[kurtsimonw]

I do think Barca will win, they'll have too much for Juve.

Juve just need to stay disciplined and press. Bayern's pressing was Serie C level and gave Barca's midfield 3 and Messi way too much time on the ball.

[Danny]

Really? You blame Carlo?

I personally blame Perez. His signings simply unbalanced the team, last season Real were much better and this was before they bought Kroos and James needlessly

Alienating and selling Di Maria was the worst mistake they've made in quite some time.

Yes, it's still not a good excuse for Carlo to be coming out of a season empty handed with that team, but the CL was a far fetched dream imo, no one will ever be able to retain that trophy. I personally just think that this is simply not his fault, I'm sure if it were up to him, he'd have much rather had kept last seasons team with only a couple of additions that were mostly peripheral. It all comes down to Real and their way of doing things. Always wanting the newest big name on the market to add to the collection of the Gollacticos. And this is not the first time that Perez ruined a perfectly well rounded side in order to add bigger and flashier names.

As for the final and Juve, I personally cannot see past Barca, I actually predicted that Juve would go through tonight based on the first leg, when I said I saw a Juve-Barca final with Barca steam rolling Juve in that one. That's what I predicted last week and what I still predict today.


For me this is another one of your moments where you immediately jump to a certain conclusion off of very little.

Ronaldo was simply amazing last year, having an off game here and there does not change that. Messi has been better this year, but one can arguably say that Ronaldo was better last year. This is not something that is set in stone, it depends on a lot of things. For me they're both the best two players of this generation, can't it be as simple as that?

I said Messi was the best right now. Which f*cking part of that do you bloody disagree with!?

[Danny]

Carlo terrible? Be serious.

I know this forum by and large has a w*nk fest over him, but he's been a management career underachiever with every club he's been at.

He gets a blank chequebook but at no club has he ever convincingly dominated the league or even UCL.

And with the money he's spent at every club, he should have.

[Fillipo Simone]

I know this forum by and large has a w*nk fest over him, but he's been a management career underachiever with every club he's been at.

He gets a blank chequebook but at no club has he ever convincingly dominated the league or even UCL.

And with the money he's spent at every club, he should have.

He's a Milan legend. That's all I'm gonna say, because everything else regarding him I've already said countless times.

So yes, "this forum", like any forum with Red and Black, should appreciate him.

[Rossoneri7]

Carlo terrible? Be serious.

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Kadus to Allegri, he fully deserves all the success he is getting this season.

[X-Offender]

He won them the CL last season, after 12 years. And then you have to take into consideration that he's competing against Barcelona for the league, not just some random team. So yeah, "terrible" is an overstretch.

[han2503]

Isn't it funny that the people who are so bitter towards Carlo also defend Allegri's time at Milan with their dying breaths?

Maybe we are all polarized by our bias, but to say that Carlo is terrible? Come on now. One of the best coaches in our history along with Capello and Sacchi. He went on and achieved other great things with other clubs while Milan stalled and plummeted after he left.

I always said that I believe he should have done a lot more domestically with the team he had, then again, he was competing against a Juve side with a squad that was just as great as ours with the refs in their pockets.

And to say he never dominated in the CL with any side... Really Danny? What other coach out there right now has 3 CL titles to his name? And to say he didn't dominate Europe while at Milan is also a huge oversight imo. We were the number one side based on co-efficient for a number of years under Carlo, we were the regular flag flyers for Serie A in the CL under Carlo while the others faltered

[X-Offender]

Yep. Not to mention the amazing football we played under his coaching for the first 4-5 years. We were always fighting for the title and CL, every season. The only season when we didn't reach an objective was 05/06. In 04/05 we reached the CL final, so it can't be considered a failure. Then after 2007 the team had started degrading, players were unmotivated, our signings were poor, and the results were obvious on the pitch.

[Guest_Suhail 3_*]

Really do think Juventus can win the Champions League..

[Rossoneri7]

It will be interesting to see what Allegri can do, Barca are the best at the moment, their forward line is in top form.

I think Juve have done enough for coefficients just by reaching the final, But I'd trust them to give it a go and try to fight.

[Ry4n]

I think the first 45 will see what Juve can do if they don't concede by half time then they can snatch a 1-0 but i think they're going to score anyway from a set play ala Pirlo cross Barca's defence is woeful in set plays they hence they play with such a high line and no men on the line we all know that.

[Ry4n]

Yep. Not to mention the amazing football we played under his coaching for the first 4-5 years. We were always fighting for the title and CL, every season. The only season when we didn't reach an objective was 05/06. In 04/05 we reached the CL final, so it can't be considered a failure. Then after 2007 the team had started degrading, players were unmotivated, our signings were poor, and the results were obvious on the pitch.

Don't think they were unmotivated just stopped buying players up to scratch.

[han2503]

I think the first 45 will see what Juve can do if they don't concede by half time then they can snatch a 1-0 but i think they're going to score anyway from a set play ala Pirlo cross Barca's defence is woeful in set plays they hence they play with such a high line and no men on the line we all know that.

I think it all depends.

Juve have to be able to get set pieces before they can even start thinking about scoring from them

Also, Pirlo needs to wake up, was pretty bad in the 2nd leg vs Real. If they have any hope of keeping the ball for more than a few seconds at a time, which they couldn't do against Real - who aren't nearly as good at Barca at possession, then Pirlo needs to do better.

Anyway, the game starts at 50-50 for either side, it's a 1 legged tie so Juve have a bit more of a shot. But personally, as I already said, I can't see past Barca for this. Juve's run to the final really reminds me of Italy's to the Euros in 2012. But I think Barca will be one step too far for them, just like Spain were

[Fillipo Simone]

Agreed. We've got the same picture in our heads; the Euro 2012 final.

[han2503]

Agreed. We've got the same picture in our heads; the Euro 2012 final.

Man, what a major let down that was after the performances against England and Germany. But in the end, Spain deserved it, and they were the better team