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m1ke
In a recent interview, Galliani openly discussed the Goalkeeping situation at Milan. He mentioned that in Carlo's eyes, the current pecking order for the No.1 spot goes Kalac, Abbiati and then Dida (whilst the club 'evaluate' his current condition).

Kalac had a solid season in 07/08, and was a breath of fresh air for Milan fans who'd learnt to look away every time the ball entered Dida's penalty area. But is he the right man to take Milan forward during 08/09? The 'Other' option is for people who think Milan should spend yet more money in the transfer window - if you pick this option, drop some names in this thread!
LaPalma
Kalac. He played a solid season last year. He's our best option though I agree with others that none of our GK is good enough to be our no 1.
Jack Sparrow
Kalac, let the others work their way from square one. Abbiati was dropped for Dida, and then Dida for Kalac. Let's see if things come a full circle.
dst
Kalac. Abbiati just came in and he's not better than him while Dida is not ready.

Undeniably, Dida is our most talented goalie but he should be give up on his actor's career first before he's given a real chance again.
misha
Kalac dry.gif
acid911
Kalac. dry.gif Hmph.
Bluesummers
abbiati, hes the better of the three.
kurtsimonw
Abbiati is the best of the keepers we have, and as I do not believe we'll bring another in, he should get them.
agenth
who voted Dida!

anyway, Kalac, who has proven himself, and thankfully they acknowledged him and gave him the Nr#1 spot biggrin.gif
MizNelson
Nine votes for Kalac? Guess nothing's sacred anymore. dry.gif
KillerMax
I voted Dida. I miss him.
acid911
QUOTE (MizNelson @ Jul 29 2008, 03:02 AM) *
Nine votes for Kalac? Guess nothing's sacred anymore.

That includes me. sad.gif Provided he gets back to his former glory, I want Dida to fight his place back so no one can take it back from him. Let everyone see the true worth of Abbiati and Kalac; there's a reason they never were first choice material. If he starts, fans will keep on negating everything the Brazilian does, and I'm afraid that'll be that.

If Dida wants to fight his way back, then let's do it the proper way. Best of luck to whoever starts. sleep.gif
agenth
QUOTE (MizNelson @ Jul 29 2008, 12:02 AM) *
Nine votes for Kalac? Guess nothing's sacred anymore. dry.gif



QUOTE (KillerMax @ Jul 29 2008, 12:02 AM) *
I voted Dida. I miss him.


Yes, you#re in love with the idea of the old Dida not the Dida-now. But reality check says that he proved to be very difficult to be in use last season. I'm not hating on him, just saying it's better to trust in someone, who tried to save us match for match. If Dida finds back to his old ability, i'll be there acknowledging his Nr.#1 status with open arms.

Name shouldn't matter, but ability.

Forza Kalac.
acid911
QUOTE (agenth @ Jul 29 2008, 03:38 AM) *
Name shouldn't matter, but ability.

You overestimate the name, then. biggrin.gif The only reason Kalac looks this good is because Dida is so miserable. Admittedly, he made some very decent saves last season (all the while being in the shadows of Dida), so I don't dislike him. But wasn't he the one who landed us fifth place? Didn't even get us to the quarters of the CL? He had a good patch, and anyone else would have done equally good.

I guess what I'm trying to say here is even though he deserves the gloves (as of now), there is absolutely no telling that he'll keep it up, and his form, all season. Sooner or later he'll get back to what he was. And while there's absolutely no question in saying that he should start from the first match, the real battle will be between Dida and Abbiati. Kalac looked great because not much was expected form him. huh.gif He was after all a second-choice stepping up to fill a first-choice's boots because the later had fallen of grace. This time we'll need all cylinders firing between the posts if we want to mount a challange for the league. No two words about this.

Kalac never was first choice, and I don't see him being towards the end of his career, touching age 36. dry.gif
agenth
QUOTE (acid911 @ Jul 29 2008, 12:58 AM) *
You overestimate the name, then. biggrin.gif The only reason Kalac looks this good is because Dida is so miserable. Admittedly, he made some very decent saves last season (all the while being in the shadows of Dida), so I don't dislike him. But wasn't he the one who landed us fifth place? Didn't even get us to the quarters of the CL? He had a good patch, and anyone else would have done equally good.

