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Fillipo Simone

Apr 5 2009, 09:56 PM

QUOTE (dst @ Apr 5 2009, 09:54 PM)

And now Shevchenko remembers he's still a footballer and serves a beautiful goal to Pippo... who manages to injure himself while celebrating...

This was like old times. The gold numbers (ik), the Sheva-Pippo duo, the typicall Sheva cross,...

mishie

Apr 5 2009, 09:56 PM

they're giving the 1st goal to R80 by the way...tactical and technical just like i said but a win is what we deserved and what we got

FORZA MILAN!

weeeow

Apr 5 2009, 09:57 PM

QUOTE (dst @ Apr 5 2009, 09:55 PM)

Senderos > Pato !!!

...

Fillipo Simone

Apr 5 2009, 09:57 PM

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Apr 5 2009, 09:45 PM)

OMG, someone shoot Dinho!!

Sorry pal, we didn't shoot him, and he scored 1 and made 1 up.

Ry4n

Apr 5 2009, 09:58 PM

FORZA SENDEROS + INZAGHI

Zed.D

Apr 5 2009, 10:00 PM

I personally wouldn't mind at all if Senderos stayed as our fourth CB...

Ugly, ugly performance by the team. we didn't deserve to win IMO. with the exception of Pato, Flamini, Favalli and Pippo, no one did well IMO.

amancik

Apr 5 2009, 10:00 PM

Yes! Winning late like this is priceless...Pato deserves a goal though...

Tennie

Apr 5 2009, 10:01 PM

Dida didn't have much to do, zeddie. What he did was okay too.

So was Il Capitano.

Fishdoll +1 cookie to zeddie for recognizing Favster's good play.

gal_kenny

Apr 5 2009, 10:03 PM

I think I just figured out something...The key to Sheva's success is his long hair...

Zed.D

Apr 5 2009, 10:04 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 6 2009, 01:27 AM)

Sorry pal, we didn't shoot him, and he scored 1 and made 1 up.

Senderos scored the 1st goal.

dst

Apr 5 2009, 10:05 PM

Lecce are by far the worst team that has come to San Siro this season and it'd be a shame if we had not beaten them. Just look at how many times we beat them in the air... we won as many aerial battles as we had won so far through the whole season...

It's sad that the young one did not score. He did not have a very good game but he still was our best player and had many chances to score especially that header... I hate it when he does not score!

Carlo brought See out and he made a good change with Sheva in Kaka's place but he'll go to hell anyway for making that first substitution...

MizNelson

Apr 5 2009, 10:05 PM

Doesn't change my opinion of wanting Senderos gone after the season, though.

Did you see Benussi after Pippo scored? He was absolutely livid and got in Konan's face immediately afterward. Lecce's defending was nonexistent on that goal.

mishie

Apr 5 2009, 10:06 PM

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Apr 5 2009, 10:00 PM)

I personally wouldn't mind at all if Senderos stayed as our fourth CB...

Ugly, ugly performance by the team. we didn't deserve to win IMO. with the exception of Pato, Flamini, Favalli and Pippo, no one did well IMO.

couldn't disagree more...we were the only team after a result, ugly or not we wanted to win unlike Lecce who had a formation at time of 6-3-1....they made the game ugly and i think we throughly deserved the 3 points

dst

Apr 5 2009, 10:07 PM

Did I mention I'm happy to see Seedorf getting subbed!?

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Apr 6 2009, 12:00 AM)

I personally wouldn't mind at all if Senderos stayed as our fourth CB...

Shut up!

Zed.D

Apr 5 2009, 10:07 PM

QUOTE (Tennie @ Apr 6 2009, 01:31 AM)

Dida didn't have much to do, zeddie. What he did was okay too.

So was Il Capitano.

