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Jack Sparrow
So Bochum also means Scheisse? I mean for the sake of transitivity??

If Bochum=Bayern and Bayern=Scheisse
=> Bochum=Scheisse

Forza Stuttgart!!
Jack Sparrow
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Wow!! You're using emoticons!!! ohmy.gif


laugh.gif Yup..she's a big girl now....
dst
How one says "Drunken Sailor" in German? rolleyes.gif
Jack Sparrow
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Oh I know that one...Herr Jack Sparrow cool.gif

I'am Ze BOOOMMMBBBBB!!!
dst
"His dinner he does vomit out
Foul obsceneties he shouts
Now he's foaming at the mouth
He'll bite you like a rabid dog
He shits himself like he's a hog
He's pissing in the face of God
Aliye in the morning
What shall we do with the drunken sailor
Put him in the long boat until he's sober"
Jack Sparrow
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Darn you've been stalking me...but I never pissed on Paolo...I swear..
dst
I know. You would be dead by now!! You know... he might have never been shown a red card but that doesn't mean he can't tackle from behind using both his feet!! wink.gif
LaPalma
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jun 20 2007, 07:27 PM)
So Bochum also means Scheisse? I mean for the sake of transitivity??

If Bochum=Bayern and Bayern=Scheisse
=> Bochum=Scheisse

Forza Stuttgart!!
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No...because Teenie is wrong and Bayern doesn't mean scheisse...

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How one says "Drunken Sailor" in German? rolleyes.gif

That means dst tongue.gif or "Besoffener Seemann" but we don't really use that term...we prefer simply "Saufen"
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (LaPalma @ Jun 20 2007, 10:09 PM)
No...because Teenie is wrong and Bayern doesn't mean scheisse...
That means dst tongue.gif or "Besoffener Seemann" but we don't really use that term...we prefer simply "Saufen"
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Jack Sparrow
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laugh.gif tongue.gif I just made the connection now. Darn boy, u got a dirty mind. tongue.gif
dst
We should get Papastathopoulos from AEK (the team we played against last season in the CL group stages)!! He's a CB and every time I see him play I'm amazed! He has great confidence, superb defensive skills and he looks like he's got 10 years of experience on his back while he's only 20! He's undoubtedly the greatest talent I've seen since Nesta...
Nova
QUOTE (dst @ Oct 30 2007, 12:51 AM)
We should get Papastathopoulos from AEK (the team we played against last season in the CL group stages)!! He's a CB and every time I see him play I'm amazed! He has great confidence, superb defensive skills and he looks like he's got 10 years of experience on his back while he's only 20! He's undoubtedly the greatest talent I've seen since Nesta...
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Are you playing with my ding-dong ?? huh.gif

Milan would never give me that joy of having a greek player with us mad.gif
dst
Oh and he is also the captain of the Greek U21 team that reached the European final last summer!
Nova
I'm afraid the only thing Milan and Greece have in common is Athina.
LaPalma
Here's another one:




Toni Kroos
Age:17
Position: Offensive/central midfield
Team: Bayern Munich

The media here is going totally crazy about him. "Experts" are even saying he's a bigger talent than Kaiser Franz was. I dunno but he was already crowned best player of the last U17 WC, in front of Barcas Krikic. He also rescued Bayern in their first Uefa Cup group game against red star. He came when Red Star was leading 2:1. Then he assisted Klose for the equalizer and scored the winner with a free-kick.
Anyone heard of him?
dst
I think I've heard of him.

But this crowning thing should stop! They are putting too much pressure on the young players... it's just not right!
LaPalma
QUOTE (dst @ Nov 5 2007, 04:39 PM)
I think I've heard of him.

But this crowning thing should stop! They are putting too much pressure on the young players... it's just not right!
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I think you don't want to hear this but you're with Bayen manager Uli Hoeneß on this. After Bayerns match against Red Star he dimished the "Kroos show" with comments like "Kroos? Matchwinner?" or "That freekick? We would have scored that too wouldn't we" (to a journalist). Well...sometimes that stupid idiot can be funny too.
But I totally agree with here. Players like Krikic, Kroos or Dos Santos aren't even 18, yet everyone talks about them as if they'll be the new Beckenbauers, Maradonnas or whatever.
KillerMax
Krikic... Someone kidnap that kid and bring him to San Siro.
Zed.D
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Nov 6 2007, 03:18 AM)
Krikic... Someone kidnap that kid and bring him to San Siro.
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Agha in Krkic khodast!
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At just 17, he's doing just incredible. Dos Santos will be faded under his shadow, this I'm sure of! and do I dare to say he's going to be at least as good as Messi? I do!
KillerMax
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Nov 7 2007, 04:31 PM)
At just 17, he's doing just incredible. Dos Santos will be faded under his shadow, this I'm sure of! and do I dare to say he's going to be at least as good as Messi? I do!
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Exactly what I think as well.

But I wouldn't compare him to Messi. You can easily compare Messi to Maradona, but Krikic is a class of his own. He is very very unique.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Nov 8 2007, 02:59 AM)
Exactly what I think as well.

