Real Madrid defender Sergio Ramos has rejected a move to Milan, according to the Italian Press.

The 20-year-old stopper, who joined Los Meringues from Sevilla last year, is happy to stay in La Liga and is negotiating an improved contract with President Roman Calderon.

The Rossoneri will have to look elsewhere now. While the signing Massimo Oddo remains as complicated as ever, Vice-President Adriano Galliani is tempted by Juliano Belletti.

The Brazilian full-back would be happy to move to San Siro and Barcelona would be keen to sell him for about £3m. Milan may then offer him a three-year deal.

Belletti would then be an easy option considering the problems in all the other negotiations.

Even Argentinean left-back Leandro Grimi, who was supposed to join Milan during the transfer window, is having troubles with his passport and may only be available from June.


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when did we ever make him an offer??

oh and what's happening with Grimi

why??
please Ramos give us another chance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Nah. Couldn't care less..


And what's this bull with Grimi... can't Milan even do that kind of signings good anymore!?

Ramos is a Real Madrid fan as far I know. He is probably the future of their defence and maybe captain. Can play as RB and CB - world class defender. And Real is going to sell him? For god sake...


That happens when you have some amateurs as directors.

he's very good and solid, i like him at Milan. but Real will not sell him at any price.

Good cause I don't want him here.

And what is up with Grimi?? I don't think they would have bought him if he didn't have an EU passport. I think it's just the media putting out BS so they will make the story more interesting

I don't know how I will sleep at night knowing that Ramos doesn't want to join Milan

didn't we have interest in him some years back?

Not that I can recall

Besides he is not such a good defender imo. Especially not good enough for Serie A

well if i'm not mistaken grimi is a left back/left wing back so he's cover for serginho and i'm guess janku might find himself on the becnh. Now we're getting cover for cafu who's probably done after tihs season. so we're browsing and looking for options. I highly doubt real would let us take one of their key players like ramos. that would be like real trying to take nesta from us. but ya i want oddo.

I think he has a bright future .. He played very good for the Spanish in the WC. If you are getting a defender from Argentina (Grimi), one that you practically know nothing about .. Why would you say no to a potential talent, like Ramos ?

Cause Ramos' probably going to cost 10x more than Grimi.

Actually more. Grimi is 2M euros, and Ramos costed 20-25M for Real Madrid (from Seville). His value at the moment, I'd say it's somewhere between 25-35M as he is the future of their defence.

What this one said


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No, he's not a good defender at all! Most of the goals conceded by Spain came from the space he left behind him, he may be a good defender in La Liga but never in Serie A!
Anyway, may be in 4-5 years he'll be good enough

So you wouldn't mind a complete unknown on your part, an 18 yr old Argentinian, but you would mind one of Madrid's rising stars ?! I didnt say he was excellent, I said Very Good . And that is how he is playing .. Well compare him to Bonera and you'll get an answer

I never said a thing about that Grimi, I don't even know him

what's wrong with Bonera!!? The guys is a CB and he played very good in that position against Catania... he even saved our asses when he cleared the ball off the line...

IMO he's a very good CB... worth being in Milan!!

in the RM forum they say, that we wanted him some years back...

Both as a cb and rb, Ramos is better than him.

You don't have to agree with me, as you don't have to disagree with me .. Cuz it's not the case ..


My point here, isn't who is better than who, it's why say no to Ramos when we have an ageing defence and when nobody is saying anything about Grimi coming. In anycase, wether the news in true or not, Milan are in need of replacments .. And Ramos is promising, he is a first team player in Madrid. What more can I say ?

why are you doing this to me!!? why won't you let me have some fun??

Alright.. for dst's edification,I'm gonna humour him. Bonera doesn't hold a candle to Ramos. He's a disgrace to Italian defenders everywhere.

Kaladze= (1000000000+Silvio's whole fortune) xtimes Bonera

And Ramos could outdefend Bonera even if Ramos was hopping on one leg throughout the match.


Bring it on, now you fat Greek zebra f@cking penguin.

Happy??!!! The things I do for a friend

See, the 2 situations can't be compared, Grimi was supposedly bought for 2 million Euros, and he will probably only make a few appearences to see how he integrates with the team and all that.