Dida wasn't tested. he might have made a blunder had Lecce pressured us.

mishie

Apr 5 2009, 10:07 PM

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Apr 5 2009, 10:04 PM)

Senderos scored the 1st goal.

they're giving it to R80 as he had the last touch and the flight of the ball changed

amancik

Apr 5 2009, 10:07 PM

QUOTE (gal_kenny @ Apr 6 2009, 05:03 AM)

I think I just figured out something...The key to Sheva's success is his long hair...

gal_kenny

Apr 5 2009, 10:08 PM

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Apr 5 2009, 09:00 PM)

I personally wouldn't mind at all if Senderos stayed as our fourth CB...

I disagree too..He should go back....

dst

Apr 5 2009, 10:09 PM

QUOTE (mishie @ Apr 6 2009, 12:06 AM)

couldn't disagree more...we were the only team after a result, ugly or not we wanted to win unlike Lecce who had a formation at time of 6-3-1....they made the game ugly and i think we throughly deserved the 3 points

Certainly. We should have done MUCH better but still deserved the 3 points.

I'm still shocked at how bad Lecce played... they had one good chance in the whole game and we were playing with Senderos at the back...

MizNelson

Apr 5 2009, 10:10 PM

Senderos headed the ball, and it went off of Dinho's head and in. Therefore, it's Dinho's goal.

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Apr 5 2009, 02:07 PM)

Dida [...] might have made a blunder had Lecce pressured us.

Sigh...

Zed.D

Apr 5 2009, 10:10 PM

QUOTE (mishie @ Apr 6 2009, 01:36 AM)

couldn't disagree more...we were the only team after a result, ugly or not we wanted to win unlike Lecce who had a formation at time of 6-3-1....they made the game ugly and i think we throughly deserved the 3 points

A good team should be able to play football against any side, lecce's included. we're far away from that.

Zed.D

Apr 5 2009, 10:12 PM

QUOTE (mishie @ Apr 6 2009, 01:37 AM)

they're giving it to R80 as he had the last touch and the flight of the ball changed

Then they should give his Napoli goal to Denis.

If Senderos's header was on target (which I think it was), the goal is definitely his.

mishie

Apr 5 2009, 10:13 PM

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Apr 5 2009, 10:10 PM)

A good team should be able to play football against any side, lecce's included. we're far away from that.

i thought at times we did play some good football, moved the ball around well and spread the play the unfortunate fact is to many players were below par hence the struggle to win the game

mishie

Apr 5 2009, 10:15 PM

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Apr 5 2009, 10:12 PM)

Then they should give his Napoli goal to Denis.

If Senderos's header was on target (which I think it was), the goal is definitely his.

well they didn't they gave it to R80 and as stated in my previous post doesn't matter if it was on target the fact R80 altered the flight of the ball so they will give it to him

Zed.D

Apr 5 2009, 10:18 PM

@ mishie

Senderos saved our ***, not Dinho. that's my point.

amancik

Apr 5 2009, 10:18 PM

I wouldn't say our performance was bad, it wasn't excellent but there were times when I was quite impressed with the pace of the game. Although, our players' ball control and passing weren't fluid, they were moving the ball faster than usual.

Tennie

Apr 5 2009, 10:20 PM

Think you're a little harsh on Dida, zeddie. He DIDN'T make any mistakes even if he wasn't tested all that much.

Definitely not the best Milan game I've seen but hey. 3 points is 3 points and the Gobbi drew at the weekend, so we're 2 points closer to 2nd.

Zed.D

Apr 5 2009, 10:23 PM

QUOTE (Tennie @ Apr 6 2009, 12:50 AM)

Think you're a little harsh on Dida, zeddie. He DIDN'T make any mistakes even if he wasn't tested all that much.

I don't think so. Lecce had two or three shots (not dangerous ones) on our goal. so I can't say Dida was good, because he wasn't involved.

MizNelson

Apr 5 2009, 10:42 PM

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Apr 5 2009, 02:23 PM)

I don't think so. Lecce had two or three shots (not dangerous ones) on our goal. so I can't say Dida was good, because he wasn't involved.

