3 or 4 who would start from the bench on Wednesday ... Started in this game; Bonera, Broochi, Gourcuff, Sergio, Simic, and Favali .. Enough dont u think
I'm sorry, but I dont see the point in ur argument any more.

Let's face it, Brocchi is good against Catania and Reggina, but everyone saw what he is capable of against high quality opposition    (I'm talking about how he gifted Man U the winner at OT)

Ok so you mean maybe Cafu and maybe Gila? But the others are all certain starters that cannot be risked.

To tell you the truth it would have been better had we played like this

Cafu--Billy--Bonera--Favalli
-Gourcuff--Brocchi--Sergio-
----------Di Gennaro---------
------Gilardino--Oliveira-----

We would have probably won it, but maybe Calro wanted to give some of the young ones some playing time and didn't want to risk either Cafu or Gila in case of something happening to either Oddo or Pippo.

All possibilities need to be considered before such a big game as is the CL final

Carlo first season with Milan -> UEFA Cup Semi Final (this is after picking the team up off the floor from the hands of that Turkish idiot)
Carlo second season with Milan -> Winners
Carlo third season with Milan -> Quarter final
Caro fourth season with Milan -> Runners up
Carlo fifth season with Milan -> Semi final
Carlo sixth season with Milan -> In the final once again

Now don't tell me this can be compared to Mourinho's record. The fact that we have always gone past the last 16 under Carlo speaks volumes in itself

That was 1 mistake, what about Dida's howler that gave them the 1st goal in that game?

What howler was that?

What howler was that?

Where he let ROnaldo's header hit him, then pushed it into his own net.

How Ronaldo claimed the goal I'll never know. 

His typical blunder on the cross @ OT, giving Man U their 1st goal after 3mins.

He worries me for the final.

The Gerrard head was unsaveable.
Smicer's long-ranger he didn't push properly and it just rolled over his hands and in.
He basically handed Alonso the goal after he saved the penalty, push it away from the goal Dida, not to the on-running player.

P.S. Milanista 1899, since you're from Lincoln, what English team do you support (If any)?

The 1st team I ever supported was Arsenal in '92. Then Milan in '93, there was an over lap but chose Milan over them the next year. I don't really follow the Prem that much anymore. I've been a Lincoln City fan for about 10yrs (League 2) although don't have a season ticket, I enjoy going to the odd local derby. Not exactly a die hard supporter, just more a fan cos I was born here & lived here all my life.

Ah that's cool. Although if Lincoln are the team I'm thinking of it's a good thing you're not a die hard supporter, with all that Play-Off heartbreak.

Yea spot on mate  Had dreams of going to the new Wembley but not to be - again! Went to Cardiff Millenium stadium 4yrs ago to get beat by (local rivals) Scunthorpe 5-2. Good day though & great atmosphere 

That must have been hard to take in.

I'm not sure I'll ever get to see the Villa at the new Wembley, unless we have a great cup run I suppose.

But I get to go in October, got tickets to the NFL London game. 

To some extent, I feel like milanista1899... it's disrespectful to Milan's history to lose at home, even more to lose to Udinese!

But no matter how hard I try, I can't be "romantic" and feel offended by this result for this upcoming final is going to be the most important game I can remember!!

No way, just think 0f this, 3pts and MAYBE (because Lazio can still pip us to third place even if we had won it today) get to 3rd in the table. OR going out to the final with players ALL with fresh legs and a good mental state.

For me it's a no brainer. I guess it's just a difference of oppinion    but I can't understand why you feel so strongly about how our B team performed in a game we didn't need to win

Exactly, it's not like Liverpool have been playing superbly.

Last 2 EPL Games:

Away to Fulham (Who finished 16th) Lost 1-0.
Home to Charlton (Who finished 19th) Drew 2-2 (Last minute penalty)

And they didn't rest all of their stars, half of their first team were playing. There's nothing to worry about!

thats not the point, the point is some of these guy want a starting spot in the future and they played like ****. why the **** should we keep some of these losers? like whats the point? you think a year or two downt he road were just gonna insert them in the starting 11 and they'll magically play well?udinese had nothing to play for so it's not like they had more motivation then our players. whether we win the CL or not we have to clean out this team and get ride of some of the garbage that has a accumulated. anyways only guy that showed up was gourcuff.

Exactly.

We were playing at the San Siro for God's sake. It was Billy last game for us. It was a chance for all these youngsters show Ancelotti and the crew why they should be considered to play for Milan's Serie A team.

