what a team!!!!

nobody could run
nobody could pass
nobody could cross
nobody could shot
nobody could drible
nobody could make a single fu**ing thinggggg

edhe the man of the match: Kakhaber "the error" Kaladze was simply amazing.... he couldn't do anything at all.


I would suspend all the players with 4 weeks of wages for not giving enough effort.

Kaka? Loan? dst?

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*Deep breath* Wow... I needed that. It's kind of like a drug. Look what have you done Milan. Milanfan.com has become a place for heartache and misery.

Well.

I'm glad I didn't see the game and don't know if I'll stay up late to watch the replay.

That said, it seems the prediction I made some months ago is sadly accurate: I predicted a bad season and it looks like we're having one.

Motivation is a big problem. So is the lack of depth. Both need to be fixed, but in honesty I don't know if they CAN be fixed in time to save Milan this year.

goal.com: AC Milan ratings

Kalac – 6: In truth Kalac did not have a worthwhile save to make all game. He was faultless on both of Atalanta’s goals.

Bonera – 5.5: Given a real run-around by Langella and made very little impact as an attacking force either.

Nesta – 5.5: Poor game from one of the world’s best defenders. Fell hook, line and sinker for Langella’s dummy on the equalising goal, and had a rocky night.

Kaladze – 5.5: Kaladze had been a rock for 60 minutes of the game until a quite horrendous error gifted Atalanta the winner. If it hadn’t been for this mistake Kaladze probably would have got a rating of 7/7.5. Unfortunately this is how it works. If you are an angel all your life and you commit murder, you still go to prison.

Favalli – 5: I was never a fan of Favalli when he was in his prime – even less so now he is in his mid-30s. At fault for the first goal.

Gattuso – 6.5: Much improved performance from Gattuso who at least showed signs of returning to form. He is still lacking the fire and energy that we have come to know from him though. Will this ever return?

Seedorf – 6: Flattered to deceive did Seedorf tonight. He always threatened to produce some brilliance but it never quite came off. Was unlucky not to earn an equaliser at the death as his piledriver was brilliantly saved by Coppola.

Pirlo – 8: Absolutely brilliant once again. Sprayed passes around the pitch all game and was the man behind all of Milan’s first half dominance. At one point I counted five 30-yard passes to a team-mate’s feet within the space of five minutes. Genius!

Kaka – 6.5: Electric in the first half, but went missing in the second, despite an excellent late turn and shot that forced a save out of Coppola.

Pato – 6: Disappointing game from the youngster. Showed some explosive bursts in the first half, but he missed a glorious one-on-one and barely had a kick after the break.

Gilardino – 5.5: What can you say about Gilardino? He just isn’t a Milan player - simple as that. His lack of technical quality just doesn’t suit the Rossoneri. He is not on the same wavelength as the likes of Kaka, Seedorf and Pirlo.

Substitutes: Ronaldo - 6, Oddo – 4.5, Gourcuff - NA

... Seriously, what will happen if we fail to finish in top four? this is getting scary now

We'll win the CL

What will happen if we fail in our league objectives, and, don't win the CL?

Oh come on, there was no mistake... edit Kaladze out and you can see that it was simply a case of 2 against one... Kaladze did not do any mistake, it just would have been no different if he had stayed at home!

Alright... I'm a good doggy and I will believe that the pitch was slippery while waging my lil' tail... but the dumb **** jumped! Now don't tell me the air at Bergamo is slippery too cause the doggy will bite!!

Just keep him fielding him... he's done worse... Siena anyone?


Just look at Nesta's reaction... there's nothing more to say. He just can't believe he saw that.


Yeah... why not? It's possible... I mean... I thought anyone who's payed at least 5 bucks can stop Simone Inzaghi...

why is it that all our goalies we have out on loan are playing amazing but the goalies we keep strugle?

Bad management I guess...

He puts his hands up at first like, "what the f@ck was that?" And then after Tissone scores he starts bitching at God for creating such ineffectual creature... Hilarious...

Very good question !!


It isn't a matter of either/or ... Sure there is a possibility of missing out on the final and 4th place; which would ultimately cause havoc amongst both the San Siro crowd and the Milan dressing room. Not only that, it might even lead to the end of this current cycle of Milan, whatever goes up must come down.

