So ... ?!

Plus I am part of that 10% arent I

I never said he was cr@p though, all I said was he is too hyped up.

@BigMac ... Inflation doesn't mean literally to inflate per say ... Inflation is part of the economic cycle, it is related with commodities and goods that relate to you in the 1st degree rather than speculated prices of football players.

Talking about players value and how it has increased is one thing, but it has no bearing in the laws and theories of inflation.

Pato cost X much because Chelsea were in the wings waiting for our deal to collapse ... Has nothing to do with inflation. A perfect example would be Juve's whole sale last year.

Thus inflation isn't another word for inflated prices. It is more of a technical term which is regulated by the central bank of each country.

Well, I really know nothing about it so I should probably shut up.. But the only reason I say values have inflated is because there's now more money to go around, I thought that was what it was to do with? Maybe not.

So in football terms - the more money there is, the less it's worth. Since EPL teams have been given 66% more tv money than usual it would mean prices for players, especially involving EPL teams, have inflated? I must have something right.

With a pump!


A club that finishes in the top 4 in La Liga is a top team and there wouldn't be much more pressure on him if he was playing for Barcelona or Madrid!

Cicinho was playing in Brazil before Madrid got him!! And I know you will agree with me on that Madrid hype up their future players...

Cafu is a legend no doubt... but it's not like he won those WC's on his own... he was blessed to always play with the best... Alves has never been given that chance...

Alves will probably not play against us in the final but he sure wouldn't be owned by Kaka and Seedorf! He would even give Clarence a head-start!!

Spanish defenses are not Serie A quality but Alves does not dribble past them... he just runs faster than them and Serie A defenders are not any faster! He would be deadly in Serie A! Maybe you should wonder what Ronaldinho is going to do in Serie A!! He's the one that will have problem and he's the one that lost the battle every time he played against Alves... I remember one certain game when he even had to retreat to the right side! And what hype, Alves is not the one compared to the greatest players in football's history!


Prices have gone up a lot... that's not something you can deny... (unproven) players like Nani were not sold for 20m+ 5 years ago...


That would be the worst example ever!!! Man are you really in the economy business!?? Juventus were in no place to negotiate for any of their players... their players wanted out and the board needed money... they should be thankful for what they got!


As for the CR vs R20 issue, CR was clearly better than R20 last season so there's not that big a difference between them right now... and when CR begins to appear anywhere there will be none... Oh, wait! He's not Brazilian... too bad for him!

No sh1t



Look, for me I don't rate Alves as some of u do ... Is that a problem ?!

I don't know, but I know that Sevilla have a good team (with or without him!)



The value of certain currencies (i.e. money) has gone up, yes .... But inflation is a different issue. I wish I could elaborate more on it, but it would take ages .. Unless u know a thing or two on economics ..

economy business ?! I have a bachelors degree ... I have studied all this a long time ago ..

No it's not a problem... but not anyone is supposed to admire Ronaldinho as much as you do either, right?

Then you didn't really expect Giuve to get more than they did, do you? Look, I don't know what happens in other businesses but in football, when a player wants out and the team is also bound to sell him because they need the money his price goes to the bottom.

Of course not.

I'm just glad I agree dst in something.

The love we share is much bigger than any dispute!!

You can't compare between Cafu at his prime and Alves now, but you can compare them at the same age. Cafu only moved to europe (Roma) at 27 and had his best years when he was close to 30. Alves only 24 now, and already the best at his position. He can improve even further and I have no doubt he will succeed at Italy. And Sevilla in the last two years are a top club (not Milan or Real but still...).

But I told u, I don't expect u to rate R10 ... The whole discussion started from something totally different. And it ended with people questioning me about why I don't rate Alves .. Well, I did say that he has quality, I never denied that .. I also did say that he is the perfect tactical tool. he can play in several positions. But for me to rate him and hype him up the way it has been going on, I would have to actually see him lift a world cup, win the CL, La Liga .. This is where I rate a player. After he has mature, gained experience, knows how to keep his cool on the big stages, etc ... An example here could be Gilardino. In Parma he was too good to be true !!! But in Milan, he is 3rd in the pecking order. So Alves right now is too good to be true for some of u in Sevilla, but in Madrid .. If he succeeds then you will see me praising him.

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Exactly, the Juve example !!! My quote:

Here I was clearing up why inflation has nothing to do with players value! So what if Juve were under pressure to sell for less ?! It just proves the point that inflation has nothing to do with players value.

Players moving from one club to another is as similar as you get a job offer and moved from one firm that u work for to another .. It depends on ur credentials and how good ur CV is .. And as for the player, it depends on his credentials etc ..

In any case, whatever

It's a much different situation with Alves. First of all, Alves has been incredible in Europe too... I don't rate the UEFA Cup much but it IS a challenging competition and it is hard to be able to always play consistently... something Alves has done. Secondly, Parma was built around Gila while Alves is "only" a full-back and he shines among many other great talents!

I get what you're trying to say though about when you consider a player to be great so it's pointless to go on with this...


But you can't the Juventus situation as an example to compare players' prices... it was a special situation and the those prices are not real... if you really believe they were well I don't want to say anything further... but apart from those deals, every single other one shows that the prices HAVE gone up: Pato, Walcott, Nani, Pepe, Gila...

when i say inflation i'm not relating the literal inflation rate of different countries because the football word has it's own economic system in certain respects. all i'm saying is so much money is being thrown around these days so clubs have been asking for even more because of the demand and precedants that are being set every year... i mean 80m for ronaldinho +40m for wages for one player!?!?!? even tho it dont go thru, these sorta figrues are unheard of. so ya 40m is too much if you compare it to cafu in his prime cuz even he wouldnt have gone for nearly that much cuz it was 5-6 years ago, because transfer fees have gone up a lot since. if you think 40m is too much for alves now, thats fine cuz you just think he's overrated.

That is what I meant !!!! The value of the players that were sold from Juve last summer .. had inflation been considered they would have held their value !!

Let us say u have a a real estate company, u were bankrupt ... The bank had to foreclose all your loans .. Then your property was put up for sale. Here because inflation has a direct correlation with the price of real estate, the value remains at whatever figure it is on the market ...

Players value isn't related to inflation. The whole concept isn't logical, as the players aren't commodities or goods ... As in my previous example, players can be associated with employees ..

Sure players value increases depending on the demand. I mean with teams like Madrid and Chelsea prices have soured up !!! But again, this has nothing to do with inflation ! Inflation measures and predicts future prices. Don't mix inflation with inflated ..

p.s. Let's just drop it and keep it simple ... Alves is sh1t

Sure the football world has it's own finances ... And in today's football, with teams like Chelsea and Madrid willing to part with a fortune each summer .. Prices are bound to go up. And as u said, prices are unheard off ... SAF was complaining 2 summers ago about how expensive it is to buy players these days .. Again, Chelsea and Madrid And now that these billionaires are buying their stakes at EPL teams, I wont be surprised if in a couple of years these figures would be the norm

40M to me, is the value of proven players. i.e. Nesta would be considered around that range ...

In any case, who cares !!! I'm just here to enjoy the football

hehe i think we're all here for the same reason