If we buy Ramos it surely won't be for 2 mil He will be an instant starter in our team for the kind of money Real would force us to spend on him. Plus the fact that I don't think is good enough would add to the theory of why the 2 situations can't be compared



Listen to this man if anyone knows defenders it's this one

@Jack,

Yeah right and Pirlo is the best goalkeeper ever!!

Kaladze=(1000000000+Silvio's whole fortune) xtimes Bonera's right ball!! He is a BIG FAT ball!!

Ramos hopping on one leg?? Well I thought that's what he does now... his left one is useless!!


thanks...


IMO Ramos is a good player and he looks like he has a future. But I think we should still go for Gallas. He will come for less money than Ramos would (for sure) he's of course better right now and still got 4 years of super world class football before him!!

So... I'd buy Belletti now (Oddo wouldn't want to be benched) and then in the summer for the French!!

stop thinking/discussing about him.
madrid will never make business with us, when we don't give them first option for kaka/sell him to real

Still, all $$ talk aside, how would you give a complete unknown a chance to play in Milan's first XI (even for a few mins) ... then when a player that carries not only potential, but has experienced big matchs comes into the picture .. Many come out and say not him ..

The idea as a whole .. It just doesn't make sense .. Cuz, believe it or not, Milan's defence isn't getting any better .. And we need as much help as we can get.

p.s. .. In all honesty I'm hoping for one of these three' Barzagli, Mexes, or Chivu .. And Oddo as our right back. But whoever it turns out to be, I'm sure the club knows what's best.

Because Grimi would probably get a few mins each game when we are winning to see how he does, Ramos would instantly get into the first 11 for the money we spend for him. And as I said somewhere else I don't think he's good enough for serie A.

In the end it all falls back on the money we spend on them, if Grimi doesn't do well we can always loan him out it's 2 million Euros that have been spent on him not 30. If Ramos doesn't do well I wouldn't expect him to be loaned or soled for a lesser sum to the one we bought him.

Anyway, I think this is all fruitless since we won't be doing any deals with Real any time soon, the only deal I could see happening is Cassano's since Real want to get rid of him

You got a good point there. Maybe that transfer would calm down the things between the 2 clubs.

He may be unknown to us, but what makes you think he's unknown to a club like Milan? You think Braida found Kakà on YouTube? Did you even know about Gourcuff when we signed him? When it comes to youngsters, Milan is one of the most clubs to be trusted. I'm pretty sure the board knows what they're doing with Grimi.

since we're talking about Grimi have you heard anything about the passport situation?

Nope, I've been checking most of the italian football sites but still no news. I think we'll have to wait until January 2nd to know how this story's gonna end.

Ofcourse he found him on Youtube. His wife probably thought he was goodlookin and told braida to buy him . You have a very good point though, Milan only pick defenders who they believe will excel in the serie a. I personally think Ramos will fail here as Sheva has failed at chelsea. Ramos was raised on a certain defending style and it is quite difficult to tell him that you've been doing it wrong for the last 16 years of your life.

Why is everyone finding it difficult to understand what I'm trying to say ??!!!!!

I wasn't talking about the scouts, the board, the finances, the accountants, or anyone ...

I was talking about 'certain ppl' on the forum who wouldnt mind Grimi coming (someone they know nothing about) .. But would mind Sergio Ramos, bcz he is well known and they dont like how he plays.

what do you mean R7!!?


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He means u zebra....ur just worried with Ramos around Milan will kick Juve butt.

ha-ha!! we'll get Luisao...

It all goes back to the difference in money spent on them, and the fact that Grimi won't get much playing time so I won't mind him and Ramos will be an instant starter. ie no time for adapting, and since Serie A is different to la liga there will be mistakes from his part in the center of our defence.

ARRRGHHH I give up !!!
You guys r too much .. Seems as though 1+1=11 in ur books.

I don't want to insult ur intelligence and repeat my post again .. one day u'll figure it out.

@han ..

We have been waiting for reinforcments for so long now. Now that the window is about to open; I wouldn't mind Baresi putting his shorts back on and lending us a hand .. Cuz that's how bad our defence is, but some have forgotten we need all the help we can get.

