Advanced role? U mean alongside Kaka??

Not sure about that...Unless u mean like in the Azzuri, with Perrota and Rino alongside him.

But trouble is unless he's back to full fitness and form, it's not gonna me of much help

I think that if we want to free up Pirlo more we should try something like this, especially if R10 comes in the near future, or if he doesn't I think Gourcuff could play in a more wider role

------Gila/Pippo/Oli-------
Ronnie-----------------Kaka
-------Pirlo/Seedorf-------
--------Ambro--Rino--------

With this formation Pirlo would have 2 holding mids behind him so he would be freed up from all defensive duties, but still wouldn't be that far up the pitch, Kaka and R10 would play more widely there for they can supply more crosses to our striker.

And this would allow us more room for Rotation, Rino and Ambro could alternate since we also have Brocchi for that position, Seedorf and Pirlo could also be rotated, if Pirlo is tired, Seedorf can always take that place.
And if either kaka or R10/Gourcuff get too tired we could always swith back to the diamond, with Either Kaka or R10/Gourcuff in the whole between the strikers

Why is it that you are always pushing Pirlo up front ?! It doesn't make sense, sure he is a #10, but he failed as a #10 with Inter and Brecia miserably. He came to Milan and had a new role which made him famous ..

His position, craddling the MDfield and defence is the ONLY position, IMO, that Pirlo could bring out all his attributes. Cuz in that deep role we benifit much more than when he is pushed up. Pirlo has a gift !! Which is how Milan tend to score their goals in MOST games that end with Milan winning 1-0 or 2-0 (a low scoring game) .. If you see a scoreline like that, it most likely happened on a counter attack which Pirlo had a first touch on.

But if you moved him upfront, he'll be marked heavily and he'll be wasting his energy just to escape his markings.

He links up the MDfield with the defence, the MDfield with the wing backs, the MDfield with Kaka/Seedorf .. I mean his position is just right for him and the team that we have at hand.

In the WC, it was Lippi's team, they had Perrotta who has a more defensive element to his talent, which is why you found Pirlo pushing up more.

No one wants Pirlo to be pushed up in the attacking midfielder role. We just want him to be a bit more free, like in the world cup where he had perrotta and Rino, or even like in the final, where he had Rino perrotta and De Rossi.

With the formation I wrote in the above post Pirlo isn't high up the pitch, but has to defedsive midfielders covering his back and sweeping up after him.

@han, I get what your saying .. But Ambro and Rino are no Perrotta and De Rossi (.. the later two share similar attributes to Pirlo) .. They can cover up for Pirlo and can even do his job at the back, if he is found out of place.





But I don't believe that this formation is realistic for this reason...

... Ambro is always injured; both him and Gattuso can't contribute what Pirlo would contribute in their positions.

Let us say that if you replace Ambro with Pirlo in the formation above, then you will have a more effective ball movement starting from the back line to the strikers ..

Carlo used to play with Rino and Ambro as the holding MDfielders when Pirlo is out/ substituted .. Do you remember how the team played ?! Horrendous how the ball used to get forward it was either threw the surges of Sergio or Cafu, or the looong balls that usually get scrambled for in MDfield.

That's what I mean ...

let han say it:



what do you mean ?? What we ask here is the job in defense done good and I think Ambro/Brocchi and Rino can do that (cover Pirlo's a$$ perfectly), don't you !!?

I would be glad to share your optimism about that, but I belive it will take us more then just a Gourcuff comeback to bring us out of our problems .

system seems to complicated to me and still a lack of width. pirlo is a playmaker pure and simple so yes he needs protection but thats not needed from behind but beside him. and with andreas range of passing if you play him deep it doesn't matter.
plus theres the added problem of marking him. if you push him up the pitch even a little your putting him to normal midfielders range by staying a little deeper he becomes more akward to mark thus if a team chooses to man mark him it leaves space in the midfield for kaka and seedorf to operate in

mishie's got a good point, let's not forget Pirlo's not the pacy type, so it becomes even more risky to put him in range of their holding mids.

Better off to let him operate like a floater in mid-field. Coming back and forth as he pleases or rather as is required.

And width is an issue, lately that's something that's really opened up a chink in us. If you can't attack from the flanks it's a big dimension taken out of the attack. Our wingbacks are not attacking types per se.

I don't think width would be an issue with that formation, you've got Kaka and Gourcuff or if he comes, R10 operating on the wide side of the pitch, and still have the fullbacks making their runs.



I do agree that Pirlo would be much easier to mark if he was further up but the apposing team's defensive mids would have much more worries about Kaka and Gourcuff/R10 on the wide sides then Pirlo operating in the middle

And I think that with this formation we would have more width, because it wouldn't be just the fullbacks trying to push up but 2 attacking mids who can cross from the flanks or cut through the middle from the wide areas

I said also when the strikers find their feet!! It's only a matter of time!

What I mean is exactly what I stated; De Rossi and Perrotta are DMfielders w/ extra attributes that are commenly Pirlos' ..

They can cover his a$$ (Rino & Ambro), I agree .. But with the three of them, you'll be playing Catanatio (spelling) .. Pirlo can cover his own space as he has amazing ball control, so less margin of error .. Why would you bring him forward when you have Kaka (and as han stated in that line up) Ronaldinho .. I mean he wont even be given space with the two of them up front, plus he losses his efficiency when you move him up even just a bit .. Carlo played him up a bit when he was playing the tee formation at the start of the season, u saw how unefficient he was ..

So why would u add another DM when RIno and Pirlo control the lower part of the pitch, Kaka Ronnie and Seedorf/Gourcuff the upper .. I mean that'll guarentee u a very attack minded team

@han and R7: Ronaldinho is not a Milan player !!
I really can't see why we shouldn't let Pirlo play as he did in Germany ... he was the best player of the tournament ...


is it ???

Yeah... I mean I'm a 100% sure about Pippo... He will start scoring in no time... and Gila & Oli will get back in shape... they just have to find a working formula between themselves.

Not yet I'm dreaming though .. ' I have a dream .. That Milanistas everywhere will soon get my dream .. '



Ok .. let him play up a bit, I give up ..

But dont go bashing at Carlo when I tell him to play him up the field a bit ..

My fingers are crossed .. Homefully against Palermo

Yeah... Homefully!!!!!!!

Damn !!! Someone switch the 'P ' with the 'M ' on my key board !!!

so m ussy is actually ..

That why I use the R10/Gourcuff because I'm not sure if he will come.

But I think it is becoming clearly obvios how serious they are about this, I think that the move will eventually happen

too bad I'm not so sure about that ...


I'll try not to !!

Of course he will! It's SUPERPIPPO!!! If that guy stops scoring, he'll be back with a great game, AND if he was fit he always scored, so I don't have any doubts about him.

i've gotten little to no sleep this week

because of this i fell asleep while watching the game

however, i woke up right before kaka scored and right around the 89th minute to see us win...so i'm not sure who did what well or bad, all i know is that we won