I guess what I'm trying to say here is even though he deserves the gloves (as of now), there is absolutely no telling that he'll keep it up, and his form, all season. Sooner or later he'll get back to what he was. And while there's absolutely no question in saying that he should start from the first match, the real battle will be between Dida and Abbiati. Kalac looked great because not much was expected form him. huh.gif He was after all a second-choice stepping up to fill a first-choice's boots because the later had fallen of grace. This time we'll need all cylinders firing between the posts if we want to mount a challange for the league. No two words about this.

Kalac never was first choice, and I don't see him being towards the end of his career, touching age 36. dry.gif


Maybe you're right. But he has earned the right to try again, and how would have our season ended if he wouldn't have been at least a step better than his precedent?

I've said, that I don't know if he'll keep up, but as long as he has better performances than Dida, he should stay Nr.1
acid911
QUOTE (agenth @ Jul 29 2008, 04:15 AM) *
Maybe you're right. But he has earned the right to try again, and how would have our season ended if he wouldn't have been at least a step better than his precedent?

We'll never know, buddy. wink.gif Last year Dida was almost as bad (or worse) and we ended our season as the Champions of Europe. I'm not saying it may have happened again, but like I said, this is something we'll never know. Plus, Kalac was pretty bad towards the end of our league season - let in goals in dozens. The Fiorentina performance was his peek, he unnecessarily got Man of the Match award at Emirates. If Arsenal had better finishing we'd have let in a bundle of goals in that game too. Recall the the Adebayor miss, towards the end?

Bottom line: As number one club in the world, we shouldn't even be talking about goalkeeping. Seriously. The situation is that dire. sad.gif I don't recall Juve/Inter or even Roma fans having discussions about their glovesmen, and so shouldn't we. A new age of Milan keeper is upon is, sooner rather than later.

QUOTE (agenth @ Jul 29 2008, 04:15 AM) *
I've said, that I don't know if he'll keep up, but as long as he has better performances than Dida, he should stay Nr.1

Stole words from my mouth. cool.gif Whoever is the best should wear the jersey! And based on potential, talent and skills, Dida is twice the keeper than both of our other two combined. Provided he gets his mojo back. Provided.
whoarethepatriots
I have little confidence in any of them, but that said Abbiati is probably the best. It would be unfair to kalac to strip him of No1 status so my vote goes to him. Unless Kalac goes into normal mode and makes ridiculous errors in Pre Season, it should be him and then Abbiati. Why Dida is still at the club is puzzling, can we please get rid of him and his high wages

Edit: We should have invested in someone like Curci and offloaded Abbiati and Dida
gal_kenny
At this moment..Its definitely Abbiati...
MizNelson
QUOTE (gal_kenny @ Jul 29 2008, 03:23 PM) *
At this moment..Its definitely Abbiati...

It'll take more than 45 minutes for the smoking zebra to earn a starting spot.
acid911
QUOTE (MizNelson @ Jul 30 2008, 06:19 AM) *
It'll take more than 45 minutes for the smoking zebra to earn a starting spot.

Haha. Truth. wink.gif But whoever takes up the responsibility, best of luck to them. They'll need it, for the sake of us finishing the season with some gold. Crap or not. Traitor, or otherwise.
Jack Sparrow
My opinions haven't changed on this matter. It's Kalac, Abbiati and Dida for now.
Zed.D
I don't know... last night Kalac wasn't the surprising 'keeper [since normally he's an average 'keeper] we saw last season. he was so distracted and wobbly. Abbiati on the other hand showed determination, and well, saving three penalties [and a few great saves during the game] against a team like Inter is a feat, even if it is 'a meaningless 45-minute preseason friendly.'
han2503
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jul 30 2008, 08:30 AM) *
My opinions haven't changed on this matter. It's Kalac, Abbiati and Dida for now.

Come on Jack, he was terrible yesterday and imo he was bad last season also apart from 4 games when he played out of his skin. The only reason he managed to keep his starting spot is because we only had Dida and Fiori.

And you might say last night was only a friendly, but isn't that what friendlies are for (apart from the money wink.gif ) to help the coach evaluate the players' fitness and form ahead of the season? Kalac showed that he is back to his old ways.

