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I_Rossoneri
QUOTE (han2503 @ May 2 2009, 04:15 PM) *
Maybe you're right and Pato is still not fully fit, but I'd still prefer a 1 leged Pato over Seedorf any day of the week.
But that's just my oppinnion. And in any case, if we go with the xmas tree and Pato really is not 100% fit, then there is Ronaldinho, who is infact an attacking mid and can play in the xmas tree unlike Seedorf who does nothing but slow every play we build up.

I think this would be a fairly simple decision to make, only Carlo would choose Seedorf in that position over either Dinho or Pato

Regarding the line-up my choice would be (considering Pato not being fully fit)

Zambro--Maldini--Favall0i--Janku
Becks--Pirlo--Ambro
Kaka--Dinho
Pippo


For me, this line-up basically picks itself out considering recent performances...


As much as I don't rate R80 I would sooner play him over the now useless Seedorf. IMO Seedorf should be thankful just to be on the bench, I can't remember the last time he dominated a game like he used to. Playing Seedorf is very similar to playing with ten men.
I_Rossoneri
QUOTE (Tennie @ May 2 2009, 03:15 PM) *
Ancelotti has given his prematch press conference.

Highlights:
* The lineup will be mostly the same as against Palermo, except that Janku will play in place of Flamini (who's suspended).
* There's a doubt as to whether Pato or Seedorf will play up front.
* Nesta, Borriello and Kaladze are recuperating but won't be ready or available for the end of the season.
* Rino is almost ready to return and could be used for the last two games of the season. He should be available to Italy for the Confederations Cup this summer.
* Ronaldinho is in good shape but he doesn't fit easily into the lineup that's gotten some very good results.
* Shevchenko hasn't played much but has been a good professional this year.
* Borriello is unsellable.
* If Gourcuff returns, Ancelotti would be content. He's done well with Bordeaux and has matured.


I read Borriello could be available for Juve?!?!
Tennie
I'm just quoting/translating what Ancelotti said in the press conference. Apparently he won't be available. sad.gif
I_Rossoneri
QUOTE (Tennie @ May 2 2009, 07:43 PM) *
I'm just quoting/translating what Ancelotti said in the press conference. Apparently he won't be available. sad.gif


Perhaps the mind games have started...

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MizNelson
QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ May 2 2009, 11:34 AM) *
I read Borriello could be available for Juve?!?!

No.

Someone posted this in R&B. I don't know whether to laugh or cringe.



Jack Sparrow
^^ Hee hee...that's very good. biggrin.gif


I always felt Seedorf played, because he was the only box-to-box available in the team. If Ronaldinho had showed any inclination to drop back and fight for the ball (Kaka, Pato and Borriello) do it, then it would be fine. He's still in La Liga mode.

Seedorf has completely sucked attacking wise for the past 10 games or so. But in the match against Palermo, I thought it was an important role he played helping Ambro keep Liverani in check. R80 wouldn't last 10 minutes if given a job like that.

These kind of trivial things might have an impact on the match. I don't think we have a strong enough mid-field where we can free all 4 of our attackers from defensive duty. I also feel Pirlo's play improves a lot with Seedorf, since Seedorf also helps cut spaces. While if R80 is playing, then Pirlo goes back to that DM role, instead of the playmaker role.


But that's the way I see it, and my affection for Seedorf might be clouding my judgement.
han2503
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 3 2009, 01:08 AM) *
^^ Hee hee...that's very good. biggrin.gif


I always felt Seedorf played, because he was the only box-to-box available in the team. If Ronaldinho had showed any inclination to drop back and fight for the ball (Kaka, Pato and Borriello) do it, then it would be fine. He's still in La Liga mode.

Seedorf has completely sucked attacking wise for the past 10 games or so. But in the match against Palermo, I thought it was an important role he played helping Ambro keep Liverani in check. R80 wouldn't last 10 minutes if given a job like that.

These kind of trivial things might have an impact on the match. I don't think we have a strong enough mid-field where we can free all 4 of our attackers from defensive duty. I also feel Pirlo's play improves a lot with Seedorf, since Seedorf also helps cut spaces. While if R80 is playing, then Pirlo goes back to that DM role, instead of the playmaker role.


But that's the way I see it, and my affection for Seedorf might be clouding my judgement.

I don't know which game you were watching Jack, but the one I was watching I saw Seedorf jogging around the center of the pitch everytime Palermo were on the attack. Pippo and Pato usually try to help defend better then him. I've never seen him willingly fight for balls, not even the ones he loses, and lets face it, he loses more balls then he plays in his current state of form.

I get where you're coming from in saying that he is unique to the team in what he does, personally I feel that when he does play in his position (in the midfield 3) he plays a lot better and contributes far more to the team, no matter what for he is in. But he is not an attacking mid and when he does play that high up the pitch his flaws come out 10 fold.

Dinho would be far more suited to that position, because it is HIS actual position, and I've seen him fight for balls in our matches, but no one sees those things because Dinho is always automatically labeled as lazy no matter what he does. If you have any tapes of past games one with Seedorf playing as an attacking mid and one with Dinho playing in that position, really look at what each of them bring to the game without your Clarence tinted glasses ( tongue.gif ) and you will see that Dinho is far better suited for playing that position and we suffer when Seedorf is the one playing there.
I_Rossoneri
Seedorf is 60% certain to play while Pato is 40%

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Zed.D
Seedorf should be thankful Carlo is the coach. I doubt any other coach would give him more than a bench role/occasional appearances. when Carlo leaves, Seedorf's Milan career will most probably end as well. I think one more season and he's off. he can't continue playing until he's 35 anyway...