He's been pretty much mistake-free and has done his job in the past two matches since taking over for Abs, and we have two clean sheets. That's all that matters.

Rivaldo

Apr 5 2009, 11:41 PM

Carletto's victory....

MizNelson

Apr 5 2009, 11:45 PM

Obscenely bloated ratings by Goal.com for today's match. Never mind that we sucked until extra time.

QUOTE (Goal.com[b)

]Dida – 7.0:[/B] The Brazilian keeper didn’t have all that much to do throughout this match; however he dealt with everything that was asked of him, and managed to record a clean sheet in the process.

Zambrotta – 8.0: The Italian international was dominant on the right flank all match, especially in attack, as he sent in a countless number of balls into the area on a consistent basis.

Maldini – 6.5: The captain of the Rossoneri was forced from the field with injury after just 40 minutes of play, and prior to that taking place, he did everything that was required of him.

Favalli – 7.0: The veteran defender was fairly solid defensively, and despite a shaky start, in which he allowed Tiribocchi to get in behind him and threaten Dida in goal on two occasions, Favalli got better as the match wore on.

Jankulovski – 7.5: Similar to Zambrotta, the Czech international was up and down the left flank all match, providing great services to his attacking team-mates up front.

Flamini – 7.5: The Frenchman was very impressive at times tonight. He did well to get himself into shooting positions on a number of occasions, and he was unfortunate not to see at least one of his efforts beat Benussi.

Pirlo – 8.0: Continued the impressive form he showed in Italy’s two recent world cup qualifiers, as his passing and creativity was very good once again tonight. His ball into the area is what resulted in the opening goal to Ronaldinho on 91 minutes.

Seedorf – 5.5: The under fire Dutchman will come under further scrutiny after tonight’s performance, as his impact was minimal yet again, leading to him being replaced just eight minutes into the second half by Ronaldinho.

Kaka – 7.0: Made a welcomed return to the starting XI, and despite taking some time to impose himself in the match, he got better as it wore on; especially following the inclusion of Ronaldinho in the second half.

Pato – 8.5: Without doubt the most dominant player on the pitch tonight. He gave the Lecce back four an extremely tough time every time he was in possession of the ball. He had a number of opportunities to break the deadlock throughout, including a glorious effort on 34 minutes that had Benussi beaten, an incredible solo effort on 44 minutes that deserved more, and a header on 59 minutes from a Zambrotta cross.

Inzaghi – 7.5: Worked as hard as always tonight, after earning yet another start in Rossoneri colours. He managed to score the second goal on 93 minutes, with a header from a Shevchenko cross.

Subs: Senderos 7.5, Ronaldinho 8.0, Shevchenko 7.0

No way do most of these players deserve to crack 7 territory. Ridiculous.

TriniKing_CE

Apr 5 2009, 11:51 PM

QUOTE (dst @ Apr 5 2009, 05:05 PM)

Carlo brought See out and he made a good change with Sheva in Kaka's place but he'll go to hell anyway for making that first substitution...

+1
LOL

I myself wasn't thrilled to see Il Capitano come off either, for Senderos at that too... Atleast he helped us atain a win.

QUOTE (mishie @ Apr 5 2009, 05:06 PM)

couldn't disagree more...we were the only team after a result, ugly or not we wanted to win unlike Lecce who had a formation at time of 6-3-1....they made the game ugly and i think we throughly deserved the 3 points

+1

QUOTE (amancik @ Apr 5 2009, 05:07 PM)

Sheva was successful long before his long hair era, this has nothing to do with his assist today!
Shevchenko has gotten older, and a lack of regualr football over the past few 'YEARS' has caused a need for change in his approach to the game. This isn't getting to be acted upon, since he isn't in form and we can't wait for him to adapt at the moment. All in all, Shevchenko screwed up his playing career (unfortunately) from the time he signed for chelsea. Sad that he hasn't be able to get back to his best since this. It is a damn shame, who knows what more he could have accomplished by now had he not made that MISTAKE!