Abbiati showed that at least for now he deserves to start. And I hope that he will be the one to start against Sevilla in Moscow. Kalac was never good enough, simple fact
Jack Sparrow
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 30 2008, 05:03 PM) *
Come on Jack, he was terrible yesterday and imo he was bad last season also apart from 4 games when he played out of his skin. The only reason he managed to keep his starting spot is because we only had Dida and Fiori.

And you might say last night was only a friendly, but isn't that what friendlies are for (apart from the money wink.gif ) to help the coach evaluate the players' fitness and form ahead of the season? Kalac showed that he is back to his old ways.

Abbiati showed that at least for now he deserves to start. And I hope that he will be the one to start against Sevilla in Moscow. Kalac was never good enough, simple fact


And I'm saying one friendly shouldn't start a fever. Suppose next game you see Abbiati letting one in through his legs, what then?

Of course in terms of ability Abbiati is head and shoulders above Kalac...he's in the NT for Pete's sake. I'm just saying one friendly doesn't mean he starts. Maybe over the course of performances in training and friendlies from now till August. So you pick the player in the best condition.

Basically, I'm saying it's too early to tell. What if Dida starts against Sevilla and ManC and does all Abbiati does and more. We know he's capable of it. I mean didn't we judge Abbiati as cr@p till before the merda match (god knows why rolleyes.gif), so what if the 'Real Slim Dida' turns up?

Holding onto my judgement is what I'm doing for now...
kurtsimonw
It was clear Abbiati was the best of the 3 keepers anyway, and he solodifies his position as the should be #1 with his performance yesterday.

Who cares about what he said in the past? You play the best players avilable to you, if you're going to let petty things get in the way, and drop somebody because of it, you're a very weak coach. Then again, we do have Carlo..
han2503
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jul 30 2008, 12:38 PM) *
And I'm saying one friendly shouldn't start a fever. Suppose next game you see Abbiati letting one in through his legs, what then?

Of course in terms of ability Abbiati is head and shoulders above Kalac...he's in the NT for Pete's sake. I'm just saying one friendly doesn't mean he starts. Maybe over the course of performances in training and friendlies from now till August. So you pick the player in the best condition.

Basically, I'm saying it's too early to tell. What if Dida starts against Sevilla and ManC and does all Abbiati does and more. We know he's capable of it. I mean didn't we judge Abbiati as cr@p till before the merda match (god knows why rolleyes.gif), so what if the 'Real Slim Dida' turns up?

Holding onto my judgement is what I'm doing for now...

All I'm saying is that he was great yesterday and because of that performance he should start in the Railway Cup games. I never said that he should be a definate starter for next season. But this is why the friendlies are, judging by that performance it's obvious who should keep the gloves for the next friendly. And if by any chance he returns to the Abbiati who was at Atletico then Carlo can re-think about who should start, but until Abbiati keeps performing solidly ie being consistant and on form during the entire pre-season then I see no reason why he should not be given the #1

It would be illogical of Carlo to keep rotating between the 3 keepers when there is already an obvious choice, and once that 1st choice screws up then Carlo will regroup and see who is doing better. Until then Abbiati should continue starting according to his performances.

And you might say that these are only pre season friendlies but from how Kalac reacted when he conceeded those 2 goals especially the first one you could see how important these games are to him because he knows he will lose his place. Which is a good thing imo

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 30 2008, 01:53 PM) *
It was clear Abbiati was the best of the 3 keepers anyway, and he solodifies his position as the should be #1 with his performance yesterday.

Who cares about what he said in the past? You play the best players avilable to you, if you're going to let petty things get in the way, and drop somebody because of it, you're a very weak coach. Then again, we do have Carlo..

Exactly
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jul 30 2008, 03:38 PM) *
And I'm saying one friendly shouldn't start a fever. Suppose next game you see Abbiati letting one in through his legs, what then?

Of course in terms of ability Abbiati is head and shoulders above Kalac...he's in the NT for Pete's sake. I'm just saying one friendly doesn't mean he starts. Maybe over the course of performances in training and friendlies from now till August. So you pick the player in the best condition.