@ han: Grimi had an OK game? Maybe you could say that in the first half, but what I saw in the second half told me, exactly, everything I need to know about him as a player. I play for a division 1 team here in the US and I see clowns like him only in the lower divisions. An average player should know better to not go Karate on every ball when he is frustrated. And he is playing for Milan's starting 11 in this match and I'm going absolutely nuts as to WHY?????

Oliveira is I think trying to stay here for next year. The way he is "playing" right now, means we won't get any good enough offers for him not to lose money. So we would have to keep him. And that's pathetic. Either this or he is sh1t.

Storari? He played for us two times and look how many we conceded. A goalkeeper's job is not to only save shots, but to organize the defense as well. Dida and Kalac do that well. Storari has no idea such thing exists.

About oli and storari i agree.  About grimi i dont.  First of all he is an Argentinian player and they play a completely different game than Italians do.  There game is all about fast paced flank and hit and cross.  They don't have any idea of what playing a conservative game means.  Secondly he is 21, not many LB in the world are up to sergio or janku standards at 21.  Udinese is not a sh!tty Italian team that we are insulting. Also  It's his first serie A game so you shouldn't expect him to go in playing the same as everyone else.  Confidence is a major thing, which will develop for him in time.  Milan as a club have the tendency to buy experienced players and we go for the occasional young talent.  Out of all the left backs in the world at his age, he got chosen.  He isn't even Italian, so that means there is something in him that has caught the eye of galliani and co.  Just wait till Paolo and billy teach him how to play in the defense properly, he'll become one of the best.  I predict a great future for him.  Bonera, everyone said was garbage at the beginning of the season, but as time went and he was shown how to defend properly by maldini and co., he has developed into a half decent defender.  So my question is to you, why are you praising gourcuff so much and cutting alot of other players, when all gourcuff has done was pretty much come off the bench and just watch the game.  You may argue he scored 2 goals, well the first was all kaka so if he had missed that would be sad.  The second one was clearly boriello's goal which fell into his grasp.  Just cause he can move like cronaldo doesn't prove anything.  For a first game I'm glad that grimi had the confidence to preform like he did in the first half, and I'm looking forward to more than 1 appearance next year.

Storari? He played for us two times and look how many we conceded. A goalkeeper's job is not to only save shots, but to organize the defense as well. Dida and Kalac do that well. Storari has no idea such thing exists.

About Grimi: AGAIN, the way he handled himslef yesterday on the pitch told me everything I need to know about him as a player. In 2-3 years time, Grimi could be playing anywhere in the Europe, but he won't be playing for Milan. Guranf@ckingteed.

Gourcuff?Are you joking? Except for one or two games, where he was at worst, fair, he has been GREAT! In his first couple games? Absolutely fantastic! I have no idea what you are trying to get at. But I'm sure most people here agree with me that Gourcuff is a great great talent and he did very good when called upon, even though he is young and it's his first season. Do you even remember his first game? That's the way to prove your worth.

Bonera a half-decent defender? He is definitely one of Serie A's best. All he lacks is more European experience.

I'm trying to say that your already defining his ability from one game.  That is wrong give him 2 seasons, if he doesn't cut then let him go.  The word fantastic for me is what Kaka has been doing.  I dont recall gourcuff coming on and all of a sudden the tides change.  Of course he is a great talent, and at 20 he is doing well.  I just dont think your giving grimi enough time.

That was 1 mistake, what about Dida's howler that gave them the 1st goal in that game? how many has he made but he's still the no.1 goalkeeper! And I didn't say I'd play Brocchi against Liverpool just that a lot of people underestimate him 

Mourinho first season with Porto -> last 16
Mourinho second season with Porto -> UEFA Cup winners (Won the treble this year)
Mourinho 3rd season with Porto -> CL winners (Won double + Cup runners up)
Mourinho first season with Chelsea -> Semi final
Mourinho second season with Chelsea -> last 16
Mourinho third season with Chelsea -> semi final

I'd say that's as good as Carlo's. I'm not saying Carlo is bad, since he's clearly one of the top 5 in the world. I just think Mourinho is number 1. Remembering he's done great with POrto, hardly a European force nowadays.

@ han: Grimi had an OK game? Maybe you could say that in the first half, but what I saw in the second half told me, exactly, everything I need to know about him as a player. I play for a division 1 team here in the US and I see clowns like him only in the lower divisions. An average player should know better to not go Karate on every ball when he is frustrated. And he is playing for Milan's starting 11 in this match and I'm going absolutely nuts as to WHY?????

The fact is half of these weren't even reserves, they were youth players.

We should have accepted defeat before it kicked off, Udinese are a very good side.

