[acid911]

Well, we can at least cross one name off the list. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Dani Alves has (surprise, surprise) signed his Barcelona contract for an additional two years. Had very mixed feelings about him joining us, and even his agent said that we offered him a deal. But nice to see he stays away, wouldn't have been a step in the right direction.

[kurtsimonw]

Like it or not, Juventus invests much more cash into new signings - cash they are able to allocate through their relationship with FIAT via Agnelli. In 11/12 the spent more then 100M € on fresh players, the next season another 70M € and then 30M € the next one. Tell me, when did we every spend 200M € over three seasons?

We spent £250m over 3 years, a long time ago. The difference between when we did it and when Juve did it, is now it's not much money. £250m between 2000/01 and 02/03 was an insane amount of money.

More to the point, our net spend was £170m in that period. Juve's net spend was only £110 which includes making a £20m profit last summer and, despite making a profit, made he CL Final and won the double.

Looking exclusively at expenditure doesn't make sense when it comes to transfers.

This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: Jun 9 2015, 12:49 PM

[acid911]

Well the current players we're linked with don't give me much hope, and neither does our coaching selection tbh

Going after Alves at this point, considering the wage demands he'd have for me shows that Galliani simply has not and will never learn his lesson

And that is why I'm still sticking with my point of having to endure another season of Allegri if (hypothetically speaking) it meant we somehow got rid of Galliani. Apparently, it's rather hard to get rid of the loser, and it seems even with the investment coming in, he will stay. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) For a long time.

I know Berlusconi is one of the big reasons why we are down, the prime reason one being the circumstances, but Galliani is the one that made things all the more difficult for us. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Sure he pulled off magic back in the days, but man, the past few seasons Galliani has been an absolute joke in terms of management.

Signing a champion like Ibra and a flop like Robinho in the same window. All the extravagant contracts he gave to has beens and free transfers, and more importantly, not developing our brand in markets where we already enjoyed a following. The Middle East, Far East countries like China, Japan and more, as well as South America.

Horrific performance from a high ranking official at a big football club.

[X-Offender]

We have to be very careful with how we spend these money. Prices nowadays are crazy. €35 million for Jackson Martinez, another €35 million for Kondogbia. As if we're talking about alleged champions here. These guys are nobodies. They're good, but still nobodies. Clubs are looking in every way to extort exorbitant amounts of money at every chance they get. I really like Kondogbia, but I would never spend €35 million for him. I'd rather get Nainggolan for half of that amount. Hopefully Galliani doesn't screw this up, cos we ain't getting another chance like this at building a competitive team.

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I will say one thing though. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Don't really feel that there are too many good players on the market right now. Clubs like Chelsea, PSG and United have hoarded many of the prospects. So if the management goes in with a few old hands along with a few players that are on the fringes, and maybe a champion or two, then I'll be pleased.

Godin, Hummels and Chicharito? I'll take them. Just mix these guys up with the right young ones. Age 25 or so.

[acid911]

And now apparently Inter Milan want Juan Cuadrado on a loan deal. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) With an option to buy. Another player that I wouldn't mind, even though he is not of ideal age right now to build upon. But a good one to have for the short term, has talent as well as league experience.

[acid911]

Khedira to Juventus official, by the way. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif) Man, these guys are getting good at signing free players.

[han2503]

And that is why I'm still sticking with my point of having to endure another season of Allegri if (hypothetically speaking) it meant we somehow got rid of Galliani. Apparently, it's rather hard to get rid of the loser, and it seems even with the investment coming in, he will stay. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) For a long time.

I know Berlusconi is one of the big reasons why we are down, the prime reason one being the circumstances, but Galliani is the one that made things all the more difficult for us. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Sure he pulled off magic back in the days, but man, the past few seasons Galliani has been an absolute joke in terms of management.

Signing a champion like Ibra and a flop like Robinho in the same window. All the extravagant contracts he gave to has beens and free transfers, and more importantly, not developing our brand in markets where we already enjoyed a following. The Middle East, Far East countries like China, Japan and more, as well as South America.