Overall I think changing the coach at the end of the season is a very good idea. Maldini and a few others will retire, and Carlo's favorites will have to step aside from the regular lineup as well meaning a mini revolution would happen which is very much needed at Milan. hope we don't waste yet another season thinking we can get anywhere like this.
Rivaldo
Catania - Kosicky; Silvestri, Silvestre, Stovini, Capuano; Carboni, Biagianti, Izco; Mascara; Martinez, Morimoto.

Milan - Dida; Zambrotta, Maldini, Favalli, Jankulovski; Beckham, Pirlo, Ambrosini; Seedorf; Kakà, Inzaghi.

Forza Milan! cool.gif
CrazyMilanFan
any idea abt the bench??
Zed.D
QUOTE (Rivaldo @ May 3 2009, 04:44 PM) *
Milan - Dida; Zambrotta, Maldini, Favalli, Jankulovski; Beckham, Pirlo, Ambrosini; Seedorf; Kakà, Inzaghi.


No Pato, very old squad (I bet the age average is somewhere near 30). don't like it much but Forza Milan anyway.

EDIT: OMG it's 33.2 ohmy.gif ohmy.gif that's probably the highest in the history of football. seriously.
han2503
Don't have a good feeling about this game.

As expected Seedorf gets the nod over Pato or Dinho...

Typical Carlo
elcordobez
30min till game time!!

My fav time of the week

QUOTE (Zed.D @ May 3 2009, 10:26 PM) *

No Pato, very old squad (I bet the age average is somewhere near 30). don't like it much but Forza Milan anyway.


Well i hope his fitness was a factor to leaving Pato out of the starting 11.Not because Carlo thinks Seedorf is better.



QUOTE (han2503 @ May 3 2009, 10:31 PM) *
Don't have a good feeling about this game.

As expected Seedorf gets the nod over Pato or Dinho...

Typical Carlo


Neither,i see this one as a draw.

Won't be as convincing as recent weeks
han2503
^^^

Exactly

We're going to labour through this one. Last week the score line flattered us thanks to the penalties, this week we won't have that type of luck, we're losing Flamini's energy from that right side and he's been replaced by the rapidly declining Jankulovski, Seedorf like last week is again in the line up, set out to ruin every decent play we build up and this time the ref won't help us.

Hopefully if we're struggling by half time Carlo will get his head out of his @ss and bring on Dinho and Pato
TriniKing_CE
QUOTE (han2503 @ May 3 2009, 08:39 AM) *
Seedorf like last week is again in the line up, set out to ruin every decent play we build up and this time the ref won't help us.

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Classic 'Quote of the Week' material for sure in my eyes!

Possibly true, but still Funny as HELL!
Tennie
Keep an eye on Catania striker Morimoto - he's 19 or 20 and fast. they're going to have to pay close attention to him.
CrazyMilanFan
raining
Tennie
Ow. That was close, but at least it was finally cleared.
han2503
Catania hit the post...
Ry4n
QUOTE (han2503 @ May 3 2009, 02:07 PM) *
Catania hit the post...

you mean Zamrotta tongue.gif laugh.gif
CrazyMilanFan
maldini almost
dst
Ah... almost a Godly goal!
han2503
Anyone have a good stream, I'm pretty much having trouble with all the links so far, even bet365 is encountering problems
CrazyMilanFan
there crowd whistles are amazing the moment we hold the ball
Zed.D
Seedorf mad.gif
Zed.D
Juve 0-1 Lecce happy.gif
Ry4n
Catania and Palermo use the same stadio don't they ?!?
CrazyMilanFan
QUOTE (Ry4n @ May 3 2009, 02:08 PM) *
you mean Zamrotta tongue.gif laugh.gif

favilli huh.gif
Ry4n
QUOTE (Zed.D @ May 3 2009, 02:13 PM) *
Juve 0-1 Lecce happy.gif

omg lol really ohmy.gif
Tennie
btw, Gobbi 0 - 1 LECCE. biggrin.gif
Ry4n
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ May 3 2009, 02:13 PM) *
favilli huh.gif

the commentator said Zambro...im confused now lol
CrazyMilanFan
there pl;ayer broke his finger i think
Zed.D
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ May 3 2009, 04:50 PM) *
there pl;ayer broke his finger i think


He looks relax for someone who's broken a finger doesn't he? unsure.gif
han2503
Janku doing awful so far. Missing Flamini big time
CrazyMilanFan
QUOTE (Zed.D @ May 3 2009, 02:21 PM) *
He looks relax for someone who's broken a finger doesn't he? unsure.gif

true
TriniKing_CE
QUOTE (Zed.D @ May 3 2009, 09:21 AM) *
He looks relax for someone who's broken a finger doesn't he? unsure.gif

...sprain? maybe
CrazyMilanFan
we need to score bcoz sonner or later catnia will park the bus
Zed.D
Do we have any other tactic apart from.. long balls?

Siena 2-0 Napoli blink.gif
Zed.D
QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ May 3 2009, 04:55 PM) *
...sprain? maybe


Yeah that's what I thought
CrazyMilanFan
pippo scores excellent play by kaka
Ry4n
SUPER PIPPO GOAL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dst
Lovely play and setup by Kaka, Inzaghi finishes like the cool cat that he is!
Zed.D
Pippo!
RinoIlCapitano
kaka is i a mood again, nice play!
han2503
Pippo cry.gif

His awsomn form right now is the main reason we've won these past 2 games with this cr@p system. Hopefully we'll win this one (finger crossed)
TriniKing_CE
PIPPO!!!
CrazyMilanFan
another gr8 ball by kaka
CrazyMilanFan
should have scored
han2503
That Morimoto kids needs a good kick in the @ss
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