What Milan accomplished last season was something beyond normal. It was Milan against the world, and at times against it's own fans !

Can it happen again ? Sure it can, we'll see .. The odds are stacking up just like they did last season

p.s. But if this same performance continues, then 4th place is not possible. But the CL, I believe Milan can do it (it's for Paolo afterall) and no team holds Milan's current record in that tournament.

It's really a case of "what the **** was that?"!! Kaladze is not unskillful he's just unbearably stupid! He thinks that no matter the situation he can take the ball away. Sometimes you just have to do the simple things... all he had to do in this occasion was to smoothly stand beside his opponent. Especially since it was Simone Inzaghi; if he had not lost the ball, the ball would have lost him...

@Carletto: Pato cannot score 30 goals, it's just that you always gave Ale and Kakha different-color bibs...

How can we lose to this guys?

Honestly. We're a f joke.

We're just the same as Liverpool in my opinion. Crap tactics, can't beat small teams. Don't deserve to be in the CL next season. Simple as that.

We're over the half way point, the games are starting to run down now and we need to start being consistant, otherwise we have zero chance of finishing in the top 4. When was the last time we put a few wins together!?

Here are datasport's ratings. They're not at all kind to Milan. I can't remember the last time more than one player got a 4 from these guys.

Kalac 6.5 Buone parate, incolpevole sui gol. [Good game, goals not his fault.]

Bonera 6 Gioca un buon primo tempo, ma poi deve lasciare il campo al piu` offensivo Oddo. [Played a good first half, but then was subbed out for the more offensive-minded Oddo.]

Kaladze 5.5 Il modulo a due punte piu` Kaka` e Seedorf scopre la difesa. Lui e` bravo negli anticipi, ma va in difficolta` quando e` uno contro uno. [The 2 striker model puts pressure on the defense. He's good in anticipating, but has problems with one on ones.]

Favalli 5 Non ha piu` l`eta` per le sgroppate e infatti non gli vengono richieste visto che dovrebbe rimanere a presidiare la zona difensiva, Pero` con la velocita` di Ferreira Pinto soffre parecchio. [Not young enough. Suffered against the speed of Ferreira Pinto.]

Nesta 5.5 Cerca di mantenere la bussola, ma non puo` evitare di andare in difficolta` viste le mancate coperture dei centrocampisti. [Tries to maintain the line but can't avoid problems with the missing cover of the midfielders.]

Oddo 4 Poco piu` di 20 minuti sono bastati per far capire perche` Ancelotti gli preferisce Bonera. Entra per dare un po` di spinta e garantire qualche cross decente in mezzo, ma non fa nessuna delle due cose. Inguardabile. [20 minutes is enough to understand why Ancelotti prefers Bonera. Enters to provide some decent crosses, but doesn't do it.]

Kaka` 6.5 Il solito gran movimento alla ricerca dello schizzo vincente. Per poco, a cinque minuti dalla fine, non gli riesce. [Theusual great movement in search of a winning play. In short order, in five minuts from the end, it does not succeed.]t
Gourcuff s.v. Qualche scatto velleitario in una decina di minuti. [Some decent plays in ten minutes.]

Pirlo 7 Dirige il gioco con ritrovata maestria, sembra che solo dai suoi piedi possano partire azioni decisive. [Directs the game, seems to be the only one whose feet can direct decisive actions.]

Seedorf 6 Inizia alla grande con alcune giocate davvero spettacolari. Poi cala alla distanza costretto in un ruolo che ormai non sente piu` suo. [Started well with some spectacular plays. After fell into a role he doesn't feel.]

Gattuso 6.5 Un gol, anche se fortuito, e una partita giocata con la solita generosita` gli fanno meritare un ampia sufficienza. [One goal, even if lucky, and a game decently played.]

Ronaldo 5 Gioca una mezzoretta, ma a differenza di Udine non riesce a trovare nemmeno uno spunto. [Played 30 minutes but doesn't find any chances.]

Gilardino 4.5 Quando un attaccante non ha nemmeno un`occasione, la colpa e` anche sua che non se la cerca. [When a striker doesn't have even one chance, the fault is also his for not looking for them.]

Pato 4 Decisivo in negativo. Clamoroso e imperdonabile l`errore sullo 0-1 che avrebbe pootuto chiudere la partita. [Decisively negative. Impardonable error on the attempt that could've closed the game.]

