[Fillipo Simone]

Agreed, shameful. But French security is also a joke. I think 50% of the blame for what happened goes to them as well.

But the tragic thing is, does huligans are counting on it. They did it to get us expelled.

[kurtsimonw]

Agreed, shameful. But French security is also a joke. I think 50% of the blame for what happened goes to them as well.

But the tragic thing is, does huligans are counting on it. They did it to get us expelled.

Why would your own fans want you expelled?

People I know their said the French security and policing has been pathetic. No intention to stop things, just react to things that do happen.

[Fillipo Simone]

Because this is how they intend to force the Football Federation officials to resign. It's a complete mess here in Croatia, I could go on and on about the situation, politically, socially, economically. But the basic idea behind these riots is to get us expelled, to ensure big financial and other penalties so that our football is paralyzed and the leading people of the FA are forced to resign.

[X-Offender]

I was searched twice in Marseille. Security was very tight. How the hell did these people manage to hide all those smoke bombs?

Anyhow, if UEFA kick Croatia out it would be unfair. By that logic, England and Russia should be out as well considering all the chaos and destruction their fans are creating.

[Ry4n]

Why would your own fans want you expelled?

People I know their said the French security and policing has been pathetic. No intention to stop things, just react to things that do happen.

Bilic explained somethings as i am a bit vague on the whole crowed trouble last night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJVDioS-XXY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzwoXq44W_M...eature=youtu.be

But from reading the comments it may be Bilic isn't telling the full story..i don't know.

" It's not just about the rivalry between north and south. It's about corruption within the CFF. Bilic is simplifying the issue. These people (who in my opinion are choosing the wrong methods) are against certain people within the CFF who they see as having "privatized" the CFF and the Croatian NT for their own profit. I mean currently the main man (basically a "shadow boss") is Zdravko Mamic. This man spent several months in jail until he was released on bail (the trial is still ongoing) and is involved in some of the shadiest stuff within the federation. I mean there are loads of stuff about him on the internet...simple Google search will do and you will learn everything you need to know why this happened.

And BTW I in no way support this kind of beahvior. I would also like things to become more transparent within the Croatian football and I honestly hate ppl like Mamic...but this kind of stuff does not hurt them at all...quite the opposite. Mamic has been claiming for years he was being attacked by extremists and hooligans but in truth he was trying to hide his own criminal behavior...so basically this kind of BS gives him credence and gives him the right to say: "I told you so"; which is really really wrong and sad. And it is also unfair to the players and the normal fans who may not give a **** about CFF but they love the NT. I mean you saw the game today...after that break Croatian players were completely lost...you can barely keep playing after that.... "

another comment from a croation fan : We are ashamed that war profiteer Zdravko Mamić is still the head of our Nation Federation. Ultras groups did it so they would force him to resign, they want to kick Croatia out so he goes away. He has been involved in numerous affairs and has robbed tens of millions of euros. They didn't do it for fun.

Ry4n :What ever the reasons are for people to act like this. They should be thoroughly checked i mean wtf seriously if ISIS was going to strike now or any other terrorist group that wanted to bring **** in as easy as these guys did....security is bloody paramount. France does not cut it. All i can say is god help us when Russia WC rolls around. Qatar is actually looking stable choice atm...

This post has been edited by Ry4n: Jun 18 2016, 02:30 AM

[Fillipo Simone]

Yes, Mamić is a big problem. But those people are fanatical, and their means most harmful. I'm not a Mamić supporter, but I do believe that you have to go through trial to be sentenced and found guilty. Mamić spent weeks in a prison cell, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's guilty.

The bigger problem is with such individuals. They're basically undermining every progress. I'm sure as hell that if Mamić would go away and another person would come in they'd do the same in no time.

Football is full of corruption. Every big team has this; just look at Platini and Blatter.

[kurtsimonw]

I was searched twice in Marseille. Security was very tight. How the hell did these people manage to hide all those smoke bombs?

