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acid911
Agreed, and that's what I said above, Abate, Antonin, Bonera are at best 2nd string choices. smile.gif That is if we want to win something big. Maybe they will improve in a few years, but at what cost to the club? Someone like Coentrao is needed, at least one flank should have an A+ player.

Darn you Milos Krasic, darn you. sleep.gif He'd have been perfect, seeing our right side creates literally nothing!
Zed.D
QUOTE (acid911 @ Nov 28 2010, 01:16 AM) *
I did Zed. biggrin.gif Abbiati culprit number one, then Nesta, and the third one is Bonera. He was just late to react, and while not at fault directly, some quick thinking and reflexes could (or could not, if the linesman had other ideas) have saved the goal.

But really the goalkeeper is the first to be blamed, he put undue pressure on Nesta. sleep.gif It really wasn't necessary, a good clearance and we would not even be talking about the goal. Abbiati made an absolutely world class save (he had too, every GK must), but his brain-dead moments have cost us goals and points for the past two seasons at least. I really want him to figure this bit out.

I disagree with you about Abbiati. yes he kicked the ball awkwardly and that led to Samp's corner kick. what's that got to do the their goal? corner kicks happen in every game. IMO what leads to a corner kick doesn't really matter that much, but how a team defends a corner does. you can't blame Abs for being at the far end of a series of incidents that led to Samp's corner...

DISCLAIMER: I'm an Amelia fan and want him to play!! but I don't think Abs has been bad enough to be benched, yet.
acid911
I know, but why not keep things under control in the first place. wink.gif Corner kicks happen, but I'd rather take them when an opposing forward is rushing in and a defender tackles the ball out. Or a CB heads the ball out. Absolutely no point in that stupid trick that Abbiati pulled which resulted in the throw in, which resulted in the corner, which results in the goal. I understand, that even if it was a corner, even if Bonera did not play the offside trap, it was still the team's fault for conceding the equalizer. No two words about that.

Anyway, guys do watch Abbiati's giveaways in the next few matches. I really hope none of them happen, but IMO he needs to work on where to kick and where to pass. Not everything he sends will reach our players first, but I am talking about the freebies. Control that, and it will be good for all parties. Besides it will give Abbiati the needed confidence. Minor details make or break a match, after all. Inches and centimeters.
han2503
QUOTE (acid911 @ Nov 27 2010, 10:05 PM) *
I know, but why not keep things under control in the first place. wink.gif Corner kicks happen, but I'd rather take them when an opposing forward is rushing in and a defender tackles the ball out. Or a CB heads the ball out. Absolutely no point in that stupid trick that Abbiati pulled which resulted in the throw in, which resulted in the corner, which results in the goal. I understand, that even if it was a corner, even if Bonera did not play the offside trap, it was still the team's fault for conceding the equalizer. No two words about that.

Anyway, guys do watch Abbiati's giveaways in the next few matches. I really hope none of them happen, but IMO he needs to work on where to kick and where to pass. Not everything he sends will reach our players first, but I am talking about the freebies. Control that, and it will be good for all parties. Besides it will give Abbiati the needed confidence. Minor details make or break a match, after all. Inches and centimeters.

I know the ones you're talking about acid, the last time he did it was much worse, kicked it straight to an opposing player near the half way line, really can't remember who it was against though
William405
It kinda happened today too tongue.gif
drucurl
On a Positive note I was really really happy to see Robinho score.
Damn that kid works hard!!! A 4-3-3 of him, duck and iHomo/Dinho would a pleasure to watch once we get fullbacks worthy of the red and black.

Pity that with all this attacking firepower at his disposal Allegri can't figure out how to get them to work sleep.gif . Oh noes I just said something bad about the all wise allknowing Allegri....permaban for dru!!!
acid911
QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 28 2010, 02:21 AM) *
I know the ones you're talking about acid, the last time he did it was much worse, kicked it straight to an opposing player near the half way line, really can't remember who it was against though

Exactly, he has done that rather regularly now. sad.gif No point in remembering who it was again, because unfortunately he does this every other match. Not good. I like both our keepers, and want them both to do well. Who does so, and makes less mistakes should start. But really, mistakes like this (that can be easily avoided) only go against us.

Keep it calm, pass it to the guy in the red and black. At least not give away freebies to opponents!

