially said was that he's a better option then Ambro there if it really came down to it

Silva anywhere other then in the center of defence is such a huge waste I wouldn't even know where to start listing reasons as to why he shouldn't be played there

He can play there, but not as well as he used to. I wasn't talking about Ambro at all. For me, they are both equally not good options there.

It's a waste but it's not a big waste if you have another two great CB in Nesta and Mexes. Playing all 3 will without doubt improve our defense.

But that was my original point which started this debate. That I'd rather play Seedorf there these days before starting Ambro

Still, no matter which way you put it, it's just something that I don't think should be done. You're moving a top 5 CB in the world right now to a position where he's just good in. If it really came down to a huge emergency, then ok. But like I said, I'd rather play another midfielder there like Aqui or Nocerino, or even Montolivo now that he's surely on his way. Then waste Thiago in midfield

Funny, Catania thread, Milan playing, Zambro+Ibra+Robinho+Seedorf scoring, yet Ambrosini mentioned more then 50% above these "key words". It's a ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam - syndrome.

I think one of those was an own goal

Seedorf was marked as scorer, no??

I don't know for sure. But it was clearly an own goal since the catania player kicked the ball onto the post and it went in

Just checked. It was given as an own goal to Lodi

Eh, you learn a new thing every day!

It's an OG according to the source I use for my stats page.

good game

I’m getting pretty annoyed at the way some posters try to browbeat you with their empty rhetoric.
The overuse of the following lines:
1. It’s not your money
2. He’s the coach not you
3. He sees the players in training more than you
4. He has his coaching degree
5. Berlusconi is responsible for Milan’s success
Is quite frankly annoying. Granted that they are true, if there weren’t other factors that affected Milan, then discussing them would be quite pointless wouldn’t it?

For instance Ancelotti is hands down my favourite coach but he, like all others made MANY mistakes. Not recognizing/being able to get the best out of Henry, Gourcuff and many other young talents rank among his most glaring. All the above lines of reasoning applied to him too but that apparently didn’t prevent him from not valuing Rivaldo and asking to get back Brocchi; preferring Emerson to Gourcuff and completely disregarding Mattioni and Flamini. Now If I could recognize this about Ancelotti who STILL is my favourite then I take offense at some n00bs tkinging I’m some sort of troublemaker because of my opinions on iBra and Allegri.
For starters it’s clear to ppl that WATCH us play that Allegri is very smalltime. Yeah he deserves some credit for our scudetto but seriously, other than Silva, De Rossi and Nesta there are no players in Serie A who I’d call world class atm. Pato can get there and Lucio, Robinho and iBra are very close. But you’d notice that most of these play for Milan….i.e. Milan had imho by far the best squad in Italy. I mean it would be hard to lost the SerieA with iBra, Pato, Robinho, Cassano, MVB, Ronaldinho, Nesta, AND Silva….not to mention fine contributions from Flamini, Gattuso, KPB, Ambro and Seedorf.
So the yardstick for assessing Allegri mist be a tad longer and if this were so then he’s been a FAILURE actually….throwing away our chance for a win vs Real Madrid by making dorf try to waste time at the corner flag (which was disgraceful) , not being able to use Ronaldinho’s creative genius (he played well before and after Allegri….what does that tell you?) and finally losing out to a far inferior squad in Tottenham. Our CL exploits are taking the same path of last year in that unless we have some individual brilliance/inspiration we’re going to adopt the most blue collar workmanlike performance to scrape up a win instead of overwhelm an opponent with our superior talent, ideas, and strategy. When Real, Bartha , Manure and most of the other genuine CL contenders win you KNOW and EXPECT and FEEL they are going to win. Can we honestly same the same of Allegri’s Milan?

Anyway, I agree. Those remarks are annoying. If you take those serious it simply means we all should just shut up about everything because we all are a bunch of ignorant people who know little.

Or we accept all of us caring about Milan, and having huge interest in the club, and thus love talking about it, and thus discuss things based on what we do know and have seen. Most of us watch most of our games, isn't that enough to have a word you like to share? I think it is. We care, so we want what's best for the club, and we all have watch Milan which automaticly creates ideas in our head about how we should play and with who, and what players we would like to add to what we have now. It's natural, don't fight it. And if anything, a forum is there to discuss and share your opinion.

Agreed overall. The fact of the matter is coaches get fired all the time. Yeah the same guys who see the squad the most. Sometimes the fans clamour for a player to get playing time but the coach continues to marginalize that player. Who's right? Sometimes despite the protests the coach is right. Sometimes he's waaaaay off. With this in mind, it's rather disingenious to keep proclaiming faith in someone on such a flawed basis simply because it precludes bias.

You blame Ancelotti for not recognizing Henry and Gourcuff? Not that again, please, we've been over that topic...

Not while I was here bro

Anyway, look at Gourcuff - where exactly is he now?

As for Henry, Thierry actually didn't click with Juventus all in all, had an injury and I've read an interview some time ago where he alone does not put the blame on Ancelotti. So...you really can't blame Carletto for that one

Never said I blamed him entirely but he simply didn't get to use the talent of the player to help the team (see Ron & Al). Fergie failed dismally with Forlan and Veron. It happens to the best coaches. But when you add this to Al's other flaws his mediocrity can't hide

Who are Ron and Al?

ronaldinho and Allegri

yeee hawwwwww

Someone open a Fiorentina-Milan match thread, please.