Anyway - no use crying over the past, just need to look foward.
Regardless of what else transpires in the 'story of Shevchenko' he will always be a Legend in my eyes. (He became one before even leaving Milan) ...And Legends - Don't Die! (figuratively speaking obviously)

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Apr 5 2009, 05:10 PM)

A good team should be able to play football against any side, lecce's included. we're far away from that.

Milan has certainly changed from what we have once known and loved it for being (hopefully it will get back to its best really soon - the wait was been long and torturous

), its no where near the likes of what Milan used to be, but putting that aside, today's performance wasn't really 'bash' worthy. Surely a draw today against Lecce would have been a great disappointment, and we somehow managed to get the win late in the end (thank goodness). We weren't at our best today, that for sure is damn certain (we actually haven't seen Milan at their best for quite some on a regualr basis), but today we were also FAR from our worst.

Tennie

Apr 5 2009, 11:58 PM

By way of comparison with the ratings on the Website Not To Be Named, here are Datasport's ratings:

Dida 6 Paraticamente inoperoso per tutta la gara ma suda freddo su un tiro di Tiribocchi che termina di poco a lato.

Jankulovski 6 Spinge davvero molto sulla fascia sinistra, sta bene fisicamente e i compagni ne approfittano.

Maldini 6 Gioca come può con un leggero problema agli adduttori della gamba sinistra. Sostituito a pochi minuti dalla fine del primo tempo.

Favalli 6.5 Ad inizio gara soffre la velocità di Tiribocchi, riesce a prendergli le misure giocando di anticipo.
Zambrotta 6.5 Sembra non risentire del doppio impegno con la Nazionale, corre moltissimo ma i suoi cross non sono precisi come al solito.

Senderos 6 Entra al posto dell'infortunato Maldini e gioca una buona gara. Il gol di Ronaldinho per poco nnon è suo visto che il brasiliano tocca il pallone involontariamente.

Flamini 6.5 Da qunado è iniziato il ritorno di campionato il francese ha offerto prestazioni sempre migliori. Un valido aiuto per la squadra, vista l'assenza di Gattuso e il non ancora pieno recupero di Ambrosini.

Pirlo 6.5 Il metronomo del centrocampo si diverte. I centrocampisti avversari non lo impensieriscono mai e lui può lanciare i compagni con tutta calma.

Kaka' 5 Cade sempre, forse ha sbagliato le scarpe. Se Dunga ha detto che è stato il suo staff a rimetterlo in piedi e questi sono i risultati non ci siamo proprio.

Seedorf 5.5 Cincischia molto. Con la palal tra i piedi è formidabile ma oggi non è incisivo.

Inzaghi 6.5 Praticamente inoperoso per tutta la gara si sveglianel finale con l'ingresso di Ronaldinho e Shevchenko che sanno come servirlo, difatti trova il raddoppio di testa su assistenza dell'ucraino.

Ronaldinho 6.5 Porta in vantaggio i rossoneri con un fortunoso colpo di testa. per la verità il tiro è di Senderos ma il brasiliano è sulla traiettoria e tocca il pallone.

Shevchenko 6.5 Era una vita che non lo si vedeva in campo e lui fa di tutto per mettersi in mostra. Suo l'assist del raddoppio di Inzaghi.

Pato 7 E' inutile nasconderlo. Questo ragazzo ha una marcia in più degli altri. Da rivedere la sua progresisone nel primo tempo o la sua conclusione dai trenta metri che si spegne di poco a lato. Un fenomeno.

MizNelson

Apr 6 2009, 12:07 AM

QUOTE (Tennie @ Apr 5 2009, 03:58 PM)

By way of comparison with the ratings on the Website Not To Be Named, here are Datasport's ratings:

[said ratings]

Those are much better. +1 piece of peppermint bark to Fishdoll.