If Ramos was that bad .. Capello would have gotten rid of him, like yesterdays newspaper.

I'm not defending Ramos, nor am I defending Milan's transfer strategies .. I am talking logically about two football players (disregard his price please, cuz it has no relevance to the theory) who are linked to Milan .. One is a complete unkown to us and the other we have all seen play on the highest competitions in europe and the world.
While we arent the ones who decide who is coming and who isn't; we sit here piss and moan about what we are about to get, if we get such players ! My point is, why would u give a complete unknown a chance, but a first team player both for Madrid and the Spanish national team has no chance .

so what are you trying to say!?...


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dooon't push it..

R7 I get you. But I'm guessing what the people are saying is that Ramos if he flops could really derail stuff, while the same cannot be said of Grimi.

Secondly if Ramos is a success and plays at the level of Madrid, it's not something to swoon over, coz we all seen what he can do and it's not like he's number 1 in the world. However anything good from Grimi would be a HUGE bonus, since expectations are low. And I guess underneath..where our ego resides, we'd rather get an unknown and make him huge than think we had to use somebody from Madrid to lift us out of the abyss.

So how was Christmas?

Well, over here it aint the same .. But overall, it was alright ..

Yeah .. I guess since many have disagreed w/ me then there is either something wrong w/ me or w/ my dialog ..


In anycase .. When's new year where u r ?? how long till '07 Capin

2 hours more and I'm in 2007

5 hours 'till 2007 here.

4 hours left...

You mean 1+1 doesn't add up to 11??

Ok I think I FULLY understand what you're saying now, and I don't think I ever said I wopuldn't give Ramos a chance. Because if he does come (which is something that DEFINATELY WON'T happen) I wouldn't say I can't believe we went for him and I don't want him to play for Milan. Far from it. I just don't think he's that much of a good defender and think it would be useless to spend the ammount of money on him Real would be asking for (I mentioned the money not to ompare the 2 situations, so don't jump on me for mentioning the money )

But let's just not get Grimi into this, he's an unknown, Ramos is somewhat of a big name player, isn't this what we wanted?? To get young talented players for the future?



Great post Jack

I'm gonna add on to Capn' Jack. If we get Ramos i garuntee you it will be the same situation as sheva to chelsea. The board will put alot of pressure on Ramos and he will have to preform or be benched. Players take time to get used to the city forget the club. He might be late to practise and lets not forget he cant speak italian very well. Asking him to come here and save us will do no good. Grimi on the other hand; the board will not put as much pressure and will slowly just expect him to gradually make his way into the f11. Thirdly, Signing Ramos and shoving him into the f11 will be an insult to our other defenders. They'll think what is the point of trying when all our team does is just find an amazing defender and bring him here. They'll b*tch and moan till they get transferred. I say right now the happiest man in milan is kalac. After pretty much having no chance of playing at all, he gets to have a few matches which are considered important. I dont think we will buy a goalkeeper in January since it will be pretty much saying to kalac, nice job but you know your just not good enough so cya later. Last thing if Ramos is bought for lets just say 35m. He'll develop and ego and have the set of mind thinking that he'll be f11 and will be the new paolo. If anyone deserves paolo's place its either gattuso or nesta as captain, with kaka being a candidate later on. my 2cents feel free to comment. sorry for the grammer and have a happy and delightful new year.

Seedorf for Captain. May the Dutch legacy live forever. Oh my god if Seedorf retires we don't have a Dutchman left anymore. SACRILEGE!!!!

I'm not so worried about Kalac, coz most people seem to think he's second choice, when IN FACT he's third choice. Abbiati is our second choice keeper and right now he's on loan to Torino. So if Dida does retire, Abbiati is not too much of a catastrophe to keep as first choice, for a season while we occupy ourselves with more serious matters like buying ourselves a defence and a midfield. One saves matches and the other wins it.

I think the whole goalkeeper problem is overrated (just a little bit though...I want Gigi too)

I think Clarence has a dew more years left in him, and even though I like the idea of him being captain, Rino is definately Paolo's successor, and I think he showed his value to us when he returned from injury and the whole team was lifted up just by his presence