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X-Offender
QUOTE (acid911 @ Feb 3 2011, 12:18 PM) *
Yeah, that's one of the biggest mysteries of this season. sad.gif Half the people say he can, half say he can't. The pathetic organization that is UEFA should have issued an official statement on the status of Cassano and his eligibility in the Champions League.


Half the people who say he can must get their facts straight. wink.gif
acid911
True. cool.gif The confusion probably arose from the recent law change that the powers-be at UEFA implemented from this season. In any case, I'd be happy with a quarters or semifinal appearance in the CL this year, along with the Scudetto of course. The Italian Cup is a nice extra if we get it.
Jack Sparrow
Hmm....


Interesting..but I'd play something like...


Abate---Yepes---Silva---Luca
-----Rino------------Ambro----
----Pirlo------------Robinho----
-----------Pato------------------
---------------------Ibra-------


I'd like Pato, Binho and Ibra to be the ones who keep interchanging positions and dropping deep. I don't know if the Duck can do it, but it's possible. Pirlo to play his free-ish mezzala role and our two DMs give us cover for the fullbacks.

It will be a change of plan, since we won't be playing with mid-field runners anymore. But I would keep that for the second leg, when we're at White Hart Lane. With their wing heavy formation, I think Tottenham is really vulnerable down the centre and with Binho, Pato and Ibra running at their defence it will be interesting.

And in Pirlo you have the person capable of making the through ball and the long pass.

Play a more subdued 4-4-1-1 in the second leg. Hopefully Boateng will be back by then.
X-Offender
^ Ambro won't be back till the end of March.
Jack Sparrow
Ahh. Mattie then.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (acid911 @ Feb 3 2011, 11:18 AM) *
Yeah, that's one of the biggest mysteries of this season. sad.gif Half the people say he can, half say he can't. The pathetic organization that is UEFA should have issued an official statement on the status of Cassano and his eligibility in the Champions League.

Just remember Mascherano dry.gif
acid911
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 3 2011, 04:06 PM) *
Just remember Mascherano

Yup. sleep.gif
han2503
QUOTE (Woorya @ Feb 3 2011, 11:11 AM) *
Cassano can't play in CL

Referring to the match against Genoa in the second part of my post

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 3 2011, 11:17 AM) *
I think he was referring to the match against Genoa. As for our midfield, Van Bommel in front of the defense would be ideal. Unlike our other DMs, he has vision and good passing skills. Gattuso on the right, Flamini on the left and Seedorf behind the strikers.

No matter which way you put them, the combination of those 3 DMs together is a disaster waiting to happen if you ask me. Our problem have not be the strikers not clicking, it's been the midfield and the fact that they do not support or provide for the attackers. Non of our DMs can do that, you say VB can, so far he hasn't shown it, and personally I don't trust him yet. Seedorf in the midfield will help us retain possession and control the game which is what we've been lacking. Cassano can bring in Pato and Ibra into the game because he's our best passer in tight spaces, that's why imo he can play the AM role better then Robinho

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Feb 3 2011, 11:27 AM) *
Hmm....


Interesting..but I'd play something like...


Abate---Yepes---Silva---Luca
-----Rino------------Ambro----
----Pirlo------------Robinho----
-----------Pato------------------
---------------------Ibra-------


I'd like Pato, Binho and Ibra to be the ones who keep interchanging positions and dropping deep. I don't know if the Duck can do it, but it's possible. Pirlo to play his free-ish mezzala role and our two DMs give us cover for the fullbacks.

It will be a change of plan, since we won't be playing with mid-field runners anymore. But I would keep that for the second leg, when we're at White Hart Lane. With their wing heavy formation, I think Tottenham is really vulnerable down the centre and with Binho, Pato and Ibra running at their defence it will be interesting.

And in Pirlo you have the person capable of making the through ball and the long pass.

Play a more subdued 4-4-1-1 in the second leg. Hopefully Boateng will be back by then.

Rino and Ambro should never play both against a pacy team like Tottenham, they'll get creamed. Rino imo has been average all season, no matter what people say that he's back, clearly those people did not witness Rino during his best years. And Ambro has just been plain bad lately. Either way Flamini should be automatic choice at this point, even against Lazio he was one of our best performers imo and he was just returning from injury
pacang
correct me if i'm wrong, but i think as per

http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Downlo...49_DOWNLOAD.pdf

i think he can't play..
X-Offender
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 3 2011, 01:34 PM) *
Referring to the match against Genoa in the second part of my post


No matter which way you put them, the combination of those 3 DMs together is a disaster waiting to happen if you ask me. Our problem have not be the strikers not clicking, it's been the midfield and the fact that they do not support or provide for the attackers. Non of our DMs can do that, you say VB can, so far he hasn't shown it, and personally I don't trust him yet. Seedorf in the midfield will help us retain possession and control the game which is what we've been lacking. Cassano can bring in Pato and Ibra into the game because he's our best passer in tight spaces, that's why imo he can play the AM role better then Robinho


I'm talking about Van Bommel on behalf of what we've already seen of him at Bayern and Netherlands. The guy is not just your average defensive midfielder. He can organize, make through passes, shoot from the distance. In other words, he's a sort of Pirlo replacement from a technical point of view, though they are miles away in terms of characteristics and skills.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 3 2011, 01:34 PM) *
Rino and Ambro should never play both against a pacy team like Tottenham, they'll get creamed. Rino imo has been average all season, no matter what people say that he's back, clearly those people did not witness Rino during his best years. And Ambro has just been plain bad lately. Either way Flamini should be automatic choice at this point, even against Lazio he was one of our best performers imo and he was just returning from injury.