And it's funny that some guys in this forum laugh at Liverpool CL/PL situation...

Anyway... sack Ancelotti. I'm tired of that face in Milan bench.

Not really, this was our 17th game. But we do need consistency if we want to reach 4th place. It's still highly possibly but not if we keep playing like this.

I thought we'd played more than that! Obviously not. But the way we're playing, the only thing we're going to do is move down the table, not up it. Atalanta? Come on.

That's me!

This same team has won 2 CL's and and a Scudetto being runners up once and twice respectively. You can't say they are of the same quality as Liverpool, you just can't! Most of them might be "done" but if we had a team as talented as Liverpool's we'd be fighting for relegation now!

edit: I meant: Most of them are "done". They cannot compete for a c'ship. But the gap in quality between Milan's and Liverpool's first XI (when they both play at 100%) is immense. And this Liverpool will never win the EPL. They need 10 new players to do it. Their bench is even worse than ours...

But instead of looking and comparing us to Liverpool we should do that with Inter. Improve ourselves and not playing for the same cup every year since Calciopoli.

We look like a pile of shite this season. That's the truth. And you can quote this shite whenever you want. I just don't care.

C'mon guys , Forza Milan !

Yes, Inter are our opponents, I only talked about Liverpool in the EPL thread.

This season we are crap but it doesn't scare me so much. I still think we will reach 4th place. The thing is that our future looks black!! We need like 10 players in order to be able to compete for the c'ship next season and that means 14 players should come in considering that some will flop... It's just not possible. And that is sad cause in my view, it means that we won't be able to compete for the scudetto the next season for sure and maybe not even the one after that!

Yes, there are positives to take from this game... Seedorf, for the first time this season, passed with one touch!

F*ck this game , Forza Milan nonetheless

I'll always be behind this club, no matter what so yes, Forza Milan!... But there are big problems that we have and it all just makes me sad.

Me too buddy , but we will succeed in the end . Why ? Because we always have

I dont wanna brag , but damn , i really love my previous post

Not always. You've seen Milan's dark late 90's... I don't want to re-live such a period and it looks like we are going down the same road.

It is exactly the same: An old team that no one wanted to admit it was old because we loved it. Until it was inevitable...

If it happens it happens man , its not like any of us can stop it. Unless you you have a time machine and go back in time and shoot Morrati & prevent calciopoli from ever happening

But it wont happen , and if it does I'll buy you pizza when you're in Drama again.

See , you cant lose

I swear man just one more good transfer like pato and we'll be set. Someone for defence like a LB would be good to cover for janku when he is injured. Favalli is great and all but we need pace on the wings.

What they are saying about Gilardino here is what I have been saying since the first day he came. A 20 million euro loss. The guy doesn't fit the Milan mold. I don't care if he's on the team but he is not a first choice. just watching this guy game in and game out is the most boring display from a forward in any major team. He just stands there just trips over himself. Our squad tactically needs a top forward upfront. We said Torres but No we have Gilardino. What about Ibrahamovic? No we have Gilardino. What about Van Nistelroy? No we have Gilardino. What about Luca Toni? No we have Gilardino.

Pato is still young but he did have little flashes of quality out there today. I still think he works better with a Ronaldo than a player like Gilardino. Gilardino is standing there waiting to get the perfect pass. Pato and Ronaldo are finding creative ways to work together to break apart defenses.

Because nobody can judge how good a player will be in a new team. I presume we bought him as he was young, Italian and did very well at Parma.

We could have signed Torres and he failed miserabley, you just don't know these things. Look at Chelsea, they bought arguabley the best striker in Europe, and he's been a waste of time.

agreed.

when he was at parma he looked as good as pippo in his prime but with much better technique. the guy was scoring over ahead kicks! i remeber watching this amazing game were he scored parmas 4 goals and they won 4-3.

Scheva was a greater risk than Gilardino IMO but he has come through for Chelsea in various competitions. He hasn't been the Milan player that was but to go from Italy to the Prem is a big leap tactically and the fact that you don't get the space that you would in Serie A he has struggled to perform. Plus he's 30+ and the prem is the fastest moving league out there its none stop up and down the pitch. This is what I saw when I was at Stamford Bridge watching him go forward.

