[Jack Bauer]

Roma finally beat Lazio in the derby (2-0) after few years, Ljajić was very good (earned and scored a penalty).

Tevez, another Galliani's summer flame, also scored today as Juve beat Verona 2-1.

Many CL contenders are looking good while we are a total mess.

[han2503]

Can't believe we missed out on Ljajic. That's going to be our biggest regret. Tevez in only going to be a spark for Juve, he's not a long term solution, but Ljajic is such an amazing young talent.

The only thing that p!sses me off about Tevez is that we basically funded his move to Juve when we supposedly couldn't afford him when we actually had the chance to get him.

This summer has been a total mess, whichever way you look at it.

Kaka and Poli were the only moves which were smart imo. Hopefully we haven't lost out on Honda as well

[CrazyMilanFan]

Gennaro Gattuso got fired as palermo coach.... wrong plaece to start one's career imo...

[han2503]

Look at Inter, on the attack yet they're still not getting stupidly caught out on counters on the turn-overs

That's what a disciplined defence and midfield does, even when their FBs are in the opponent's side of the pitch

[Ry4n]

2-1 to inter nearly the end of the match (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) god damn it !

was nice to watch ambrosini !

[kurtsimonw]

Look at Inter, on the attack yet they're still not getting stupidly caught out on counters on the turn-overs

That's what a disciplined defence and midfield does, even when their FBs are in the opponent's side of the pitch

I'm personally a massive fan of a back 3, it allows for so much more flexibility.

[Rossoneri7]

Gennaro Gattuso got fired as palermo coach.... wrong plaece to start one's career imo...

Well he could have done better with a stable club. Then again its experience I guess.

[X-Offender]

As much as I can't stand Inter, I just have to applaud them. They basically play with the same team as last year that ended ninth, just a different (and competent) coach seems to be making all the difference. Something to think about.

[han2503]

I'm personally a massive fan of a back 3, it allows for so much more flexibility.

Meh, I personally am not a fan. I was reading the Juve forum a few weeks ago and they absolutely hate that Conte uses it.

I just think that for it to work, everything has to be perfect for it. The tactics, the players and most importantly the coach has to know how to implement it correctly. And imo, the only coaches who have done so successfully are Mazzari and Conte.

We tried it last season - it was a mess. Pandelli uses it at times for Italy with the SAME players who play it at Juve and 99% of the time it doesn't work

As much as I can't stand Inter, I just have to applaud them. They basically play with the same team as last year that ended ninth, just a different (and competent) coach seems to be making all the difference. Something to think about.

This

[kurtsimonw]

Meh, I personally am not a fan. I was reading the Juve forum a few weeks ago and they absolutely hate that Conte uses it.

Whenever I check on Juventuz they basically laugh at anyone who mentions a back 4.

*They don't have a left back.
*They need 3 in midfield, so a back 4 would mean 3 up front which they simply don't have the players for.
*Their best players can't be on the pitch together, or will be played out of position.

3 at the back requires very good defenders with good discipline, so yeah it wouldn't work at Milan.

[han2503]

Whenever I check on Juventuz they basically laugh at anyone who mentions a back 4.

*They don't have a left back.
*They need 3 in midfield, so a back 4 would mean 3 up front which they simply don't have the players for.
*Their best players can't be on the pitch together, or will be played out of position.

3 at the back requires very good defenders with good discipline, so yeah it wouldn't work at Milan.

They have Bonucci in their defence, not the best picture of discipline and "great" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

And last time I was reading the Juventuz forum in the CL thread they were complaining about the 3-man defence system. Yes their argument is that if they us 4 at the back then their CMs wouldn't be able to fit into the side, but they're not happy with it, at least it's a split on how they want their team to play

A back 3 requires not just good defenders, but proper tactics. I already mentioned Italy as a great example, the same players that play in a 3-man backline for Juve deployed in the Azzurri line-up is usually one huge mess. So the coaching, tactics and drilling behind it are more important than the quality of the defenders.

Just look at Inter as a great example of this. Their only good defender is Ranocchia, and even he is prone to mistakes and idiotic moments.

[X-Offender]

Napoli already leading 2-0.

[kurtsimonw]

They have Bonucci in their defence, not the best picture of discipline and "great" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Bonucci is sweeper, he doesn't need to be an excellent defender, but he's a fantastic passer for a CB. It's why they need to play 3-5-2.

[han2503]

Bonucci is sweeper, he doesn't need to be an excellent defender, but he's a fantastic passer for a CB. It's why they need to play 3-5-2.

Imo, the reason they need to play that formation is because of their CMs. Too many great ones and you can't really leave any of them out.

Yes, Bonucci is a great passer, but everything else? He's an average defender at best. To switch to a back 4, he'd obviously be the ones to drop, as is the situation with Italy when they play with 4 at the back

[kurtsimonw]

Imo, the reason they need to play that formation is because of their CMs. Too many great ones and you can't really leave any of them out.

Yes, Bonucci is a great passer, but everything else? He's an average defender at best. To switch to a back 4, he'd obviously be the ones to drop, as is the situation with Italy when they play with 4 at the back

I think it's partly to do with their defense too though. Chiellini is not a left back, Asamoah isn't either. Are they going to start Peluso there? I think they're better sticking with a 3, regardless of their midfield.

Well I don't disagree with any of that.