QUOTE (William405 @ Nov 28 2010, 02:24 AM) *
It kinda happened today too

Yeah, at least once. wink.gif And then a couple of misfired kicks too. No keeper is perfect, but I can only hope Abbiati is working on these mistakes. Because really it indirectly (or directly) results in loss of points.
X-Offender
Welcome to the Anti-Allegri Club, folks! smile.gif

Didn't watch the game, but from the highlights it seemed like we had control of the match and should have won, considering all the chances we had, especially the last two with Seedorf and Robinho. Sampdoria only had two shots in goal.

Nevertheless, it's not a bad result. Unlike some of you who were already celebrating our victory two days ago, I knew winning on Samp's pitch is never easy. You'll see all the other big clubs will stumble there.
Jack Bauer
What Allegri did today was ******* excusable.
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 27 2010, 11:48 PM) *
Welcome to the Anti-Allegri Club, folks! smile.gif

Didn't watch the game, but from the highlights it seemed like we had control of the match and should have won, considering all the chances we had, especially the last two with Seedorf and Robinho. Sampdoria only had two shots in goal.

Nevertheless, it's not a bad result. Unlike some of you who were already celebrating our victory two days ago, I knew winning on Samp's pitch is never easy. You'll see all the other big clubs will stumble there.

You said yurself, we had control of the game and should have scored! There was no point to losing these points, and justifying it by saying all the other teams will stumble there is the mentality that we had over these last 5 years where we didn't win anything. Being champions means you go to these stadiums and bringing back the 3 points, whether you play a good game or a bad game.

What really p!ssed me off is Allegri, there was a problem especially after we conceeded, yet what does Allegri do? Keep twiddling his tumbs waiting for Ibra or Robinho to do something, instead of taking the initiative and making a change, Seedorf had trouble throughout the entire match, while Rino was the usual, trying to play ome-twos with Abate and trying to play around the box, yet what does Allegri do, wait until the last minute of regular time to bring in Dinho and Flamini, who should have been on at least at the 60th if not at the start of the 2nd half. Dinho created more dangerous plays in 4 minutes then Seedorf managed all game.

It's the same BS as usual, only before we scraped through from the games, while today we lost 2 points because we can't manage to score then 1 stupid goal in 90 minutes of football where we have control of the game, This system does not allow us to kill off games, thus leaving us vulnerable to an equiliser, we got lucky against Inter and Fiorentina, we didn't get lucky the 3rd time. If Inter win tomorrow that's already 2 point cut out from our lead. And we have Roma still to come
drucurl
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Nov 27 2010, 07:19 PM) *
What Allegri did today was ******* excusable.
We can curse here?


Glad to see that a lot here have their doubts about Allegri. To temper this we muct give him some sort of credit for fixing our defense and making us look more solid against set pieces and Counter Attacks....then again Leo didn't have Nesta healthy as often, nor did he have Sokratis (who, to be fair hasn't played as much but ANYBODY>>>>Kaladze)

I will say it again but I don't think he's a big team coach. I was particularly upset with how he plays ANY team with some stature....like we're such a small team mad.gif Under Allegri is the first time that I've seen my beloved proud mighty arrogant Milan EVER try to waste time by the corner flag. This is something that I would always LAUGH at other teams for (except Trinidad wink.gif ) doing. We did it (and paid dearly for it) vs Madrid and Inter. Seriously if the best he could come up with is pass to iHomo and hope he scored while keeping things tight at the back then I'm sorry he's not a big team coach. With the attack we have now I have no doubts that Leo would have at least DESTROYED inter.

his treatment of Ronaldinho is also under review. At present it's even....Ron did his **** and was punished.....from now on they both start with a clean slate in this issue.
X-Offender
QUOTE (drucurl @ Nov 28 2010, 03:20 AM) *
his treatment of Ronaldinho is also under review. At present it's even....Ron did his **** and was punished.....from now on they both start with a clean slate in this issue.


I should be loving Allegri because of that.
Dracoris
QUOTE (drucurl @ Nov 27 2010, 09:20 PM) *
We can curse here?



Its not bannable (unless exccessive I think) but its looked down upon from what I've gathered from my time here. Just FYI.
MizNelson
Not too long ago, cursing on here was almost completely taboo. However, the brass seems to have eased up on the reins considerably as of late.

I think it's a matter of trusting us as long as things don't get out of hand (see the R&B cesspool for that).
Bluesummers
swearing at the team is different than swearing at members. We have every right to get mad in a matchday at players and sometimes emotions can get out of hand so its normal.


But if we take that towards other members; thats where the line has to be drawn imo.
Fillipo Simone
It isn't related to trust, it's just a matter of discipline and manners.