Basically, I'm saying it's too early to tell. What if Dida starts against Sevilla and ManC and does all Abbiati does and more. We know he's capable of it. I mean didn't we judge Abbiati as cr@p till before the merda match (god knows why rolleyes.gif), so what if the 'Real Slim Dida' turns up?

Holding onto my judgement is what I'm doing for now...


Good post smile.gif

Dida remain #1 biggrin.gif
acid911
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jul 30 2008, 05:38 PM) *
Of course in terms of ability Abbiati is head and shoulders above Kalac...he's in the NT for Pete's sake.

Hey, that's my dialogue. tongue.gif Anyway, super post, Captain. Full of logic.
LaPalma
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 30 2008, 03:53 PM) *
It was clear Abbiati was the best of the 3 keepers anyway, and he solodifies his position as the should be #1 with his performance yesterday.

Who cares about what he said in the past? You play the best players avilable to you, if you're going to let petty things get in the way, and drop somebody because of it, you're a very weak coach. Then again, we do have Carlo..

I don't think I agree with that. IMO you should play the eleven players with the best chemistry.
agenth
huh`what did he say in the past, again?
acid911
QUOTE (agenth @ Jul 30 2008, 09:37 PM) *
huh`what did he say in the past, again?

Pretty bad stuff. dry.gif Tennie will have all the details (or MizNelson), but apparently he was cross with Milan for loaning him out every year. Honestly, if anyone's a traitor he's this guy. Someone like Gila looks a saint in his company. Trust me on this one.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (LaPalma @ Jul 30 2008, 04:19 PM) *
I don't think I agree with that. IMO you should play the eleven players with the best chemistry.

Yes, I agree with you. What I meant was playing your best team, the team that works best, etc. Not dropping somebody that's a part of that just because of something he said.
LaPalma
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 30 2008, 07:23 PM) *
Yes, I agree with you. What I meant was playing your best team, the team that works best, etc. Not dropping somebody that's a part of that just because of something he said.

OK...then we agree smile.gif
MizNelson
QUOTE (acid911 @ Jul 30 2008, 09:54 AM) *
Pretty bad stuff. dry.gif Tennie will have all the details (or MizNelson), but apparently he was cross with Milan for loaning him out every year. Honestly, if anyone's a traitor he's this guy. Someone like Gila looks a saint in his company. Trust me on this one.

I apologize in advance if I've posted this already, but I've mentioned this on many different forums that I lose track. Anyhoo, Abbiati played up to the Juve ultras and insulted Milan by singing "Chi no salta rossonero" when Juve won the '06 Scudetto.

QUOTE (Pirate Jack)
Of course in terms of ability Abbiati is head and shoulders above Kalac...he's in the NT for Pete's sake.

Well, yeah, but he hasn't been capped since 2005. It's been quite awhile.
Tennie
I voted 'other'. At this point, I haven't seen (or read about) enough of the various performances of the candidates to have a definite preference. Dida hasn't even played yet (though to be honest, he's still got a pretty black mark in my book for what he did at Parkhead). I think it'll be easier for me to have a preference after the next few friendlies.
dst
Dida looks so cool with his new hair though.
acid911
QUOTE (dst @ Jul 31 2008, 03:28 AM) *
Dida looks so cool with his new hair though.

Really? huh.gif Haven't seen any of his latest photos.
dst
QUOTE (acid911 @ Jul 31 2008, 01:36 AM) *
Really? huh.gif Haven't seen any of his latest photos.

Saw him during the Trofeo TIM presentation. It's just a bit longer than before but he looks much cooler in my opinion. Wait, I'll just take a snapshot.

Here
acid911
Aw thanks, dst. smile.gif Dida has been known to change hairstyles every now and then. Just like Ronaldo does.
agenth
QUOTE (dst @ Jul 31 2008, 12:44 AM) *
Saw him during the Trofeo TIM presentation. It's just a bit longer than before but he looks much cooler in my opinion. Wait, I'll just take a snapshot.

Here

reminds me of ronaldo's hairstyle


although there are better ones. shame that when i type in i almost see only cris




acid911
QUOTE (agenth @ Jul 31 2008, 04:01 AM) *
although there are better ones. shame that when i type in i almost see only cris

Best quote I've read in a long time. sad.gif At least, in my country Ronaldo = that Manchester guy. Only people who have a knowledge of world football know the Brazilian. Most recall Christiano.
MizNelson
QUOTE (dst @ Jul 30 2008, 03:44 PM) *
Saw him during the Trofeo TIM presentation. It's just a bit longer than before but he looks much cooler in my opinion. Wait, I'll just take a snapshot.