Anyhow, if UEFA kick Croatia out it would be unfair. By that logic, England and Russia should be out as well considering all the chaos and destruction their fans are creating.

UEFA only have jurisdiction for stuff happening inside the stadium. Russia were given a suspended ban because they were the ones causing trouble/using flares, not us. I do not condone any violence by any English supporters, but I will also say a lot of it is reactive.

We have some dumb fans, there is no doubting that, these fans will be looking for any reason to cause trouble and fortunately a few of them have been arrested. But there's also an issue with our own media trying to paint a bad picture of our fans because it looks better. What was reported on the first weekend? England fans chanting at police after they had just had tear gas used on them or German and Ukraine fans, fighting and being arrested, with German fans waving Nazi supporting flags? Of course it's whatever makes the English fans look bad. But when you have French police tear gassing English fans for no reason other than we're in a large group singing and chanting, local ultras attacking British while they're sitting down trying to eat or Russians who've admitted training for years just to fight English fans, it's no wonder some of our fans get more than a little pissed off. Our fans have had no protection at all and have been attacked repeatedly. There's also the fact that throwing flares that explode on to the field of play is extremely dangerous, had the steward gone to pick it up just one second earlier, his hand would've been blown off.

The French policing is a disgrace. They are absolutely not fit to host a major tournament.

As for football as a whole, it's a mess. Our next 2 World Cups are in a country where MPs are supporting their fans causing trouble, where there's a strong racist element and people have been training to fight fans. The other is in a country where thousands of people have died as a result of slave labour and awful health and safety.

This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: Jun 18 2016, 12:17 PM

[X-Offender]

UEFA only have jurisdiction for stuff happening inside the stadium. Russia were given a suspended ban because they were the ones causing trouble/using flares, not us. I do not condone any violence by any English supporters, but I will also say a lot of it is reactive.

We have some dumb fans, there is no doubting that, these fans will be looking for any reason to cause trouble and fortunately a few of them have been arrested. But there's also an issue with our own media trying to paint a bad picture of our fans because it looks better. What was reported on the first weekend? England fans chanting at police after they had just had tear gas used on them or German and Ukraine fans, fighting and being arrested, with German fans waving Nazi supporting flags? Of course it's whatever makes the English fans look bad. But when you have French police tear gassing English fans for no reason other than we're in a large group singing and chanting, local ultras attacking British while they're sitting down trying to eat or Russians who've admitted training for years just to fight English fans, it's no wonder some of our fans get more than a little pissed off. Our fans have had no protection at all and have been attacked repeatedly. There's also the fact that throwing flares that explode on to the field of play is extremely dangerous, had the steward gone to pick it up just one second earlier, his hand would've been blown off.

The French policing is a disgrace. They are absolutely not fit to host a major tournament.

As for football as a whole, it's a mess. Our next 2 World Cups are in a country where MPs are supporting their fans causing trouble, where there's a strong racist element and people have been training to fight fans. The other is in a country where thousands of people have died as a result of slave labour and awful health and safety.

Then it's UEFA and the French police's fault for failing to thoroughly check the supporters before entering the stadium. Why on earth should the Croatian players endure the consequences of their incompetence? Especially since a lot of people seem to be aware of the real reason why those Croatian "fans" acted like that.

Let Croatia finish the tournament, and ban all those idiots from France. End of story.

[kurtsimonw]

Then it's UEFA and the French police's fault for failing to thoroughly check the supporters before entering the stadium. Why on earth should the Croatian players endure the consequences of their incompetence? Especially since a lot of people seem to be aware of the real reason why those Croatian "fans" acted like that.

Let Croatia finish the tournament, and ban all those idiots from France. End of story.

They were fighting AND throwing flares on to the pitch. Whatever the reason, you can't allow it. Russia got a suspended ban for fighting, but this is worse, you have to go further. Whether it's a points deduction or kicking them out, who knows.