But I wouldn't compare him to Messi. You can easily compare Messi to Maradona, but Krikic is a class of his own. He is very very unique.
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At first glance, yes ... But when u think about it. Messi has a long way to go to be compared to Maradona. Sure he scored a 'similar' goal to the one Diego scored, and the journalists and commentators would love nothing more than comparing them. But I have heard it all to much before, many before Messi were compared to Maradona, and showed promise, but soon after they were nothing compared to Maradona.

At first glance yeah I would agree with you, but look at it this way, Maradona played for Napoli in comparision to Messi who plays for Barcalona .. Maradona took Napoli from their struggling roots and crowned them champions of Serie A. While Messi blossomed in a team that already has champions in every department and a team that could win the CL and La Liga without him ... What I'm trying to say is, take Messi out of Barcalona and put him in Napoli today, I don't think he has what it takes to live up to such a hype .. He might turn out to be even greater than Diego, but that would have to be proven first.
Tennie
Hrm. It'll be interesting to see what Lavezzi does at Napoli. He's started off brightly enough and I've enjoyed watching him so far. It's really unfortunate (or is it, if they deserve it?) that the Napoli fans keep getting banned from away games. Still, teh team is doing a lot better than anyone expected.
Rossoneri7
El Pocho !!! Yeah, he has been doing some good things ... I keep reading reviews about him in our local Italian sports editorials .. As I understand it, he is propelling Napoli into greater heights this season.
Zed.D
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Nov 8 2007, 03:29 AM)
Exactly what I think as well.

But I wouldn't compare him to Messi. You can easily compare Messi to Maradona, but Krikic is a class of his own. He is very very unique.
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Krkic's style of play and physique is very similar to that of Messi [they're both about 1.70cm in height - though Krkic's 17yo and can still grow a few centimeters until he's 20] and in my opinion, Krkic's technique is [or will be someday] better than Messi's.

I don't like Barca at all, but I admit their youth academy is admirable. Puyol, Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Krkic, Dos Santos, ... .
KillerMax
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Nov 8 2007, 07:54 AM)
I don't like Barca at all, but I admit their youth academy is admirable. Puyol, Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Krkic, Dos Santos, ... .
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Hey! We have Digao and Aubmayshotorgavpalang...
Tennie
We also have Darmian. This kid is good.
Zed.D
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Nov 8 2007, 06:01 PM)
Hey! We have Digao and Aubmayshotorgavpalang...
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Rossoneri7
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Nov 8 2007, 05:31 PM)
Hey! We have Digao and Aubmayshotorgavpalang...
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Considering the status of this club, it never surprises me that we never get any quality from the primavera .. Well maybe a Maldini every two decades, sure .. But not as frequent as clubs like Ajax.

With that said, Adriano Galliani had stated that Milan will look to propel their young prospects, so that they can be in line with UEFA's new rules which state at least 2 or 3 players who come from the clubs youth ranks have to be registered for european competitions (CL).
Zed.D
QUOTE (Tennie @ Nov 8 2007, 06:06 PM)
We also have Darmian. This kid is good.
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When he shined in some tough and serious matches with Milan's first team, I would start considering him a good player. rolleyes.gif I mean, if there's one thing Milan is clearly not good at, it's our youth system. I have no idea what they're doing over there with all those kids, but they're not introducing Krkics and Messis and Iniestas and etc to us. I mean who was the last great player that advanced all the way from Milan youth system to become a first team regular?!...
Tennie
That would be Maldini. And Darmian is 17, so give him a couple of months at least before you discount him. smile.gif He's had a game in Serie A (last season against Udinese; I was in the stands for that game) in which he was very good -- he got a 6 rating from Gazzetta, which was fully merited.

In general are the Primavera disappointing? Yep, we're no Ajax or Sporting. But don't discount them entirely.
Zed.D
I mean how many million euros Barca benefit from having a good youth system every year? it's something Milan should take more seriously. it's very lucrative.
Tennie
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Nov 8 2007, 11:11 AM)
I mean how many million euros Barca benefit from having a good youth system every year? it's something Milan should take more seriously. it's very lucrative.
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Lucrative? Making euros?

Gee. I thought football was about sport and competition.
Zed.D
QUOTE (Tennie @ Nov 8 2007, 06:41 PM)
That would be Maldini. And Darmian is 17, so give him a couple of months at least before you discount him. smile.gif He's had a game in Serie A (last season against Udinese; I was in the stands for that game) in which he was very good -- he got a 6 rating from Gazzetta, which was fully merited.

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I hope so...

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In general are the Primavera disappointing? Yep, we're no Ajax or Sporting. But don't discount them entirely.


Barca too! I don't know since when they have started to invest in youth system, but they're doing pretty good in recent years.
Zed.D
QUOTE (Tennie @ Nov 8 2007, 06:48 PM)
Lucrative? Making euros?

Gee. I thought football was about sport and competition.
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biggrin.gif I'm sorry! I meant except for having talents like Messi and etc.