If you're expecting for your youth/reserves team to be able to cope fully with a decent side, you have to be kidding yourself.

Just look at the Catania side that drew last week?

I'd say a draw at Catania is almost as bad, if not as bad as, losing at home to Udinese, especially considering the line-ups we had.

If our best team can't beat Catania, our reserve/youth team shouldn't come close to Udinese.

U r comparing Milan to a middle table team 

this upcoming final is going to be the most important game I can remember!!

Exactly.

We were playing at the San Siro for God's sake. It was Billy last game for us. It was a chance for all these youngsters show Ancelotti and the crew why they should be considered to play for Milan's Serie A team.

@ han: Grimi had an OK game? Maybe you could say that in the first half, but what I saw in the second half told me, exactly, everything I need to know about him as a player. I play for a division 1 team here in the US and I see clowns like him only in the lower divisions. An average player should know better to not go Karate on every ball when he is frustrated. And he is playing for Milan's starting 11 in this match and I'm going absolutely nuts as to WHY?????

Oliveira is I think trying to stay here for next year. The way he is "playing" right now, means we won't get any good enough offers for him not to lose money. So we would have to keep him. And that's pathetic. Either this or he is sh1t.

Storari? He played for us two times and look how many we conceded. A goalkeeper's job is not to only save shots, but to organize the defense as well. Dida and Kalac do that well. Storari has no idea such thing exists.

About oli and storari i agree.  About grimi i dont.  First of all he is an Argentinian player and they play a completely different game than Italians do.  There game is all about fast paced flank and hit and cross.  They don't have any idea of what playing a conservative game means.  Secondly he is 21, not many LB in the world are up to sergio or janku standards at 21.  Udinese is not a sh!tty Italian team that we are insulting. Also  It's his first serie A game so you shouldn't expect him to go in playing the same as everyone else.  Confidence is a major thing, which will develop for him in time.  Milan as a club have the tendency to buy experienced players and we go for the occasional young talent.  Out of all the left backs in the world at his age, he got chosen.  He isn't even Italian, so that means there is something in him that has caught the eye of galliani and co.  Just wait till Paolo and billy teach him how to play in the defense properly, he'll become one of the best.  I predict a great future for him.  Bonera, everyone said was garbage at the beginning of the season, but as time went and he was shown how to defend properly by maldini and co., he has developed into a half decent defender.  So my question is to you, why are you praising gourcuff so much and cutting alot of other players, when all gourcuff has done was pretty much come off the bench and just watch the game.  You may argue he scored 2 goals, well the first was all kaka so if he had missed that would be sad.  The second one was clearly boriello's goal which fell into his grasp.  Just cause he can move like cronaldo doesn't prove anything.  For a first game I'm glad that grimi had the confidence to preform like he did in the first half, and I'm looking forward to more than 1 appearance next year.

I'm trying to say that your already defining his ability from one game.  That is wrong give him 2 seasons, if he doesn't cut then let him go.  The word fantastic for me is what Kaka has been doing.  I dont recall gourcuff coming on and all of a sudden the tides change.  Of course he is a great talent, and at 20 he is doing well.  I just dont think your giving grimi enough time.

We have no one better then Dida, but in Brocchi's cae we have 2 players that are clearly better than him, that's why I wouldn't risk any of the other 2 in case one of them got injured and we are stuck with Brocchi playing in the Final.

Brocchi is good, against Catania and Udinese, but not good enough to be in a CL semi or final. Dida's situation can't be compared since there is no one that could take his place if he makes mistakes he's always assured of his starting spot.
To me Carlo's EUROPEAN record is better imo. In fact no other coaches record is as good as Carlo's in the last five years. Making it far in the EUFA cup and making it far in the CL are 2 completely different things
As I previously pointed out, he had a good game in the first half, even one of the commentators kept praising him for how he was playing during the first half.

But then he made that mistake where he gave the ball away in a dangerous area and his head went down and he kept making mistakes from then on. You should cut the kid some slack, it's not like he's a seasoned pro. He just let things get to him.

People on here keep yelling about wanting youngsters and bla bla bla, but then when one is brought in and makes mistakes because he is inexperianced and new to the high level of play in such a league they want him out because he is complete garbage 

The fact is half of these weren't even reserves, they were youth players.

We should have accepted defeat before it kicked off, Udinese are a very good side.

If you're expecting for your youth/reserves team to be able to cope fully with a decent side, you have to be kidding yourself.

Just look at the Catania side that drew last week?

I'd say a draw at Catania is almost as bad, if not as bad as, losing at home to Udinese, especially considering the line-ups we had.

If our best team can't beat Catania, our reserve/youth team shouldn't come close to Udinese.