Horrific performance from a high ranking official at a big football club.

Agreed acid, it's the same things I've been saying for quite some time now. Galliani has been putting us under and making bad decisions for a while now

We have to be very careful with how we spend these money. Prices nowadays are crazy. €35 million for Jackson Martinez, another €35 million for Kondogbia. As if we're talking about alleged champions here. These guys are nobodies. They're good, but still nobodies. Clubs are looking in every way to extort exorbitant amounts of money at every chance they get. I really like Kondogbia, but I would never spend €35 million for him. I'd rather get Nainggolan for half of that amount. Hopefully Galliani doesn't screw this up, cos we ain't getting another chance like this at building a competitive team.

Agreed with this as well, and has been my main worry about a big transfer budget and leaving that in the hands of the same man that has steadily lead us to the position we're in

Khedira to Juventus official, by the way. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif) Man, these guys are getting good at signing free players.

Hmm, could mean that either Pogba or Vidal could be on the way out, not to mention Pirlo as well

[acid911]

Agreed with this as well, and has been my main worry about a big transfer budget and leaving that in the hands of the same man that has steadily lead us to the position we're in

Worst thing that can happen. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Gallliani seems to still be stuck in the 90s. Modern football has evolved beyond that, and you need to be ruthless in the transfer market to make the most of it. Hopefully those paying the money are aware of this, because a less than stellar summer window will mean we'll waste another year.

But more than that, I'm more interested in finding out who we finalize as the coach for next season, and what kind of an input he has in all this. Apparently, we're still discussing things with Inzaghi (with regards to his package), but now with Montella out of a job, a little twist may be on the cards. Who knows?!

[Fillipo Simone]

What I'm unable to understand is why are we apparently ready to spend money but at the same time still aiming for unproven coaches?

[acid911]

What I'm unable to understand is why are we apparently ready to spend money but at the same time still aiming for unproven coaches?

Exactly, this factor alone can bring it all down. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/goodheart.gif) We all know how that (small) project that Galliani initiated a few years back with Ibra and Silva fizzed out. Not just bad signings, but also unproven coaches and preferring certain players over other more capable candidates.

I really like how you mentioned Rijkaard, Fillipo, a few posts back, and personally I'm amazed we haven't approached him all these years. He knows how to build a team, and the input of a coach is vital these days in terms of transfers, and seeking players out. Hopefully we sort out this coach issue first and foremost, as soon as possible.

And only then go on about signing players. Otherwise, I'd have the same doubts with the management as I've had them in the past. Berlusconi and Galliani have given us two highs and two lows over the past three decades, and that's as clear a signal that they are neither ruthless, nor particularly forward thinking when it comes to management.

Maybe that's because up until now, they had the luxury of knowing that they have the necessary funds to right the wrongs. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) And they have, the 2000s team was full of class players, but they surely can't make the same mistakes now. Not in this environment. So hopefully the new investors know what they're doing.

Because I'm not sure our current management does!

[han2503]

Worst thing that can happen. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Gallliani seems to still be stuck in the 90s. Modern football has evolved beyond that, and you need to be ruthless in the transfer market to make the most of it. Hopefully those paying the money are aware of this, because a less than stellar summer window will mean we'll waste another year.

But more than that, I'm more interested in finding out who we finalize as the coach for next season, and what kind of an input he has in all this. Apparently, we're still discussing things with Inzaghi (with regards to his package), but now with Montella out of a job, a little twist may be on the cards. Who knows?!

I think Miha is set imo. I wish we'd go for Montella but I can't see that happening.

Re your comment about Galliani and the new investors, it's still an issue because they don't have control, just a minority share, which still leaves things up to Silvio, and as long as he's alive, he'll continue to let Galliani do as he pleases. Unless Barbara decided to try for another dethroning endeavour, I can't see him being removed from his position by Bee and his consortium.

What I'm unable to understand is why are we apparently ready to spend money but at the same time still aiming for unproven coaches?