The issue with Milan and Gilardino is not really taking the original risk which sure anyone might fail, but leaning of bending knee praying that Gilardino is magically going to come around and play like he did in Parma. Its the continued confidence that he is going to come around. Again as I said in the previous post its not that he should not be on the team but he should not be one of our main go to guys for goals unless he earns it. With most teams you perform = your a first choice to play. With Gilardino its we have faith that you will eventually perform = you play regardless if you don't perform because we have faith in you. And really in other words we don't want to look stupid that we invested 20 million euros in you and were wrong. ANy other club would have gotten rid of this guy a long time ago.

great post and couldn't agree more. but you have to know that it's this system of "faith in our players" that has played a big part in the Milan success in past 2 decades and of course every system had it's down turns and Gila has been a down turn. now the management are as usual gonna try to get the best of him... but like you said sooner or later the player has to realize that he can't perform in this team.

that is sad, bonera who is a CB can give us better cross then oddo RB...but that doesn't mean he's good at crossing...it's like 1 of 5(bonera) against 1 of 10(oddo)...

The most important thing is to be able to play in the CL next season. I'm optimistic we can do it one way or another, or at least I'm trying to be optimistic.

I think this cycle will come to an end no matter what happens. of course it's more likely to happen if we don't win the CL and don't finish in top four!!



That's when you can bring a few new players each transfer window and you don't, because you think you are good as you are...! I don't think we need 10 new players though, imo five world-class players will do [CB, RB, LB, GK, FW], but of course the more the better...

It's time for us to break the bank after two/three dreadful transfer windows where we almost did nothing positive [aside from signing Pato].

The cycle ends, when Milan finishes in the UEFA spot and doesn't reach Moscow. Meaning Ancelotti is out the door, the team will break up, and who knows what the next coach will do ... i.e. Risky.

But in all honesty, Milan will reach Moscow as it will reach 4th place. It's a no brainier really.

And Moscow ... As time passes by I think the team is even more motivated to make emends for the lost momentum in the league. Trying to be optimistic wont solve anything It is bound to happen

To be honest, what worries me more than this defeat is the form of Pato.

He was amazing the in debut, but in the last 2 matches he never did a single good pass, drible, or any other move that is worth mentioning.

I dont wanna critisize him since he's so young and have more than a decade in front of him but he didn't show a single good thing in the last 2 matches. I'm more worried about his form reather than about that missed oppurtunity, which also happened exaclty to R99 in his debut or 2nd match for Milan last season - it can happen to anyone, not a big deal!!!

I just hope he becomes more of a S7, coz I fear the O7 a lot!

I gotta make a confession.
I prefer we play like this in the league but win the CL every season until we surpass Real's record ! then focus on the league. because no matter how crappy you are in the league, if you win the CL, you'll still be considered the best; because you have conquered the whole Europe, not just Italy, and that's why Inter suck! it's not possible to be a real contender in both at the same time. especially for Milan with lots of old players and a thin squad.

DP.

Well, I never really expected Milan to be consistent in the league. I knew from the start of the campaign that this is the road Milan will take, and that the team will focus on the CWC and the CL.


But the thing that irritates me is the way Milan played in the 2nd half. I have never seen Milan like this before (if it was a coppa match I'd understand) ... That 2nd half, I really have no words.


About ur confession ... The board want that too. Silvio Berlusconi wants this team to be recognized around the world and europe. Now that it is #1 in the world, the only way to keep that spot is to win in europe. Let's get the 8th, then we'll talk about Real

I'm sure many people would take you up on this bet. You say we WILL reach the European Cup Final AND finish in the top 4? I don't see how you're so confident about that.

Maybe because nobody expected us to finish in top 4 in the league AND win the CL last season...

Compared to last season we are not at any disadvantages imo. especially in attack we have Ronaldo [and Pato]...

Oh it is possible. Of course not with one good XI and crappy substitutes... Milan never were going to win this current title race not because we did not want to but because we couldn't! The management did not want to spend money for whatever reason yet they know that this squad cannot win the scudetto. They were never going to exhaust the team in the title race... CL was all we could win this season and we knew this from day one. It's just sad that they let Milan become a one-competition team.

U don't need to

I'd prefer the Serie A title to the CL one at this moment. I truly miss that italian badge in our shirt.

And I honestly think that no team will ever surpass Real Madrid in CL titles.