@Pana:

That's the last thing I'd say. That Carletto is infallible. I mean it's Carletto we're talking about...not Gila.

I already said, what his major fault was. His squad is based on 3 formations, alternating(on a good day) fluidly.

4-3-1-2;4-3-2-1;3-4-1-2;

But without his first choice fullbacks and without Pirlo in touch, yes, Milan is a bit impotent, and has to depend on magic from Kaka and Seedorf and now Pato. It almost worked on Saturday too.

Look you guys seem to think I like Carletto to the point of thinking he's an angel sent down to coach and saying anything against him is blasphemy.

I'm not. But I don't think the Roma loss on Sat was his fault. It wasn't like an Emerson own goal or anything now was it??

And yes I agree with you Pana. Mourinho is a good coach, but I don't think he's the best ever.

But for what it's worth, I do in Tennie's words get a bit 'snarky' when Carletto, Cafu, Sergio, Seedorf etc are treated with such obvious disrespect as if they were soiled diapers.

Ahh...yes the transfers...well now we can hit on Galliani and Carletto for it. But the reason I'm not over worked up over it is because it's the first time I've seen our failing being so obvious and the board still not make any changes. I'm talking about this season. The season before I'd give them calciopoli. So I'm sure there has to be some reason for that. Maybe it is like Bluesummers hypothesized, we needed to pay off our debts before the management felt it could splash out again.

And Milan is a private owned company. So they're not going to come out with their entire financial statement. So we can't say. If next season as well, we do nothing, then perhaps I shall get suspicious.

I just look on the bright side, at least I don't hear about Galliani running about looking for a re-financing over the next 5 years.

In general, to blame Carlo for the Roma loss is ridiculous. What was he supposed to do, leave Seedorf in and have him risk further injury?

I'd have to humbly disagree here on this part. He has to share some of the blame. The reason? Carlo is the team coach, not you and I or anyone here in this forum. Even if the management did not invest in some world class transfers, he should have asked for some at least 2-3 "not so world class" players, to at least strengthen the squad. And if they don't provide that, then resign. How hard is that?

He should have had the strength to stand up, because after all it's his team that's suffering (along with us, the fans). Instead he chose to lay down, and play nice, knowing full well what was at stake, and asked for a player like Emerson. I don't have anything against Emo (and Carlo), but his best days are bygone at Roma. At the bottom end, he should have graduated some more players from the youth squad, like he did with Paloschi. Not to mention, motivated his players - you can do wonders with a motivated squad. Last time I checked our team, not everyone's last name was Maldini and Kaka.

Still, it could have been much worse: We could have played in the Semis of the Champions League and lost, while at the same time squandered our chances in the league. And that would have guaranteed UEFA Cup next year. As of today, we've still got a chance. I just hope, like you all here, that we can pick up our mess and get things rolling in the right direction.

I agree. His choices are some times terible... but he is considered by some to be useless which is totally absurd.


Maybe you will say that he made it look like there was no competition (which is partly true, he did an amazing job) but in my opinion he only faced an equally big team last season and he lost... anyway... it seems that Mou is considered a God but well, I have my own religion!


Now this is where we disagree...

Let's say one of the two starting CB's in a game is injured or gets injured and the coach replaces him with the first choice sub... if the latter scores an own goal is it the coach's fault? Well to me it is not... what is he supposed to do, predict what will happen? He picked the best choice... it's the player's fault 100%.

So scoring an own goal does not necessarily mean the choice was wrong.

But when the coach does something that changes the flow of the game he is to blame. It's not Emerson's fault. Brocchi or any other DMF in the world would have had the same effect on the game. Introducing another defensive player was an invitation for Roma to attack us. We had control of the game up until that moment. Now I'm not saying that Carlo is the only one at fault here... the flow changed but had our players remained calm we would have won the game. We conceded two goals due to defensive mistakes. Everyone's at fault.

So in my opinion, Carlo did not lose us the game but he underpinned Roma's comeback... there was no reason for a change in tactics, in my view he made a big mistake.

If you want to analyze why he made such a mistake I'd probably say he made it cause he is under big pressure. He wanted to take all 3 points home to prove a point and that made him unable to think clear... or something like that. He knows that if he fails to reach 4th he'll be out in the summer...

Give me 120 million pounds to spend and we won't even have the need to talk. A class team like Milan will win day in and day out, even with someone like me at the helm.