Serbia were given a points deduction, despite the fact that you had a drone which really incited the violence. For Croatia, there was no provocation. If anything, I'd argue the reason for it happening is more of a reason to kick them out. Because what is stopping them doing it again? With Russia the reason was that they admitted they were only attacking England fans, so their next game - not against England - meant that there was no trouble. For Croatia, what reason is there for them not to do this again?

[han2503]

I feel sorry for Croatia's NT, the players looked truly disgusted by their own fans and the fact that they threw away the game after the events happened is testament to how shook up they were.

That being said I have to agree with kurt here. Some type of action does need to happen. Don't know if deducting points will help much of anything. And to throw them out would be very harsh imo for the players and staff but if this keeps going on I don't know what else can be done

Which is truly sad for the tournament as a whole as I feel Croatia were one of the few teams so far who I personally have enjoyed watching

[Fillipo Simone]

Like I said, by punishing the Croatian NT those hooligans win. The true culprits should be punished/sentenced with jail time, while most of the other blame goes to the French. As I listened today I realized that our Football federation knew about the plan for an attack in St. Etienne and warned the French authorities, send them files etc. What more could they have done?

[X-Offender]

They were fighting AND throwing flares on to the pitch. Whatever the reason, you can't allow it. Russia got a suspended ban for fighting, but this is worse, you have to go further. Whether it's a points deduction or kicking them out, who knows.

Serbia were given a points deduction, despite the fact that you had a drone which really incited the violence. For Croatia, there was no provocation. If anything, I'd argue the reason for it happening is more of a reason to kick them out. Because what is stopping them doing it again? With Russia the reason was that they admitted they were only attacking England fans, so their next game - not against England - meant that there was no trouble. For Croatia, what reason is there for them not to do this again?

And who allowed them to carry those flares inside the stadium? The French police. And they even knew about it like Fillipo just said, yet they let it happen. This is on UEFA and the French's incompetence, nothing more. A few hooligans disrupting the peace shouldn't become the cause for kicking the Croatian players in the teeth and throw away all the hard work they put to get into these Euros.

And it's also totally different from Serbia-Albania, as the whole stadium was chanting racist slurs, and the Serbian authorities were responsible for the organization and security of the event, which they failed at. Albania-Serbia was played a few months later, what happened? Nothing.

This post has been edited by X-Offender: Jun 18 2016, 11:02 PM

[Ry4n]

I feel sorry for Croatia's NT, the players looked truly disgusted by their own fans and the fact that they threw away the game after the events happened is testament to how shook up they were.

That being said I have to agree with kurt here. Some type of action does need to happen. Don't know if deducting points will help much of anything. And to throw them out would be very harsh imo for the players and staff but if this keeps going on I don't know what else can be done

Which is truly sad for the tournament as a whole as I feel Croatia were one of the few teams so far who I personally have enjoyed watching

Anything impacting the actual team as a whole at the tournament would be harsh , but maybe they should just stop there fans going to the stadium next tournament , but that would probably mean the fans will start rioting in the streets. Its a hard situation...

[han2503]

What really irks me is the fact that disgruntled football fans could easily cause such a situation. All while the very real threat of a terrorist attack similar to what happened a few months ago could happen in France and the security is seemingly lax.

It's just inconceivable to me that security in and around the grounds could be so relaxed when lives could be lost there. I would have imagined that getting in the stadiums would be like trying to enter Fort Knox, which should be the case but it seemingly isn't

[kurtsimonw]

Given the terror threat, you would expect better. It's a legitimate thing to be concerned about.

I really do not know what you can do about Croatia. Even banning anyone with a Croatian passport entry to the game is harsh on the majority of supporters who are there to support their nation.

Let's hope their final game goes without incident and you can put it down to a one off.

It amazes me how so many flares get in though, after Hungary scored it was insane. I've never been near one, but apparently they're very dangerous.