And tbh, today's football is very much about $$.
LaPalma
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Nov 8 2007, 04:11 PM)
I mean how many million euros Barca benefit from having a good youth system every year? it's something Milan should take more seriously. it's very lucrative.
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Well....Real Madrids youth system isn't bad either...people forget that when talking about Barca.
Guti, Raul, Soldado, Casillas, Miguel Torres...
People around here are a bit too enthusiastic about Barcas young players....especially Krikic. Till now that kid has done nothing special IMO. I personally think Toni Kroos is more talented than Krikic...OK, I'm german so I'm biased but that kid won Bayern a UEFA Cup game in 20 minutes....and that in Belgrad where even experienced players are frightened by the atmosphere. Plus Kroos outshined Krikic by far at the U17 WC this year.
Zed.D
QUOTE (LaPalma @ Nov 8 2007, 06:56 PM)
Well....Real Madrids youth system isn't bad either...people forget that when talking about Barca.
Guti, Raul, Soldado, Casillas, Miguel Torres...
People around here are a bit too enthusiastic about Barcas young players....especially Krikic. Till now that kid has done nothing special IMO. I personally think Toni Kroos is more talented than Krikic...OK, I'm german so I'm biased but that kid won Bayern a UEFA Cup game in 20 minutes....and that in Belgrad where even experienced players are frightened by the atmosphere. Plus Kroos outshined Krikic by far at the U17 WC this year.
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Real Madrid's is good too.

I haven't heard of Kroos nor have I seen him play, so no comment on him. as for Bojan, from what I've seen from him on the field, I can say he's going to be big. I don't know how many years will it take until the day he's regarded a new Messi, but he's got something special as you can clearly see it in his play.
Tennie
I agree with La Palma. Too much stress is being put on the Spanish youth programs because Barca and Madrid are glamor teams.

I've seen Kroos play and he IS very talented.

That said, the best youth systems are still those of Ajax and Sporting. Nobody else comes close.
LaPalma
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Nov 8 2007, 04:45 PM)
Real Madrid's is good too.

I haven't heard of Kroos nor have I seen him play, so no comment on him. as for Bojan, from what I've seen from him on the field, I can say he's going to be big. I don't know how many years will it take until the day he's regarded a new Messi, but he's got something special as you can clearly see it in his play.
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Found this video on YouTube of him. The quality is not too good but it should still give u an impression...
LaPalma
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Nov 8 2007, 04:45 PM)
Real Madrid's is good too.

I haven't heard of Kroos nor have I seen him play, so no comment on him. as for Bojan, from what I've seen from him on the field, I can say he's going to be big. I don't know how many years will it take until the day he's regarded a new Messi, but he's got something special as you can clearly see it in his play.
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Found this video on YouTube of him. The quality is not too good but it should still give u an impression...
Zed.D
QUOTE (LaPalma @ Nov 8 2007, 07:30 PM)
Found this video on YouTube of him. The quality is not too good but it should still give u an impression...
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Thanks. smile.gif
dst
Heerenveen have one of the greatest youth academies too!
Zed.D
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Never heard of them!
dst
Dutch football team with little hearts on their jerseys... you should never forget that one again! tongue.gif

Young lads are usually "stolen" from them and it's a shame cause they are not even credited for their work!
KillerMax
QUOTE (dst @ Nov 8 2007, 10:36 AM)
Dutch football team with little hearts on their jerseys... you should never forget that one again! tongue.gif

Young lads are usually "stolen" from them and it's a shame cause they are not even credited for their work!
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Other than Huntelaar, I don't know anyone else. Throw out some names.
dst
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Nov 8 2007, 06:55 PM)
Other than Huntelaar, I don't know anyone else. Throw out some names.
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I can't recall any names (it's been a while since I read an article laying it all on...) but many players are their "products" yet not associated with them due to the fact that they are snatched at a young age...

Here is an article I just found out.
Zed.D
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RvN?
KillerMax
The reason, says Roxburgh, is simple: “In Holland, they don’t just make the kids do training drills. They’re given time to practice on their own so they can develop individual skills. The preparation that goes into youth development in Holland is very detailed.”

I really like that part. Here in the States, there are so many individual talents, maybe more than some of the big European countries, but no one really has a clue on how to develop them. They do a lot of unnecessary physical work, but individual work is non-existent.

Good read. Thanks.
dst
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Nov 8 2007, 07:45 PM)
^^^
RvN?
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This is what's written on Wiki:

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Van Nistelrooy started off as a central defender and was then moved to central midfield for Dutch second division side, FC Den Bosch, but was converted into a centre forward at SC Heerenveen in 1997.


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Central defender!! ha-ha-ha!!!! laugh.gif laugh.gif
Zed.D
QUOTE (dst @ Nov 8 2007, 09:22 PM)
This is what's written on Wiki:
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Central defender!! ha-ha-ha!!!! laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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biggrin.gif Edwin Van Der Sar also started as an attacker if I'm not wrong!
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Tennie @ Nov 8 2007, 03:55 PM)
I agree with La Palma. Too much stress is being put on the Spanish youth programs because Barca and Madrid are glamor teams.
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I think the team a young kid plays for distorts a persons opinion on him. It doesn't matter how good a young kid is nowadays, if he doesn't play for a top team, he's obviously no good. rolleyes.gif
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