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han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 24 2011, 10:36 PM) *
After the Juventus game.

Well, at least we'll be getting some big names back into it. Ibra simply covered up how terrible we were at the beginning of last season, and it's the same thing this season only Ibra is out so the problems are not being covered up by wonder goals or one man shows
Fillipo Simone
Sorry for the late post, but I only managed to see the match now in a late night replay. Some notes and comments:

- our defense was very shaky. Yepes didn't start that well, but as time went by, he got into the game. As expected, Taiwo did far from impressive in defense. Marseille and defending the flanks in the French league is one thing, Milan another; nevermind the friendly against Bayern, that tells little. His offensive work is great, but the defensive part is terrible. There will be much to do. Abbiati didn't look comfortable as well, I hope he can manage to break the bad form.

- Allegri made me mad again; why didn't he give Pippo at least 20 minutes? We played at San Siro against Cesena and he decided to take of El Shaarawy and play with a total of one SS (Cassano)? We could have scored at least one more goal, yet we caged ourselves and luckily Cesena had no idea what to do.

- El Shaarawy did try, but he's clearly not ready for the big step; he has immense potential and could become very good, but at this point, he still isn't prepared for the full involvement. Unluckily, we have little to no options.

- Emanuelson did work hard, and I think Allegri will like his game today; to me he's simply not Milan class, his pass and shot are imprecise and too often poorly executed. Yes, he's running and covering space, but again, he's doing many things, only none of them with much quality. Aquilani seems to be another issue, I don't think Allegri will manage to find him the proper position. A "Pirlo" position comes in mind for me, but it's out of question for Allegri.

Given all problems - this wasn't a nice match to watch but the 3 points and the first win with a clean sheet are counting.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 25 2011, 01:57 AM) *
Aquilani seems to be another issue, I don't think Allegri will manage to find him the proper position. A "Pirlo" position comes in mind for me, but it's out of question for Allegri.


Problem is that Allegri has been using him lately as AM. That clearly is not his role. He's more of a CM/SCM kind of playmaker. I think him on the left and Nocerino on the right would be quite ideal. Seedorf can fill the trequartista role much better than Aquilani, until Boateng returns.
X-Offender
Oh, and regarding the Taiwo issue. Well, I've seen him play a few times with Marseilles. He definitely had another step compared to tonight. He was very fast and dynamic in his runs and tackles. Tonight he just seemed immobile and rusty for the entirety of his performance. Hopefully it's just match fitness and he'll return to kicking soon.
Jack Bauer
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 25 2011, 04:03 AM) *
Problem is that Allegri has been using him lately as AM. That clearly is not his role. He's more of a CM/SCM kind of playmaker. I think him on the left and Nocerino on the right would be quite ideal. Seedorf can fill the trequartista role much better than Aquilani, until Boateng returns.

Both Aquilani and Seedorf shouldn't paly the AM position. Aquilani doesn't know how and Seedorf can't anymore. Both should play on the left but with so many injured, we don't have a lot of options.

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 25 2011, 04:09 AM) *
Oh, and regarding the Taiwo issue. Well, I've seen him play a few times with Marseilles. He definitely had another step compared to tonight. He was very fast and dynamic in his runs and tackles. Tonight he just seemed immobile and rusty for the entirety of his performance. Hopefully it's just match fitness and he'll return to kicking soon.

Yes, he's clearly lacks match fitness. He needs few games to get the match rhytm back. He should play the Pilsen game while Zambro kept fresh for the Juve battle.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Sep 25 2011, 03:02 AM) *
Both Aquilani and Seedorf shouldn't paly the AM position. Aquilani doesn't know how and Seedorf can't anymore. Both should play on the left but with so many injured, we don't have a lot of options.


Seedorf is more capable of playing AM than Aquilani.
han2503
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 25 2011, 12:57 AM) *
Sorry for the late post, but I only managed to see the match now in a late night replay. Some notes and comments:

- our defense was very shaky. Yepes didn't start that well, but as time went by, he got into the game. As expected, Taiwo did far from impressive in defense. Marseille and defending the flanks in the French league is one thing, Milan another; nevermind the friendly against Bayern, that tells little. His offensive work is great, but the defensive part is terrible. There will be much to do. Abbiati didn't look comfortable as well, I hope he can manage to break the bad form.