U r comparing Milan to a middle table team 

If Milan dont make it to 1st or 2nd place, then it doesnt matter if they come in 3rd or 4th !!

Because Milan would already have their sights on the CL (Exactly like in 03) .. Comparing Catania to our first team, there is no comparison. But when u look at how our team dissmanteled the champions of ENgland for 90 full minutes. You would think that it is only logical that the team would be burned out, unlike a fresh Catania Who, on any good day, Milan would b1tch slap home and away
p.s. The problem here is that Milan reached it's onjective (4th place) and secured it, so once secured, nothing else matters. They could go on loosing even the game against Reggina. I wouldnt be surprised if Carlo told the team to take their vacation after the CL final and gave the reserves anotehr go at first team football against Reggina. Why ? Because Milan will still be in 4th place even if they lose.

But if we were in contention for 1st place; please take a look at the closing games of last season and the ones before   You'll see Milan on 2 fronts the CL and Serie A. NO TEAM CAN DO THAT CONSISTENTLY

Again, WRONG. I can remember two games where Gourcuff came on and made a huge difference. And again 2 goals + 5 assists while playing very rarely tells me that you probably haven't watch all Milan games this season. I have and I can say with confidence that Gourcuff was great for us this season even though he didn't get enough chances.

But if we were in contention for 1st place; please take a look at the closing games of last season and the ones before   You'll see Milan on 2 fronts the CL and Serie A. NO TEAM CAN DO THAT CONSISTENTLY

We already have Oddo, Cafu, Janku, Sergio, even Favalli & Paolo have been known to do that!

He sounds like Coloccini and we know what happened to/with him! 

I don't expect him to be up to Sergio or Janku's standard, that's why I don't get why he played. 

We can't wait for him to learn off Paolo & Billy, we don't have that long!

Meanwhile he's wasting his career when he could be playing elsewhere. 

You can't seriously be comparing Grimi to Bonera?   

In that case, nothing personal but I hope you'll be disappointed 

I missed only the first two games of the season, that was due to my cable provider lacking brains.  I've seen every other match but i have to say that the hype that was given to gourcuff was alot higher than it should have been.  People were comparing him to zizou and some were even comparing him to messi.  I'm not saying he isn't good, he is terrific but not as high as some his age such as messi fabregas or rooney.

Bonera is 25-26.  Grimi is 21-22.  That is 4 years difference.  I just can't believe that you expect him to come from an entire different league and automatically adjust like everyone else within one season and only playing one Italian "SERIE A" game.  The other game was against a maltanese team, which no offense to han cannot be compared with udinese.  He did great in the first half and at least deserves another season from my point of view.  Some confidence and a little bit of help from the greats and he will develop.  It was billy's last game i know it must be difficult for you guys to have to accept defeat, but in no way is carlo gonna contemplate CL final and retirement in the same sentence.  Billy's last game in the san siro was great and he scored a penalty.  I dont look at this game when i think of billy.  I hope you guys also forget it too.  Even though we lost, i'm fine with it.  Onto CL.

That's one of the many reasons why you can't compare them! 

Good! don't believe that because that is so NOT what I expect! Why doesn't anyone take any notice of what I say? You all seem to get me wrong & misunderstand me, it's so frustrating at times!

Yes he came from Argentina - Racing - and like Porty said his own fans were glad to see the back of him, so why do you expect him to be any good here? after 1, 2 seasons - it makes no difference!

Joey Barton is undoubtedly Man City's best player, their only player. Everybody at the club, fans included, will be happy to see him leave.

Barton is fast becoming the EPL's version of Pacman Jones.

I missed only the first two games of the season, that was due to my cable provider lacking brains.  I've seen every other match but i have to say that the hype that was given to gourcuff was alot higher than it should have been.  People were comparing him to zizou and some were even comparing him to messi.  I'm not saying he isn't good, he is terrific but not as high as some his age such as messi fabregas or rooney.

I'm glad you have watched most of the games.

Gourcuff is not Zidane neither is he Messi. He is Gourcuff. He is one of those unique players that will become special. Either here in Milan or somewhere else. The only thing that worries me is the fact that he will have a very very tough time finding space in this team and a player his age needs to play more to develop.

Just because the fans don't like him it doesn't mean he's a bad player.

Joey Barton is undoubtedly Man City's best player, their only player.

Everybody at the club, fans included, will be happy to see him leave.

Just because the fans don't like him it doesn't mean he's a bad player.

Joey Barton is undoubtedly Man City's best player, their only player.

Everybody at the club, fans included, will be happy to see him leave.