The big money talk is all just speculation anyway. Until I see us actually spending on proven talent worth more than the odd 7m I won't believe that we're all that keen on spending

As for the coaching issue, imo it has to do with vision, which Galliani imo no longer has. Look at what our options were. The only top class coach they were trying for was Carlo, someone from our past that they know well, forget trying to bring in someone who's great but looking outside of the box for once.

Once Carlo closed the door for us, we went from looking at someone who's on a world class level to run of the mill Serie A coaches like Sinisa, who imo offer nothing that Allegri didn't in the past. Hey, at least we didn't repeat the mistake for a 3rd time running and went for a rookie like Brocchi

[acid911]

Hey, at least we didn't repeat the mistake for a 3rd time running and went for a rookie like Brocchi

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[acid911]

I think Miha is set imo. I wish we'd go for Montella but I can't see that happening.

Skittles! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) I too would have preferred Montella over him, but I'm still holding out for a little miracle. If only Sevilla had not won the Europa League, we might have been in with a better chance for a proper coach.

Re your comment about Galliani and the new investors, it's still an issue because they don't have control, just a minority share, which still leaves things up to Silvio, and as long as he's alive, he'll continue to let Galliani do as he pleases. Unless Barbara decided to try for another dethroning endeavour, I can't see him being removed from his position by Bee and his consortium.

I personally feel that this is the end of the Berlusconi era. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) One way or another. 48% still is significant control, or should I say, sway. Throw in some corporate boadroom politics, and some of the other smaller share holders could switch camps, change alliances.

But even if we leave this scenario aside, I think there is a fair chance that these new investors will aim for a bigger stake within the next few years. Provided this project kicks off. Not to mention the fact that no one will sit aside while a bumbling idiot keeps on making wrong moves.

Not when they have thrown in more than half a billion into the frying pan! There is hope still.

The big money talk is all just speculation anyway. Until I see us actually spending on proven talent worth more than the odd 7m I won't believe that we're all that keen on spending

Nah, there has to be something here. FFP only allows new owners one season to splash the cash before the regulations kick in. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) And if we are to spend in excess of whatever amount is thrown around, 100, 150 million, then the time to do it is now. Unless of course, the new owners find it pleasurable to pay fines.

May only concern is that the lack of Champions League football limits our options greatly, in terms of proven players at least. Galliani said last month that there will be a lot of signings this window, and for better or worse, I believe him this time. Because otherwise, we're looking at an even more devaluation of our brand and prestige.

As for the coaching issue, imo it has to do with vision, which Galliani imo no longer has. Look at what our options were. The only top class coach they were trying for was Carlo, someone from our past that they know well, forget trying to bring in someone who's great but looking outside of the box for once.

Agreed. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) Still even with the Miha connection, I'll hope against hope that we go for a better choice, and a proven coach that can stamp his authority and philosophy from the first match of the season. Not someone that learns on the job and gets paid good money to do so.

More than that, I hope for some sense and say from the guys that are bringing in the investment. Footballing sense.

Once Carlo closed the door for us, we went from looking at someone who's on a world class level to run of the mill Serie A coaches like Sinisa, who imo offer nothing that Allegri didn't in the past. Hey, at least we didn't repeat the mistake for a 3rd time running and went for a rookie like Brocchi

That said, I don't think Carlo would have come. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) He's not just the luckiest cat around, he knows that even with the investment, the Milan job will not match the highs of say Manchester City or Bayern Munich and other high profile clubs. I believe he would have said no either way, and the wait for an extra few days was just a ruse.

Wish him all the best for his surgery, but come on, he did not mention taking a rest, and year off, when he was coaching Real Madrid. Had he been allowed to continue there, pretty sure he would have for one more season.

[William405]

I think you have your display mode set to 'Outline'.

Scroll the page up and click the options button. Set the display mode to standard and it should be fixed. If not refresh the page again or close the tab and re-open

Thanks man, you're a lifesaver! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/king.gif)