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QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 4 2021, 12:54 PM) *
Could it possibly be because of the amortisation stuff?

Because otherwise it would not make sense


No way. Say you buy a player for 30M on a 5 year contract. Annual amortisation would be 6M. After 3 years, when his residual value is 12M, you renew his contract for 3 more years. 2 remaining years + 3 extra years means the 12M would be spread over 5 years, hence annual amortisation would be 12/5=2.4M, far less than the initial 6M.

Kessie was purchased for 24M in 2019 after 2 years on loan, but his 5 year contract already started in 2017. Now I don't know in these cases whether annual amortisation is spread throughout the whole 5 years or only over 3 years, but the idea is the same, that when you extend a player's contract then the spread of his remaining residual value would be extended even further, hence annual amortisation would be even less.
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Castillejo may join CSKA on loan, as the transfer market in Russia ends on 7 September.
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Rumours about PSG having offered 8M + 2M bonuses to Kessie...
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 4 2021, 02:10 PM) *
Rumours about PSG having offered 8M + 2M bonuses to Kessie...

Honestly, f@ck Leonardo!

We need to do whatever it takes to keep Kessie with us. I'm tired of reading posts on social media saying he's a mercenary etc, etc

All players will do what is best for them, and if other clubs are willing to offer him that kind of money, he will go there because he has that opportunity. Just like any one of us would jump ship if such opportunities arise in our own careers.

The strategy we have of a dreamed up wage cap is not going to work. Not if we want to be challenging for the title and making CL each year. It is simply not sustainable because there will always be other clubs willing to offer our best players more money. And we'll always come out the losers in that scenario. Even worse, we're not even selling these players and having money to re-invest. We're losing them for free!! Genius move!

Also people are turning on him over a report from a terrible journalist! Great way to encourage the player to stay (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

This same BS will happen when it's time to renew Theo
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post Sep 4 2021, 03:58 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 4 2021, 01:55 PM) *
Castillejo may join CSKA on loan, as the transfer market in Russia ends on 7 September.

We shouldn't let him leave on a dry loan. It's pointless.
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post Sep 4 2021, 04:22 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 4 2021, 03:55 PM) *
Honestly, f@ck Leonardo!

We need to do whatever it takes to keep Kessie with us. I'm tired of reading posts on social media saying he's a mercenary etc, etc

All players will do what is best for them, and if other clubs are willing to offer him that kind of money, he will go there because he has that opportunity. Just like any one of us would jump ship if such opportunities arise in our own careers.

The strategy we have of a dreamed up wage cap is not going to work. Not if we want to be challenging for the title and making CL each year. It is simply not sustainable because there will always be other clubs willing to offer our best players more money. And we'll always come out the losers in that scenario. Even worse, we're not even selling these players and having money to re-invest. We're losing them for free!! Genius move!

Also people are turning on him over a report from a terrible journalist! Great way to encourage the player to stay (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

This same BS will happen when it's time to renew Theo


I know, I've been saying it for a while now. As long as we'll be owned by Elliott then accounts will matter more than sporting results. Go and read Scaroni's latest statement. All he talks about is sustainability, new stadium, blah blah blah. It's a blow not attracting big names because we're not a top club anymore, it's even worse when you can't even retain your best players because you have decided on a salary cap.

Why should clubs decide on salary caps for themselves anyway? This should be done by UEFA, or at least by the national leagues like what in happened in Spain recently.

It's filthy that these bodies all rose up against the Super League, yet they're only contributing to football becoming an unsustainable bubble that will eventually burst at some point and will destroy the game forever.

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We shouldn't let him leave on a dry loan. It's pointless.


Yeah, the but guy is not part of Pioli's plans anymore. He will barely get any minutes, so what's the point in keeping him? At least this way we won't be paying his salary.
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 4 2021, 04:22 PM) *
I know, I've been saying it for a while now. As long as we'll be owned by Elliott then accounts will matter more than sporting results. Go and read Scaroni's latest statement. All he talks about is sustainability, new stadium, blah blah blah. It's a blow not attracting big names because we're not a top club anymore, it's even worse when you can't even retain your best players because you have decided on a salary cap.

