That's the way they're listen on wiki, I don't think Blue did it like that himself.


You could say the same about Fabio in Spain. In his 2 seasons at Madrid, he failed to win 30 league games, that's quite alot, he got lucky that Barca were just as bad.


Jose has won stuff everywhere too, you could argue he's earned it the proper way, going through staff jobs into 'small-time' management then onto top clubs, rather than his playing career giving him a boost straight into the big time.

Well whoever wrote it in wiki sure likes to kiss some @ss

He still delivered, no matter how many games he didn't win, and that's the same case with Mourinho

Isn't that what I'm saying? That both come from the same mold? They are both serial winners, wherever they go they win. But let's not go into the whole past player debate, if you're not good then you could have been the best player in the world in your time, that still doesn't change the fact that you're a sh!t coach, having a past playing carreer didn't bring Fabio those titles, it's because he's a good tactician.

I never said his playing career bought him those titles, but his first job was Milan, probably when they were at their best too. He got a head-start in his managerial career. Jose had to go through staff jobs, assistant manager jobs and a small club before he got his big break (I wouldn't even say Porto are exactly a huge club), I think his success is much more of a s'tory' because he had to work hard to get where he is. Capello got the Milan job because his name was Fabio Capello.

I personally think Jose is better, but it's not by enough to say he's clearly better or anything.

I never said that the name due to his playing career didn't give Fabio a push, but had he not been good he would have made a bigger @ss out of himself if he failed at Milan rather then some Serie B or newly promoted club

I'm with Kurt on this one. Capello got a kick start with that timeless Milan teams. That's not discount his abilities, he did make it all work then. This is all a bit like Pep, straight away managing a top club. Mou had to work his way up, people still call him 'The Translator', I've seen opponent fans holding banners during matches.

Having said that, I fear his home record of not losing league matches will end in Real Madrid. I got this feeling.

Capello did what good coaches would do at those teams and win, but most good coaches could do that. I'd like to see him do something big with a lesser team, you could even count England because we haven't won anything for so long. If he delivers us a major trophy, then that'll prove me wrong.

You really can't compare him to Pep, the day Pep leaves Barca and has succes with other big teams in other countries you can start comparing.

Mourinho is more charismatic, while Capello is more of a serious character. Having said that it does not dether him from doing his job which is winning


If you're not cut out to coach you could have a top team in your hands and still manage to f*** it up in some way or another As i said it did give him that extra help in landing the job etc, etc, but had he failed it would have been a massive fall, where as, if he were coaching a small time team it would be something he could recover from.

EDIT, and at this point I don't think God himself can help England win a major trophy, let alone a mere mortal like Capello

Oh, not comparing, in any way. Pep is a rabbit, this is his first club after all. And for the record, I am not so sure he will achieve the same level of success he has been doing with Barca, with any other smaller club. He is more than welcome to prove me wrong, though, if he ever leaves to a new one.

Mourinho is as charismatic as an orangatang

ps Capello has a mountainous task ahead of him.

A mountain is a molehill compared to the English NT. What with teammates sleeping with eachothers wives. Players getting caught with their pants down cheating on their wives with prostitutes etc, etc

But I didn't say he was a bad coach, any decent coach can win with top teams. Of course bad coaches will mess it up, but then he's not bad. The very best coaches will win or massively over-acheive at any level.


Not while Blatter's got anything to do with football, no.

I know that isn't what you said, but you're also saying that he had it easy considering he landed the Milan job when Milan had the team they had. And as a new coach he could just have easily messed that up no matter the team he had, instead he took Milan to an unbeaten run, 3 CL finals, including the best final the team has ever played in. This all in his first coaching job. Yes Mourinho worked his way up through the system and is somewhat of an inspiration to the average man who isn't a top player. But imo, being a top player in his time does not take anything away from Capello the coach. Who aside from Milan has achieved great things, namely with Roma and Real

knew you were going to say something along those lines. If Italy could win it when Blatter was in charge (wouldn't even hand them the cup in the ceremony) I'm sure England would to if they weren't such bottlers

Bottle has nout to do with officials not allowing 100% legit goals, Blatter does though.

What goal?



It didn't cross the line my friend! Get over it!!

And the one is '66 did, yet we've had to put up with the Germans boring moaning for half a century.

This one is enough to shut them up! I still can't believe that wasn't given. I was laughing so hard when I watched it, was watching the game with a bunch of England supporters in a bar, I nearly got trampled on

I find it quite funny personally, both how an official can be so stupid and how every ridiculous incident seems to happen to us. It's very funny, in a sad way.

