Well, according to Blue, the fruits of Allegri's work won't be seen until November. By that time Inter will be greeting us from above.

Milan odds?

I don't really understand all the injuries, over the past few seasons, our medical team has been cr@p imo, Pato, Dida, Nesta, Kaka, all having injuries that for some reason or another cannot shake off then tey go to another country and seek answers from somewhere else and they're back on track. All these injuries and we're not even a month into the season...

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Pretty much agree here, yes I know we all know that Gattuso is a shadow of his former self but he was needed from the start to protect the midfield or Pirlo for that matter. Pirlo couldn't function today because he had to do defensive work as well which he's terrible at.

Well one thing is for sure, I'm not going to be opening anymore Serie A threads in the near future

True, and every point lost here means double if inter win their opening games. Allegri has always been a very, very slow starter. I am sure some of you guys can dig the stats, but I read somewhere that almost all the clubs he's managed lose points in the double figure at the start of the season, but pick things up after that.

This was probably one of the main reasons why the Cagliari boss fired him last season, in November was it?!

Dude, what? He was fired on 13 April. Cagliari had an awesome first half of season.

Oh okay. The first time I heard of Allegri as our new coach, was the first time I gathered more info about him. But nevertheless, he has a bit of a reputation of slow starts, and this Milan team terribly lacks chemistry, and not to mention injuries to key players first month into the new season.

Anyway, I will hold on the verdict until after he gets a fair amount of games under his belt. His subs were off though.

Aside from Bonera staying on when there was Zambro on the bench, I cannot really fault him, we needed a change in midfield, but we also needed a goal, he could have brought on Rino at any point in the second half and still everyone would complain as he's not someone you put on when you need a goal.

Pippo was way out of it aside from the goal, but our only option in attack was Odu, which was another problem. Allegri didn't really have much of an option either way, hopefully, we recover at least Robinho and Flamini by next game and Zambro is 100% ready

Wouldn't worry about it too much just yet. Remember that last season was an absolute disaster for the first 7 or 8 games, and at some point in March we were just 1 point off. Give not just Allegri, but also the team chemistry some time before panicing. I think we'll be fine.

Even though we played poorly it still took an incredible shot by Capuano to score the goal for Catania.

True, I was just taken aback by the late substitutions, it's not like we had a bench full of world class players raring to go. At most I would have taken Inzghi off at the 65 minutes mark, and also subbed Seedorf (he was exhausted all through the game) for what it was worth. And I never understood the Bonera situation either. Then again, the sign of a good coach is how he manages the team when there are injuries and whatnot. Most coaches can get good results with their first choice XI.

And as for when both Pato and Robinho are out, this is what I meant a few days back. Our tactics would have to radically change, they did today and look at the result. We can afford one player out of the Fab 4 any given Sunday. Only if another semi-experienced striker was here!. Then again, if dreams were horses then beggars would ride, so can't really complain too much. It was just that sort of a day.

You guys are all overreacting way too much!


3 games played.

1 W/ 1 D/ 1 L


Its normal!




Lets be realistic and logical about current situation. After 8 years of xmas tree and defensive football we changed to a very fluid 4-3-3. We never had the players to play this formation and we still don't. The only reason it works is because of individuals like Ronaldinho who single handidly win games for us. Looking at the team aspect of it, it will never work because we don't have the players.


I will explain why in simple terms:


You need 1 Target man (Ibra is not this). He's a creative foreward similar to pato but can pass.

you need 2 wingers. We have no wingers in our squad.

you need a good play maker. We have this in pirlo.

You need 2 box to box mids as you guys like to call them. We have boateng and flamini. 1 is injured the other needs time to adapt to how serie A works.

you need a solid back 4. We have this. Only department we lack is in the RB.




Leo took over last year and did something i've never seen before. He made a system work that doesn't suit the league, doesn't suit the team all around the performance of 3 players. If pato nesta and dinho were healthy, it worked. How it worked...? I can't explain because its never made logical sense.


Now Allegri got the team leo built that adjusted to that system and now he's trying to figure out what in the world Leo did to make it work because it doesn't make logical sense. Even if mourinho stepped into this team he'd be scratching his head wondering how the f*** does a team as slow and low tempo as ours play a fluid attacking 4-3-3 based on interchanging player positions.






So now allegri has either 2 choices. Stick to leo's formation and make some tweaks to work it out with the players he has (which he's doing) or change the system.

Both require months of work. It also doesn't help the coach when you sell your starting striker in which he's worked with heavily in the pre-season for a striker of complete different charactersitics in the last week of the transfer window.



Now we have players who can't function at all because they are all too similar. Pato and Ibra are too similar. Robinho and Ronaldinho are too similar.


Borriello used to balance the trident out because he offered something different. But now we have 2 players with similar characteristics and allegri has to somehow find the formula to make it work.


Its not so easy as 1 2 3. The reason catania had so many Counters against us has nothing to do with playing gattuso or not. Its all to do with the system.