- Allegri made me mad again; why didn't he give Pippo at least 20 minutes? We played at San Siro against Cesena and he decided to take of El Shaarawy and play with a total of one SS (Cassano)? We could have scored at least one more goal, yet we caged ourselves and luckily Cesena had no idea what to do.

- El Shaarawy did try, but he's clearly not ready for the big step; he has immense potential and could become very good, but at this point, he still isn't prepared for the full involvement. Unluckily, we have little to no options.

- Emanuelson did work hard, and I think Allegri will like his game today; to me he's simply not Milan class, his pass and shot are imprecise and too often poorly executed. Yes, he's running and covering space, but again, he's doing many things, only none of them with much quality. Aquilani seems to be another issue, I don't think Allegri will manage to find him the proper position. A "Pirlo" position comes in mind for me, but it's out of question for Allegri.

Given all problems - this wasn't a nice match to watch but the 3 points and the first win with a clean sheet are counting.

Agree about all of it, as for Aqui, I'm with X-off, he did very well in the opener playing on the left, he's clearly uncomfortable and can't find his position behind the strikers. Until Prince comes back Seedorf shoud play the AM position and Aqui plays in the midfield 3. It's really not rocket science, only Allegri turns it into such rolleyes.gif

Playing Urby behind the strikers as a solution is ridiculous imo. He's a one dimensional player who doesn't offer anything on the ball imo. He's a great utility player to have in the squad but playing him as AM won't help solve anything

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 25 2011, 01:03 AM) *
Problem is that Allegri has been using him lately as AM. That clearly is not his role. He's more of a CM/SCM kind of playmaker. I think him on the left and Nocerino on the right would be quite ideal. Seedorf can fill the trequartista role much better than Aquilani, until Boateng returns.

Agreed

QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Sep 25 2011, 02:02 AM) *
Both Aquilani and Seedorf shouldn't paly the AM position. Aquilani doesn't know how and Seedorf can't anymore. Both should play on the left but with so many injured, we don't have a lot of options.

It's not a matter of can or can't at this point, we're in a situation where our backs are to the wall. Seedorf knows how to play the position while Aquilani doesn't. That's all that matters, which is why they should be switched around. Playing Urby there doesn't solve anything, it's not like Urby knows how to or can even play that position.
Fillipo Simone
Trouble is, I have the feeling Allegri is satisfied with Urby's display. Granted, I don't think he'll play him versus Juventus, but maybe against Pilsen once more.

As far as I'm concerned, I think Allegri has much trouble with creative positions and players. The only one he's confident with is Seedorf; all other players represent a problem.
Jack Bauer
QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 25 2011, 12:25 PM) *
It's not a matter of can or can't at this point, we're in a situation where our backs are to the wall. Seedorf knows how to play the position while Aquilani doesn't. That's all that matters, which is why they should be switched around. Playing Urby there doesn't solve anything, it's not like Urby knows how to or can even play that position.

Yes, but Seedorf is still more effective as the LCM these days. He's getting lost playing the AM. Putting him there might be our best option right now with all the injuries but it's far from ideal.
han2503
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Sep 25 2011, 12:23 PM) *
Yes, but Seedorf is still more effective as the LCM these days. He's getting lost playing the AM. Putting him there might be our best option right now with all the injuries but it's far from ideal.

Yes it is far from ideal, but that's the point, in this emergency situation it is our best option and we need to stick to it. Not lump Urby behind the striker instead of Aqui.

I completely agree with Filippo, Allegri seems to be at a complete loss when it comes to technical players, how to place them and how to use them effectively.

Seedorf and Robinho are the only ones he's managed to use properly
Jack Bauer
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X-Offender
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wzui2Ps81vg&NR=1

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Jack Bauer
I liked the blond one on Abate cool.gif
TriniKing_CE
I just saw those myself...

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