GATTUSO91

Apr 6 2009, 04:36 AM

what`s the final score in milan-lecce?
k can`t see the match and y want to know the score

Darunia

Apr 6 2009, 06:46 AM

2-0 Milan =D

Senderos/Ronaldinho scored and Pippo added the second.

vahid

Apr 6 2009, 09:53 AM

How is Maldini? is his injury serious or not? can he play next week?

elcordobez

Apr 6 2009, 11:00 AM

re:Pato

Yes in hindsight he could've been less selfish at certain times,but then again what if he scored?Then we'd be saying,thank god he was selfish at that moment.

Either way i'm sure he'll strike the right balance over time,whatever he chooses to do on the field at his age right or wrong is valuable experience for himself.
Another thing,judging primarily from replays,the body language from the team sometimes is quite negative when Pato screws up one of his runs but i hope behind closed doors they are supportive.

MizNelson

Apr 6 2009, 11:33 AM

QUOTE (elcordobez @ Apr 6 2009, 03:00 AM)

judging primarily from replays,the body language from the team sometimes is quite negative when Pato screws up one of his runs but i hope behind closed doors they are supportive.

Oh, I think they are. He's young and inexperienced, and just has a tendency to hold on to the ball too much and is surrounded by opposing defenders as a result.

Zed.D

Apr 6 2009, 11:38 AM

QUOTE (elcordobez @ Apr 6 2009, 01:30 PM)

re:Pato

Yes in hindsight he could've been less selfish at certain times,but then again what if he scored?Then we'd be saying,thank god he was selfish at that moment.

Either way i'm sure he'll strike the right balance over time,whatever he chooses to do on the field at his age right or wrong is valuable experience for himself.
Another thing,judging primarily from replays,the body language from the team sometimes is quite negative when Pato screws up one of his runs but i hope behind closed doors they are supportive.

+1

Exactly my thoughts (great minds think alike after all

)

Had his finish been more accurate, it would've been a super goal (even better than his goal at the Olimpico). I for one don't complain he took his chance. he made it himself out of nothing.

As for some of his teammates' reactions, well, whenever they stopped playing like they don't give a hoot and actually played like a Milan player, then we'll talk. especially last night I saw an awful Kaka and to a lesser extent Seedorf, Janku, Zambro, etc.

Zed.D

Apr 6 2009, 11:45 AM

QUOTE (MizNelson @ Apr 6 2009, 02:03 PM)

Oh, I think they are. He's young and inexperienced, and just has a tendency to hold on to the ball too much and is surrounded by opposing defenders as a result.

I don't think he holds on to the ball too much; not anymore. Dinho and Seedorf do that.

Rossoneri7

Apr 6 2009, 01:50 PM

A very good performance overall. Milan dominated from the very first minute of the game, controlling the whole field and constantly pouring the pressure on Lecce. Credit is due to Lecce for defending real well the whole match though.

Some notable comments on specific players from yesterday's match:

Out of the midfield players:

Pirlo is on top form .. What this player does with the ball at his feet is simply fantastic !

Flamini has really improved from when he first arrived, and I expect him to continue on this path.

On the attacking players:

Kaka' seemed to do well .. Not by his usual standards, but considering the persistent injuries that has kept him from producing his usual standards. Nevertheless, I am grateful that he is able to play.

Ronaldinho seems to find it difficult in finding spaces, as he is constantly being tackled whenever he gets the ball. Give him space and his creativity is what opened up the chance to score the second. He will come clean at the end.

Pato has show maturity and is cementing his presence in this team. I don't think I can add more, as he has been a consistent factor upfront

Shevchenko ... A banner on the Curva Sud last night read: "Carletto, show more respect to Shevchenko!" I hope he stays on.

3 points in the bag and 4 points a drift off 2nd place. Yet I think the season is over, inter got the Scudetto, Juve will have to get ready for next season and so will Milan.

han2503

Apr 6 2009, 01:59 PM

QUOTE (gal_kenny @ Apr 5 2009, 10:03 PM)

I think I just figured out something...The key to Sheva's success is his long hair...