The 4-3-3 were playing is unstable and unbalanced and everyone looks confused in it. Playing a DMF will not make it balanced. What we need to do is adjust the roles of who does what. Leo somehow made it work mircariousily and now Allegri has to do the same.



Thats why I said it will be around November when we will see Allegri's true potential. He needs time.

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*continuing from above post*



Now in Today's game, what do you guys expect. We have Inzaghi whose a poacher playing the target man and we have a creative foreward with little pace playing winger.


That right there shows me were gonna be in trouble. Had robinho played it maybe would have been a different result but who knows.




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So the moral of the story is:


We finally have a decent team with some depth and a coach with some potential. Lets get behind our team and support them. Lets not be a real madrid and sack our coach if he loses 2 games.


Lets have some faith its only sept 18. The fun has barely started forza milan!

No, let's be Real Madrid and sack our Milan Lab. The guys have been falling like butter that gets hit through by a hot knife. It was all fine and dandy a few years back, but starting with R99 in 2007, I have almost no faith in them doctors. Every week a new players goes down, can we please have a first choice XI for a month at least?! Bah!

Maybe they are not at fault, but that doesn't mean they are doing a good job as things stand.

Very poor, thought Catania played well but that's more to do with our inability to defend than them being a great side.

For like the zillionth time, Robinho did not even make the bench today due to injury.

i agree we need some changes. it doesn't help either that carlo took probably our best physio when he moved to chelsea.

Oh, did he now? Didn't know that.

I agree with that part of the post ! We should give the team a few games more and than hopefully everything will work!

Good teams don't need hope!

thats true but were far from good. Were just starting to build our team for the next 10 years slowly but surely. Were still a project in making.

He also took our player psychologist that was world renown and our fitness coach who was also world renown.


Bruno demichelles oh how i miss him

That's true. I think this has to be Nesta's last season, he was so out of position all night and him + Silva isn't working all that well. I'd rather keep Silva because he has a tonne of years ahead of him, get him a partner. Some full backs wouldn't go a miss either.

Well, I remember you were really... moved by Allegri's work after the matchday1 win and lebeled him a genius. now you see it's not that simple.

When I think about our (well, not mine) reactions after the Lecce game, I want to kick myself...

We are so sad.






EDIT: fwiw, I thought Silva, Dinho and Luca were our best players and KPB was MotM.

I'm sorry, but every time I lay eyes on your avatar, I see Tommy Lee Jones.

Yeah, he deffinetely would be, if not those silly fouls that were pissin' me off last night...

yah i was getting a little too excited. The post above was rational and logical thinking. The lecce game was not. After the lecce game i was hoping allegri was a miracle worker and now its saddening to know he's not


Its like when your 5 and you wake up on christmas morning hoping for that brand new video game instead you get a sweater lol.

Yep, it's the same thing most poeple here criticise Flamini for

and so does Gattuso.. they are defensive midfielders, fouling is part and parcel of their game..

Get Maldini/Nesta to come in and sit these guys down and give them some lessons in slide tackling.

Yeah, but only this time we got a sock, not even a pair, just a plain old sock. Sucks, really!

Just another dissapointment. What a surprise! Oh wait...Bonera was playing..


Milan does not need a miracle worker, IMO Milan need a more experienced coach with some kind of pedigree - at least one achievement in his career. Up till now Allegri developed a Milan with issues in every single department - the defenders seem unaccostumed to each other, the only reglar defender Milan fields right now sucks (Bonera), the midfielders don't work in his system and are not ratinally used, while the running forwards mostly spend energy on useless actions that end up in a dead end. I'm not satisfied with Allegri, I know, he needs time, but anyway...

I think it's time to drop the 4-3-3 line-up. This formation brings us too many problems. We have a good squad, but like Blue said, we don't have the adequate players for a 4-3-3. I really, really hope Dinho decides to not renew his contract and leaves for the US or Brazil, so we can finally sign a young and talented attacking midfielder (i.e. Pastore) and finally bring back the glorious 4-3-1-2 beauty that made us big in the last decade.



That would royally kick @ss. If you don't agree, then you're stupid (j/k).

We have Robinho if Dinho leaves, so that's your 4-3-1-2 down the drain

And A Palermo player coming to Milan? Good one

Yes, we do, but that doesn't mean we can't switch to 4-3-1-2. Robinho can always be Pato's substitute.

Not sure about the substitute business. I'm happy we got Robinho and all...but our problems are elsewhere.

From the official site:



We've had the same problem for the past 3 years now. We run around in possession and are exhausted. Teams sit back and soak up pressure, and since they're less tired they launch attacks quick..and we're caught dead.

F@ckin annoyed with this shite. I don't know what it is that needs to be done. But we need our three soloists up front to start doing some hard labour.

We've got three top players who in most other teams are good enough (have been good enough) to have the entire setup dedicated to play for them. They need to stop talking 'team' and play team.

I don't envy Allegri one bit. Carlo suffered making R80 and Kaka play in the same lineup. Mourinho couldn't fit Lampard and Ballack in the same lineup. He still doesn't know what to do with Kaka...so this is a really tough time to be Milan's coach.