My line-up against Tottenham, saving possible injuries, would be the following:

Abbiati
Abate - Nesta - T. Silva - Antonini
Flamini - Pirlo - Boateng
Seedorf/Robinho
Pato - Ibrahimovic
TriniKing_CE
Milan vs Lazio - Locker room

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ClwnSWuC80
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 3 2011, 12:45 PM) *
I'm talking about Van Bommel on behalf of what we've already seen of him at Bayern and Netherlands. The guy is not just your average defensive midfielder. He can organize, make through passes, shoot from the distance. In other words, he's a sort of Pirlo replacement from a technical point of view, though they are miles away in terms of characteristics and skills.



My line-up against Tottenham, saving possible injuries, would be the following:

Abbiati
Abate - Nesta - T. Silva - Antonini
Flamini - Pirlo - Boateng
Seedorf/Robinho
Pato - Ibrahimovic

I wouldn't play Seedorf. And I think we'll need a 2nd DM in that midfield, our FBs will need help against their wingers imo

As for Van Bommel, sure we've seen it at other teams, but we haven't at Milan, I haven't see one decent pass out of him that could be considered as defense splitting, he doesn't have the distribution technique of Seedorf let alone Pirlo, and that is what we need in that midfield. So imo this would be my midfield and attack for the Genoa game

Van Bommel
Flamini--Seedorf
Cassano
Ibra--pato
X-Offender
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 3 2011, 02:07 PM) *
Van Bommel
Flamini--Seedorf
Cassano
Ibra--pato


Personal opinion, but I would never play Seedorf along with three between Cassano, Pato, Robinho and Ibra.
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 3 2011, 01:14 PM) *
Personal opinion, but I would never play Seedorf along with three between Cassano, Pato, Robinho and Ibra.

Seedorf's best days in his entire career imo were playing the position I just put him in, in my eyes he was never a trquartista and never will be. Also imo It's not as unbalanced as it looks on Paper. Cassano tends to hang back a lot when we're not in possession, and he's not afraid to get his hands dirty in midfield when we need him to. Van Bommel and Flamini will be more then enough imo.

Imo 1 DM for us is not enough, 3 is overkill, but 2 is just right in terms of how balanced we are
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 3 2011, 07:01 PM) *
Seedorf's best days in his entire career imo were playing the position I just put him in, in my eyes he was never a trquartista and never will be. Also imo It's not as unbalanced as it looks on Paper. Cassano tends to hang back a lot when we're not in possession, and he's not afraid to get his hands dirty in midfield when we need him to. Van Bommel and Flamini will be more then enough imo.

Imo 1 DM for us is not enough, 3 is overkill, but 2 is just right in terms of how balanced we are

I agree with the former Seedorf not being a trequarista but nowadays I would play Seedorf only as AM and not at the position where he used to be his best. So I agree with X-Offender. Different times, different Seedorf. Didn't you yourself say that Seedorf played bad when being played as midfielder in our 3 man midfield, while as AM you thought he did well?
X-Offender
Agreed. I can only see Seedorf as trequartista nowadays. In fact, he's the only proper trequartista we currently have.
han2503
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Feb 3 2011, 07:31 PM) *
I agree with the former Seedorf not being a trequarista but nowadays I would play Seedorf only as AM and not at the position where he used to be his best. So I agree with X-Offender. Different times, different Seedorf. Didn't you yourself say that Seedorf played bad when being played as midfielder in our 3 man midfield, while as AM you thought he did well?

I said that when he was played in Pirlo's position .ie. made to play in front of the defense.

He played decent in the AM psotion for a total of 3 games. And until we see him playing now in his old position I'm going to stand by my reasoning tongue.gif

Personally I don't really care where Seedorf plays, he's been pretty bad in any position... My biggest issue is with the 3 distructive DMs playing in the midfield puke.gif
mybloodhasblackstripes
personally i dont think seedorf has any place in the team now. boateng plays better in the midfield role and cassano is a better attacking support and can defend better.

i think for the genoa game cassanos style will be very effective. milan will come out fighting and if cassano gets the start i expect us to win well. granted theyre a good team but theve lost more at home than theyve won and allegri is an excellent motivational coach.

by the way im glad to be on milanfan
X-Offender
QUOTE (mybloodhasblackstripes @ Feb 4 2011, 01:59 AM) *
personally i dont think seedorf has any place in the team now. boateng plays better in the midfield role and cassano is a better attacking support and can defend better.