Sheva's golden ball win was for his 03/04 season, that's when he had the cropped hair cut. I actually had to make a double take when I saw him with the long haor again, when I see his long hair the moment my mind automatically switches to was that CL goal against Inter, the curler with his left foot from the edge of the box. That was an unforgettable goal...

As for him playing well, I think he can never go back to what he was, but do I think he could be useful to us next season should he play more? Definately!! He's just been way off his game these past 2 seasons, imo, Sheva was mostly ruined for the 2006 world cup, he got injured in the last few games of the season with Milan, they pushed him into recovering and playing for the world cup, then he was off being paraded around the US with Chelsea in their summer tour, and after that he was constantly played as a winger in Mourinho's rigid system, after that first season at Chelsea it all went down hill for him, both with injuries and form.

As for the discussion of whether or not we deserved to win this game, I think we did based on the fact that we played decent, didn't even give Lecce a look in and for Carlo's positive subs. I think the subs alone to me were the highlight of my week not even the win, just because they proved to Carlo that if he is positive the results will come.

I_Rossoneri

Apr 6 2009, 07:36 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 6 2009, 01:50 PM)

A very good performance overall. Milan dominated from the very first minute of the game, controlling the whole field and constantly pouring the pressure on Lecce. Credit is due to Lecce for defending real well the whole match though.

Some notable comments on specific players from yesterday's match:

Out of the midfield players:

Pirlo is on top form .. What this player does with the ball at his feet is simply fantastic !

Flamini has really improved from when he first arrived, and I expect him to continue on this path.

On the attacking players:

Kaka' seemed to do well .. Not by his usual standards, but considering the persistent injuries that has kept him from producing his usual standards. Nevertheless, I am grateful that he is able to play.

Ronaldinho seems to find it difficult in finding spaces, as he is constantly being tackled whenever he gets the ball. Give him space and his creativity is what opened up the chance to score the second. He will come clean at the end.

Pato has show maturity and is cementing his presence in this team. I don't think I can add more, as he has been a consistent factor upfront

Shevchenko ... A banner on the Curva Sud last night read: "Carletto, show more respect to Shevchenko!" I hope he stays on.

3 points in the bag and 4 points a drift off 2nd place. Yet I think the season is over, inter got the Scudetto, Juve will have to get ready for next season and so will Milan.

Very good post and agree with all but the Shevchenko part - IMO he is finished and has nothing else to offer.

Fillipo Simone

Apr 6 2009, 07:56 PM

QUOTE

I personally wouldn't mind at all if Senderos stayed as our fourth CB...

Ugly, ugly performance by the team. we didn't deserve to win IMO. with the exception of Pato, Flamini, Favalli and Pippo, no one did well IMO.

Now, here's a new perspective,..

I mean...we didn't desereve a victory? Who did? Lecce? Seen 2nd half?
Naah, won't bother discuss,..yeah, we played like sh@t and deserved to loose.

il_diavolo_mtl

Apr 6 2009, 08:00 PM

i find Dinho's passing is SO UNDERRATTED.... just thought him and Pirlo put on a passing clinic

Fillipo Simone

Apr 6 2009, 08:03 PM

If find Dinho's been threated very unfair. We have to give him more time and more chances. In his first season, he didn't do bad at all IMO.

Tennie

Apr 6 2009, 08:03 PM

Wow. Someone else noticed that Pirlo had a decent game.

+1 gateau a mtl!

il_diavolo_mtl

Apr 6 2009, 08:14 PM

Lol merci bien Dizaine

dst

Apr 6 2009, 10:46 PM

A note about Ronaldinho; he controlled a long ball amazingly well at some point. I've seen him do that with harder to control balls while also surrounded by a couple of players and I'd honestly pay just to see him kick the ball up in the air and control it down. I've never seen anyone do that so beautifully and seamlessly.

If only he was a real professional...