With all due respect Kurt, every team thinks that. In Croatia every time we fail it's because of the referees, the system or some conspiracy. Only difference - England get's more publicity.

I didn't just mean a refereeing error, but there's always a contrpoversial moment or big talking point that happens in our games, either that or penalties. I'm to think of a competition where one of those 2 things hasn't happened!

Barcelona - Mallorca is playing and interessed cause Real Madrid got draw agianst Mallorca..

Messi...Nice goal

So... Barca draw and Real thrash Deportivo. Barca have finally slowed down a little.

Deportivo getting thrashed is always good news.

Still bitter?

Always.

Madrid were immense, never thought I'd see DI Maria score a header of that quality!

Oezil is such a quality player. Can't believe Madrid signed him for only €15 million. Bargain of the year.

Good goal but I thought he was pretty annonymous otherwise.

Still can't stop laughing at Marcelos failed attempt to save the goal with his hand, what was he thinking.

What now haters, what are you gonna say now huh!!!!!!!!!!

^ Yawn.

I don't think anyone does deny that Jose is a great coach, Blue, some just don't have the same sense of homour as him and don't like it.

I think he's one of the greatest and most unique coaches ever, but sense of humor? he's deprived of any.

Great coach his record speaks for its self , some of his peers hate the way he goes about his buisness but i guess they respect his coaching skills

He is great, I admit it. True, he speaks bullshit quite often, but that way he attracts all tension around himself, leaving his players free of any pressure. It's a neat tactic, really.

Mou lost his assistant Vilas Boa who's now Porto manager,Mou could be found out @ Madrid.

???? what???



I've met andre and I have to say hes a very nice guy. He was mou's assistant at inter but left to coach a small team in Portugal as a manager. He did well and is now moving up the ladder. He's a big upcoming coach and you'll see him take over some big teams in the future.


He's nothing like mourinho though, i've seen him coach live and he's very different. He's detail oriented like mourinho but he's also very hands on. He gets involved on the pitch and usually leads the practice.

Mourinho usually has another coach run his practices and he observes and takes notes.


On the psychological level they also different. You won't see Villas-Boas insulting people in the press anytime soon; he doesn't use the same psyc tactics that mourinho uses.

He's also attack minded unlike mourinho. He has a different mentality to the game.

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If your talking about mourinho's tactics and stuff being figured out lol; it won't happen. I asked him that very question myself. I asked him did you learn the mourinho method, did you study him etc.


He told me that mourinho didn't mentor him at all; he was a scout for him at chelsea and was then moved to assistant coach at Inter but he was playing more of an understudy role to some of the older Inter coaches like baressi and bernazzani.


He also told me mourinho doesn't do anything special or anything out of ordinary in his sessions. The only thing he is does is organization and motivating. The actual tactical work and training sessions were run by club coaches.

Mou makes the programs coaches runs them.


But the progams in themselves must be unreal as he's won so much. I didn't ask him specifics as I got like a min to talk him and I was with a whole bunch of other coaches who were bombarding him with questions.

Barca 0-1 Valencia. 40th minute.

It'd be 0-2 now if it weren't for a great Valdes save. Barca do look shaky at the back.

2-1 to Barca now. Iniesta and Puyol score. the latter does a cutesy heart shaped hand celebration!

No, I was so happy when Hernandez scored!
It would be great if the game ended draw.

Great second half by Barca. That what we used to seeing from them.

Higuain and Ronaldo with a pair each in a 4-1 win at Malaga. Brilliant.

It looks like Real are in top form. I really hope they don't kick our butts.

Higuain usually chokes on the CL big stage so I still have some hope. But the thought of them coming up against Bonera is what worries me. Nesta will have to work double time if we are to have any chance.

Having said that Real have their own shaky defenders, so we'll have chances.

I didn't think Real were as mighty as the scoreline suggests. it was Malaga and we already know how in La Liga teams don't really bother to do pressing and all. we can stop them. if only Silva hadn't injured himself

They beat Deportivo 6-1 (mwahahahaha) last game as well.

They are finding their stride imo, but as zeddie said, teams in La Liga play a wide open game, Malaga should have spread out a red carpet straight to their goal the way they let Real play. Same goes for Deportivo.

I hope barca don't win. Can't stand another barca victory

I don't care, as long as Madrid don't win.

Same!

The winner of the classico will win the league

Please let Valencia or Villareal win it!!