Cassano... defend? OK. innocent.gif

Welcome, btw!
dst
Cassano once went deep to defend... a couple of games later he was back up front working his magic... not really, he's not so slow... but he does look awfully slow at times.

and... welcome!!
X-Offender
Think of Cassano as a replica of the current Ronaldinho. He must play in support of the deep-lying forward as an auxiliary striker. He lacks the mobility and physical attributes which would otherwise allow him to play as an attacking midfielder. That is because attacking midfielders have different roles. They serve as a link between midfield and attack, which requires mobility, speed and stamina. Cassano doesn't tick any of the said boxes. He's just a support striker with a great set of skills and vision.
acid911
QUOTE (mybloodhasblackstripes @ Feb 4 2011, 04:59 AM) *
by the way im glad to be on milanfan

The feeling is mutual, I am sure. innocent.gif Welcome, glad to have you here. Cool(est) user name, by the way!
Dracoris
Very cool username
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 4 2011, 02:12 AM) *
Think of Cassano as a replica of the current Ronaldinho. He must play in support of the deep-lying forward as an auxiliary striker. He lacks the mobility and physical attributes which would otherwise allow him to play as an attacking midfielder. That is because attacking midfielders have different roles. They serve as a link between midfield and attack, which requires mobility, speed and stamina. Cassano doesn't tick any of the said boxes. He's just a support striker with a great set of skills and vision.

Seedorf doesn't tick any of those either if you ask me. He barely moves aside from jogging around aimlessly, not the real movement required for a trequartista that is. Speed and Seedorf in the same sentence laugh.gif . Stamina? He gets tired 15 minutes into it... Imo Cassano has better movement, is faster then Seedorf and can last longer then him as well, plus and most importantly imo he has better vision and can pass in tight spaces as well, which imo are 2 components that are just as important for an AM as the ones you mentioned above
X-Offender
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 4 2011, 11:33 AM) *
Seedorf doesn't tick any of those either if you ask me. He barely moves aside from jogging around aimlessly, not the real movement required for a trequartista that is. Speed and Seedorf in the same sentence laugh.gif . Stamina? He gets tired 15 minutes into it... Imo Cassano has better movement, is faster then Seedorf and can last longer then him as well, plus and most importantly imo he has better vision and can pass in tight spaces as well, which imo are 2 components that are just as important for an AM as the ones you mentioned above


Speed and Seedorf in the same sentence? Duh, I didn't even mention Seedorf. That said, Seedorf is an attacking midfielder by nature. Cassano is not. Even when we play Robinho-Cassano-Ibrahimovic, he plays as second striker and not as trequartista. That should tell you something. wink.gif
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 4 2011, 12:22 PM) *
Speed and Seedorf in the same sentence? Duh, I didn't even mention Seedorf. That said, Seedorf is an attacking midfielder by nature. Cassano is not. Even when we play Robinho-Cassano-Ibrahimovic, he plays as second striker and not as trequartista. That should tell you something. wink.gif

Well you implied it by saying Seedorf is the better option of the 2 wink.gif

Also Allegri likes to push Pato out wide every chance he gets, that should tell you something...
X-Offender
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 4 2011, 03:15 PM) *
Well you implied it by saying Seedorf is the better option of the 2 wink.gif


Because he's a natural trequartista, unlike Cassano. It's easier for someone to play in a position he's familiar with compared to someone who's barely played there.
Fillipo Simone
You guys dominated with that Ronaldinho talk for what, half a year or so, and now it seems we have found a sequel. Great, just keep it coming.
han2503
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 4 2011, 02:49 PM) *
You guys dominated with that Ronaldinho talk for what, half a year or so, and now it seems we have found a sequel. Great, just keep it coming.

Why thank you biggrin.gif

Anyways, we'll watch Seedorf jogging around doing nothing but holding the team back this weekend and everyone will start hating on him again, problem solved biggrin.gif
Fillipo Simone
laugh.gif
The real problem will pop-up if he actually does something good, right?
acid911
Quite true. wink.gif Then we'll have to renew with him. tongue.gif
X-Offender
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 4 2011, 03:49 PM) *
You guys dominated with that Ronaldinho talk for what, half a year or so, and now it seems we have found a sequel. Great, just keep it coming.


Until the trequartista problem is solved for good, there will always be arguments about it. wink.gif
dst
this page has too many wink.gif 's! ... wink.gif

it looks like we're having heart attacks
acid911
Of course. We are talking about Seedorf, after all. wink.gif There are going to be a few wink.gif wink.gif here and there. wink.gif
han2503
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 4 2011, 02:57 PM) *
laugh.gif
The real problem will pop-up if he actually does something good, right?

biggrin.gif Well I'll be happy to be proven wrong when it comes t Seedorf, but I think we won't bee seeing any magic coming from him anymore. And is it really being proven right when he has an aweful game but pops up with an assist or a goal?

QUOTE (dst @ Feb 4 2011, 03:28 PM) *
this page has too many wink.gif 's! ... wink.gif

it looks like we're having heart attacks

Do you always wink.gif wink wink.gif at people when you're having a heart attack?
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