Why should clubs decide on salary caps for themselves anyway? This should be done by UEFA, or at least by the national leagues like what in happened in Spain recently.

It's filthy that these bodies all rose up against the Super League, yet they're only contributing to football becoming an unsustainable bubble that will eventually burst at some point and will destroy the game forever.

This is why I was all for it to happen. And I think it will within the next few years whether people like it or not. Football these days is a monopoly for EPL clubs, PSG and Real to a certain extent but even they are feeling the pinch.

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Yeah, the but guy is not part of Pioli's plans anymore. He will barely get any minutes, so what's the point in keeping him? At least this way we won't be paying his salary.

Don't bet on that. We'd still probably be paying a percentage of that
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Did you see that statement by the Curva Sud complaining about the ticket prices for the CL matches?? These people are unbelievable. Yet they expect the club to grow but won't pay €69 for a ticket....
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Re Kessie, either he is sold this winter or goes away for free next summer. The additions of Adli and Bakayoko is to ease this transition.

Have a bad feeling this will happen with Romagnoli and Theo as well
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 4 2021, 10:25 PM) *
Did you see that statement by the Curva Sud complaining about the ticket prices for the CL matches?? These people are unbelievable. Yet they expect the club to grow but won't pay ?69 for a ticket....


In all honesty they're right. The prices are outrageous.

These are Inter's prices for the group stage games in the CL (click prices for the Madrid game).

These are Milan's.

For example, Inter is charging 120 euros for the frontal orange first row stands, we're charging 199 euros. Inter are charging 85 euros for the first row stands behind the goal, we're charging 139 euros. The difference is too much and unacceptable.

Yes, football is a commodity, nobody is forcing you to go. But shouldn't we also think of the fans and ask for their support after one year and a half playing games behind closed doors? Especially in the CL. And how do we do that? By offering outrageous prices.

Someone was joking that we've put such high prices in order to meet Kessie's salary demands. It's that ridiculous.
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And lo and behold, the club admitted the prices were too high and has decided to amend them.

CHAMPIONS LEAGUE TICKETS: A MESSAGE FROM IVAN GAZIDIS TO THE ROSSONERI
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 5 2021, 03:09 PM) *
And lo and behold, the club admitted the prices were too high and has decided to amend them.

CHAMPIONS LEAGUE TICKETS: A MESSAGE FROM IVAN GAZIDIS TO THE ROSSONERI


Yeah, the thing is quite ridiculous if you ask me. Elliott are a bunch of fucking beggars. I don't know how much time it will take them to realize that this is a football club, and things don't operate in the same way.
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Sep 5 2021, 06:24 AM) *
Re Kessie, either he is sold this winter or goes away for free next summer. The additions of Adli and Bakayoko is to ease this transition.

Have a bad feeling this will happen with Romagnoli and Theo as well

We'll see. The problem with trying to sell him in January is that other clubs can sign a pre-contract with him and get him for free in the summer. The sensible thing to do would be to renew and sell in '22 or '23 when Tonali and Adli are more ready to take over. I would not have a problem with this, just like I wouldn't have any problem selling Theo for 70m either. As long as we make good money on these players, for me everyone is sellable and replaceable.

But you need good incoming cash flow to make this model work, similar to what Dortmund do.

That's why it is important to keep the important players on long term contracts. So whenever any other club comes knocking, we hold the power in the negotiations.

Theo and Bennacer should be renewed ASAP. If not, we're going to face the same issue. Never mind Romagnoli's situation as well which is even more precarious.

Btw, notice how the media keeps talking about Kessie's contract and not Romagnoli. When they are both basically in the same situation. This is because they know which one the fans are interested in more and which one will get them the clicks

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In all honesty they're right. The prices are outrageous.

These are Inter's prices for the group stage games in the CL (click prices for the Madrid game).

These are Milan's.