A large bank account for transfers does not a great team make. You can spend 120 million for a player like Ronaldinho, or get 120 players for a million each. The point being that the true worth of Carlo will be evident once he leaves Milan and coaches another team - now or in the future. Only then we can gauge how much a hand he has in success of our team.

He said on the official site before the season had started that he did not want anymore players in any position, maybe except for an Pirlo alternative in the form of Emerson. He also said in another interview that his squad was complete and anymore players would hurt the team chemistry or something along those lines.

Tabarez? Zaccheroni? Ehem,..that's not true. Noone can handle Milan as good as the insiders, like Carletto, Rijkaard, MvB and some others.

That's certainly not true... just ask Moratti...

My point was not that anyone can do a better job, obviously insiders (Milan family) are better suited for the post. What my point of difference was that judging the success of a coach by the amount of transfer budget. Heck, you can spend 360 million and still end up with zero success.

Carlo (and the management) had two transfer seasons to make up for the fall, and they still didn't. Somehow we've been trying to end up fourth for the second time running, and that's completely unacceptable for a club with players of the caliber that Milan has.

I'm sure that 90% of the other coaches would end up 5th, 6th or even worse. Hell, Capello reached that point even,..

90%, there are still some that might have changed things for the better. I'm in no way disrespectful for all the great things Carlo's done for our club, but as with every one, there will come a time when he'll have to leave. When it comes is anyone's guess.

Still, I'm hoping that things turn for the better - both for Milan and Carlo.

i dont think he he's completely usueless i just find he's been really bad over the past two years at managing this club. i mean of course h's going to get it right but 2/3 games he doesnt little or nothing to really impact a game enough for us to win. the past 2 years we've played like crap (beside s a few games) and to come out and say we're one of the best clubs in europe at the moment is just pathetic. after a while of mediocrity from everyone you have to wake them up, give a em a tongue lashing. afterall these arent fragile babies here, they're being paid millions and in all honesty the only ones have earned their paycheck over the past 2 years is kalac,nesta,paolo (of course), and kaka, and at times pirlo.

honestly he sounds like messina's coach with his "we played very well and i have nothing to reproach my team, blah blah talk..." talk. he says this all the time. FFS what is gonna say when we miss out on 4th (which is highly possible)? well we played well enough to win the scudetto but we were unlucky. it just doesnt make sense.

and all this talk about him not having certain players available and it isnt his fault, etc. well i remember us being mediocre at the beginning of both seasons even with a full squad and every coach has the same problem as carlo throughout a season.

theres no way around our situation. when milan struggle 2 season in a row to make 4th especially when the rest of the league is crap as well, well somethings wrong witht he coaching staff and the players. people have to stop defending the whole team and making excuses. it's quite clear their doing this because their insecure and scared of changes.

That's probably the best thing I've read on why Carlo should go.

Serie A is in bad times at the moment, people claim it's too easy for Inter as there are so many bad teams. So why are we struggling? Calciopoli is NOT an excuse in my opinion, especially seen as the two teams that were punished the most - Juve and Fiorentina - are doing better than us, in fact, they're both over-acheiving really.

Who would have thought that defending Carlo or most of our players would be that tuff. We need R7 back,..

Anyway,..I don't consider myself insecure or scared. Don't think Jack or anyone else is. In fact, if someone is insecure, then the ones who wan't a coach change at any chase. I'm against it. I'm very sure we'll reach 4th place, step into a bright transfer period and get us the needed help. We need changes, or better, upgrades.

indeed

do i want carlo out at all cost? no. but changes are needed and carlo is not one to like that so if it's necessary to get ride of him then so be it.

the proof is in the pudding

And what if we don't?

Well in that case we'll be open for new options, if you get me,..

But Galliani has said Carlo will be Milan's coach next season no matter what...

Galliani is hardly likely to say publicly anything else even if (as some have hypothesized) a deal's already been made with another coach.

very good point

I think a change of coach is needed. Not because Carlo is not good enough but because we need start something new. I think it'd be better for both sides. He needs a new challenge too. Milan have never sticked with one coach for much longer before anyway so all we tradition-loving fans would find it no alarming either...

But the most important thing is to get some more-than-necessary new players... if we get who we need I would not be unhappy to see Carlo coach Milan next season. But as I already said I think it'd be better for both sides...

Also (and I believe this is very important) I think we should get a new coach and go on with the new coach's choices as I don't think Carletto will stay with Milan after 2009. He will probably step down and become the new Italy coach or something. It will be harder to introduce a new coach at that time.


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