Talking about which, @drucurl - would you be so kind and stop calling Ronaldinho the name you do, because it is very offensive in a most unconfortable manner, and while I understand that this was your point in first place, I don't think it is appropriate to do it. So please, try using something less provocative.
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Allegri really did me think. What was he waiting for? It seemed like he forgot the result and Tassotti told him 4 minutes from time "he, we conceeded, do you remember?" What was the problem?
It is such a basic thing, yet he does it from day one up till now. Makes me wonder what the others on the bench do; I mean Allegri does not look like an autocrat, surely someone could have told him by now!

Yesterday we had some terrible and some not so-bad or good players. Thums up for Robinho and Abate. Abate was very good to say at least, maybe he can do the RB after all (surely, he needs more practice).

I don't get how you can criticise Abbiati? I mean, he's done superb so far. Yes, he has this little mistakes but every keeper in that cathegory makes them. He just isn't what Dida was for us a while, or van der Sar, Buffon, etc. But compared to other keepers we had like Rossi, Antonioli, Galli, etc. he's at their level or above.

Nesta made me worry, he looked slow and not really concentrated yesterday. If Samp had pushed more and insisted more on an attacking approach, I'm not so sure he could have held it down.

I don't get what Boateng was supposed to do yesterday. He was IMO the worst player we had; only thing he did was running, and that stopped too at one point. Oh, and yes, he kicked opposition and could have costed us a penalty too. His passing was horribly inprecise, his actions mostly destroyed our efforts to build-up an attack. He was just useless, pretty much like Gattuso but even worser. I really think Allegri should start a Flamini-Pirlo-Ambrosini midfield as soon as possible, and hold Rino as a option, but KPB is bench material.
drucurl
No problem Simone. Where I came from callin players derogatory names was standard. I'll just like to point out that i called Ibra worse names than iHomo before his arrival and soon you'll all see him for what he really is. But I'm not here for trouble so i'll abide. If i use the name again it'll be purely accidental because I've grown attached to it lol. Just remind me and I'll edit. Cheers.
acid911
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 28 2010, 04:50 PM) *
I don't get what Boateng was supposed to do yesterday. He was IMO the worst player we had; only thing he did was running, and that stopped too at one point. Oh, and yes, he kicked opposition and could have costed us a penalty too. His passing was horribly inprecise, his actions mostly destroyed our efforts to build-up an attack. He was just useless, pretty much like Gattuso but even worser. I really think Allegri should start a Flamini-Pirlo-Ambrosini midfield as soon as possible, and hold Rino as a option, but KPB is bench material.

Thank you! king.gif KPB is best left as a sub for Flamini. Likewise Gattuso for Ambrosini. The three you mentioned should be default first XI most of the time. Mr. Allegri, it seems, has other ideas.
X-Offender
No badmouthing Boateng, he'll become a great player. 96.gif
William405
Flamini-Pirlo-Ambrosini

I agree with you Fillipo,that midfeild will be great.Flamini being our engine,Pirlo playmaker,and Ambrosini sitting in front of the defense with the occasional runs forward.Also,Gattuso should be Ambro's replacement and Boateng Flamini's replacement.
CHU-LIP
If you want Ambrosini sitting in front of the defense, he should be the one in the middle. So playing wide with Flamini and Pirlo, how would that be?

Pato/Robinho + Ibrahimovic
...... Seedorf / new AM .......
Pirlo - - Ambrosini- - Flamini (Pirlo and Flamini attacking + defending, I dunno who should play which side)
LB- - T.Silva - Nesta - Abate
............... Abbiati ..............
Zed.D
I think Han is past it.. he should let someone else open the next game's thread tongue.gif
X-Offender
Watching some Italian football show, people saying how we're doing great because Pirlo's out. rolleyes.gif
Dracoris
They could have a point. Two years ago when Pirlo was injured we had a great spell at the same time. Who knows?
Fillipo Simone
Naah, first of all we're not that great and secondly, Pirlo is immese for Milan. He's our way of joga bonito, if he's in Milan plays good. We may have pulled out some good results so far, but the footballing level without him aka with Boateng-Rino-Ambro is at a low.
Dracoris
I'd prefer to see him farther up the field as our AM. Him or Dinho, I've had enough Seedorf for the time being personally.
Jack Sparrow
4-2-3-1 is the future.
acid911
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Nov 29 2010, 02:00 PM) *
4-2-3-1 is the future.