For example, Inter is charging 120 euros for the frontal orange first row stands, we're charging 199 euros. Inter are charging 85 euros for the first row stands behind the goal, we're charging 139 euros. The difference is too much and unacceptable.

Yes, football is a commodity, nobody is forcing you to go. But shouldn't we also think of the fans and ask for their support after one year and a half playing games behind closed doors? Especially in the CL. And how do we do that? By offering outrageous prices.

Someone was joking that we've put such high prices in order to meet Kessie's salary demands. It's that ridiculous.

Ticket prices in Italy are sold for peanuts if you compare them to stadiums in England. And this is not some random Serie A game. These are all going to be big European nights. These people are the ones who put up banners with "insert coin here" written on it but they do not want to contribute to making the club stronger.

If the stadium project does happen, prices will automatically go up. These people have the privilege of watching their club play at the San Siro on a big European night. I wish I had the same opportunity
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 5 2021, 02:00 PM) *
Btw, notice how the media keeps talking about Kessie's contract and not Romagnoli. When they are both basically in the same situation. This is because they know which one the fans are interested in more and which one will get them the clicks


Indeed. Nobody gives two shits about Romagnoli compared to Kessie, when in reality Romagnoli is an overall good defender and can easily be sold for 20-25 million.

We'll see what happens. Some rumours say that whenever the club raises their proposal to Kessie, his agent also raises his demands, as if to imply that the guy just doesn't wanna renew. But then again why did he make those statements a month ago, remember?

?It?s all about the Games now, but when I return to Milan I will fix everything,? Kessie, who is nicknamed the President, said. ?I only want Milan, [Paolo] Maldini and [Fredeeric] Massara know my thoughts. I like it so much when the ultras sing ?a President, there is only a President ... '. Well, I want to be one for life. At least in football.?

In my opinion Kessie wants to be the player that earns the most at the club, so his demand should be around 7M per year, what we currently pay Zlatan. Whereas the club must be offering him something like 5.5M that eventually will increase every year up to 6.5M. I read this somewhere, and I think it's the most plausible scenario.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 5 2021, 02:00 PM) *
Ticket prices in Italy are sold for peanuts if you compare them to stadiums in England. And this is not some random Serie A game. These are all going to be big European nights. These people are the ones who put up banners with "insert coin here" written on it but they do not want to contribute to making the club stronger.

If the stadium project does happen, prices will automatically go up. These people have the privilege of watching their club play at the San Siro on a big European night. I wish I had the same opportunity


No man, the prices were ridiculously high, even the club itself admitted it.

If and when a new stadium becomes reality, then you can charge higher prices. But as things stand right now you've got to charge what the standard in Italy is for these competitions.
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 5 2021, 04:33 PM) *
Indeed. Nobody gives two shits about Romagnoli compared to Kessie, when in reality Romagnoli is an overall good defender and can easily be sold for 20-25 million.

We'll see what happens. Some rumours say that whenever the club raises their proposal to Kessie, his agent also raises his demands, as if to imply that the guy just doesn't wanna renew. But then again why did he make those statements a month ago, remember?

?It?s all about the Games now, but when I return to Milan I will fix everything,? Kessie, who is nicknamed the President, said. ?I only want Milan, [Paolo] Maldini and [Fredeeric] Massara know my thoughts. I like it so much when the ultras sing ?a President, there is only a President ... '. Well, I want to be one for life. At least in football.?

In my opinion Kessie wants to be the player that earns the most at the club, so his demand should be around 7M per year, what we currently pay Zlatan. Whereas the club must be offering him something like 5.5M that eventually will increase every year up to 6.5M. I read this somewhere, and I think it's the most plausible scenario.



No man, the prices were ridiculously high, even the club itself admitted it.

If and when a new stadium becomes reality, then you can charge higher prices. But as things stand right now you've got to charge what the standard in Italy is for these competitions.


I was wondering if the opposition matters in such scenarios? We're playing Liverpool, Atheltico and Porto. Who are Inter playing? Still the gap between the prices is too much.
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