Here

Yowza. You just made my night, dst. smile.gif
Locke Lamora
QUOTE (agenth @ Jul 31 2008, 01:01 AM) *
although there are better ones. shame that when i type in i almost see only cris


Playing with ourself aren't we Ronaldo?
From that chick's eye you can see she's thinking "What the f...? Nevermind, the pay is good."
MizNelson
QUOTE (Tennie)
he's still got a pretty black mark in my book for what he did at Parkhead

In all honesty, I'd rather see him make an *** of himself on the pitch than off it (et tu, Ronaldo?).

QUOTE (Locke Lamora @ Jul 30 2008, 05:33 PM) *
Playing with ourself aren't we Ronaldo?

That's not him; I think it's Cris.
Locke Lamora
QUOTE (MizNelson @ Jul 31 2008, 02:43 AM) *
That's not him; I think it's Cris.



Well I meant that Ronaldo.
MizNelson
QUOTE (Locke Lamora @ Jul 30 2008, 05:48 PM) *
Well I meant that Ronaldo.

I was thinking of Cris from Lyon and the Brazilian NT. My mistake.
acid911
Yeah, that's everybody's favorite friendly neighborhood Christiano Ronaldo. laugh.gif Enjoying himself, I must add.
Tennie
QUOTE (MizNelson @ Jul 30 2008, 08:39 PM) *
In all honesty, I'd rather see him make an *** of himself on the pitch than off it (et tu, Ronaldo?).


I'm going to respectfully disagree on this point. My personal interest is in the club, not in any one individual who plays on the team (not even Maldini). Embarrassing the team by one's on-pitch behavior is Bad. (And yes, this would also include things like Carlo flipping off the Juve fans).
MizNelson
QUOTE (Tennie @ Jul 30 2008, 06:55 PM) *
I'm going to respectfully disagree on this point. My personal interest is in the club, not in any one individual who plays on the team (not even Maldini). Embarrassing the team by one's on-pitch behavior is Bad. (And yes, this would also include things like Carlo flipping off the Juve fans).

Point taken.
Jack Sparrow
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 30 2008, 09:22 PM) *
All I'm saying is that he was great yesterday and because of that performance he should start in the Railway Cup games. I never said that he should be a definate starter for next season. But this is why the friendlies are, judging by that performance it's obvious who should keep the gloves for the next friendly. And if by any chance he returns to the Abbiati who was at Atletico then Carlo can re-think about who should start, but until Abbiati keeps performing solidly ie being consistant and on form during the entire pre-season then I see no reason why he should not be given the #1

It would be illogical of Carlo to keep rotating between the 3 keepers when there is already an obvious choice, and once that 1st choice screws up then Carlo will regroup and see who is doing better. Until then Abbiati should continue starting according to his performances.

And you might say that these are only pre season friendlies but from how Kalac reacted when he conceeded those 2 goals especially the first one you could see how important these games are to him because he knows he will lose his place. Which is a good thing imo


Well there's no argument from me, that right now the score is Kalac:0 Abbiati:1 Dida: N/A

But what I mean is, the goalkeepers should continue to be rotated in the friendlies. So that in the end, everyone has had an equal amount of chances, and it has been established beyond doubt who is the best. We can't just continue to start Abbiati from now on, and ignore the others. In fact it might be counter productive, he might get complacent again. At which point he is worse than even Fiori!


QUOTE (MizNelson @ Jul 31 2008, 03:18 AM) *
I apologize in advance if I've posted this already, but I've mentioned this on many different forums that I lose track. Anyhoo, Abbiati played up to the Juve ultras and insulted Milan by singing "Chi no salta rossonero" when Juve won the '06 Scudetto.


Well, yeah, but he hasn't been capped since 2005. It's been quite awhile.



There was also the incident where a post criticizing Dida and Ancelotti came up on his website. He denied it of course, said it was his webmaster who had done it.

Oh btw..he's in the NT I think. He was recalled after Peruzzi retired right?
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