Word. cool.gif Engulf the opposition and choke the life out of 'em!
Jack Sparrow
Yup. Though it is susceptible to a 4-6-0 counter. I think Milan is one of the teams that can play both these formations comfortably.
shevchenko_007
COACH ALLEGRI:
"The team put in one of its best performances this season. My lads played with high intensity, despite our busy schedule.
I’m sorry for the result, because we could have won the game, but in any case my players did well this evening.
As for Sampdoria’s equaliser, I can say that our man-marking was poor on that occasion, that’s why the ball finished at Pazzini’s feet.
Sending on Ronaldinho sooner? The team was doing well, so I didn’t want to break our balance by making changes. It just didn’t seem right, because we would have risked giving them chances for counter-attacks. Because of this, I thougth it was better not to change the team that was doing well.
My players are very determined, motivated, which makes me satisfied.”

This is just a pathetic comment and just shows how blind this guy is. We were flat from the 55th to the 80th minute and completely lost our bearings like we normally do.. we let a woeful team look like the worlds best in this period of the match after completely dominating the first half. Changes are a part of the game, whether u are winning or losing or drawing changes always need to be made and to not push for the win shows his complete lack of ability.
To be honest I was really hoping to lose that match because although we completely dominated the game we did not deserve to win it because of our embarrassing coach. And also if we lost this match it would have been one more step closer to Allegri being sacked, which needs to be done before christmas, I'm sure Tassotti can do a much better job until we find a replacement. Although knowing Milan, we will probably wait for Inter to sack Benitez and snap him up.
acid911
QUOTE (shevchenko_007 @ Nov 29 2010, 03:02 PM) *
Although knowing Milan, we will probably wait for Inter to sack Benitez and snap him up.

That would be a very sad day indeed. sleep.gif The one I hope I do not live to see. The guy is a fluke of a coach, and a douche bag to boot. And it's not like he would win us a league titles or two, he just isn't cut out for it. And me? I want a Scudetto. Or two. Three, even.
Fillipo Simone
Milan won't ever sign Benitez, it's out of question. Nothing to worry about.
vahid
Last season after 14th week we had 28 points and also won Real at Bernabeu,although we didn't have Ibra,Robi and Nesta.
I miss you Leo sad.gif
X-Offender
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Nov 29 2010, 10:00 AM) *
4-2-3-1 is the future.


Not for Milan. Right now, we don't have the adequate players to be using that system.
Jack Sparrow
Sure we do.

------------Ambro---Flam-----
----Robinho---Seedorf---Pirlo
--------------Ibra------------


Bench: KPB, Rino, Pato,Pippo.


We'd play much more pretty too. Though to really work, we need some fast fullbacks.

It's not your textbook 4-2-3-1 with two wing forwards flanking a CAM....but this formation would be unique. It is pace and possession capable at the same time. It's more of 3 number 10s supporting a lethal CF.

Hard to drill this into shape...but I reckon we have players who are tactically intelligent enough to make it work.
X-Offender
Pirlo on the wing? LOL. I really don't see the reason to change line-up again since we're doing so well with the good ol' 4-3-1-2, which has always been our trademark.
Jack Sparrow
Urm...I specifically said we're not playing the 4-2-3-1 with two wing forwards. 3 number 10s supporting the striker.
Dracoris
Ibra
Pato Ronnie Robinho
Flamini Ambro


That doesn't hurt my eyes all that much honestly. Maybe a Fifa11 idea!
CHU-LIP
Ibra
Pato Ronnie Robinho
Ambrosini Pirlo


Definitely a Fifa11 idea!
X-Offender
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Nov 29 2010, 05:36 PM) *
Urm...I specifically said we're not playing the 4-2-3-1 with two wing forwards. 3 number 10s supporting the striker.


That doesn't exist. You need at least two wingers, otherwise it won't work.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (vahid @ Nov 29 2010, 03:20 PM) *
Last season after 14th week we had 28 points and also won Real at Bernabeu,although we didn't have Ibra,Robi and Nesta.
I miss you Leo sad.gif


I think Leo did pretty well with the team he had, and the mental impact he had to deal with in loosing Kaka and Maldini at one go. I generally disliked Leo's approach, even today ... But he does deserve an applause as he did very well with what he had.

Yet I look back and think of one Carlo Ancelotti sad.gif
Zed.D
With Chelsea's recent pathetic downfall, I'm suddenly not thinking of wanting to see Carlo back anymore...
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Nov 29 2010, 08:25 PM) *
With Chelsea's recent pathetic downfall, I'm suddenly not thinking of wanting to see Carlo back anymore...

So you change your opinion with every change of trend? innocent.gif
kurtsimonw
laugh.gif laugh.gif

Never been a big fan of Carlo, but even I don't blame their current downfall on him. The behind the scenes stuff at that club is shocking.
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