[kurtsimonw]

The way I see it is like my last post said, we have a decent amount of new players and clearly they needed time to settle into the team and that's clear from the results. To me we have the 4th best squad anyway. At best we have the 3rd best squad, but with the new players it wouldn't have shocked me if we finished 4th.

Football does need to improve and that will come next season.

[Danny]

lol I think that was x-off and he didn't even mention hitler

So you're rational because you're ok with this nonsense and everyone else is not simply because they cannot take this BS from this "coach" any longer? Gotcha. Very nice democratic view on things

Think 'everyone else' boils down to you and X-Off.

I'm rational because I don't consider Allegri the most detestable person of all time after we won against Parma.

You do.

[Zed.D]

^ If we don't improve our football, then we won't get 3rd place. That's all there is to it. But seriously, I can't believe people think we're overachieving. Overachieving would be if we were contending the title with Juventus. We're simply fighting for 3rd place, the minimal objective that even Allegri set at season start.

It's very hard to predict what's going to happen to the team from now. it could go either way. if our recent results suggest anything, we can claim 3rd (and maybe even 2nd) spot come the end of the season. but our tough games are still ahead of us and we could end up well outside the CL spots. but THEN AGAIN, I remember we handled those tough games rather well in the first half of the season, despite many of us fearing the worst. so nothing is certain and no one can tell what's about to come IMO.

Allegri set the objective of finishing 3rd? so what, Galliani said we should win the title...

[X-Offender]

Galliani's senile, Allegri was more rational about it. He knew that without Ibra and Thiago we could not fight for the title any longer, so he set 3rd place as our objective. And most of us in here agreed with him. This team has got everything to reach 3rd place. But our horrible start to the season fooled people into thinking we're 7th place material, and now that we're back on track, they think that we are actually overachieving, which is not the case, at all.

[han2503]

^ If we don't improve our football, then we won't get 3rd place. That's all there is to it. But seriously, I can't believe people think we're overachieving. Overachieving would be if we were contending the title with Juventus. We're simply fighting for 3rd place, the minimal objective that even Allegri set at season start.

Agreed.

I love how people here have so many mood swings from one side to another. We lose points and it's mayhem, we win and Allegri is now "okay" forget the fact that the performance from the draw game vs this one was on the same level. I'd love to see the epic meltdowns that will occur once the tough schedule rolls around and we can barely scrap 3 points from ALL of the games against the top sides.

And I'm sorry dst, but 7th??? FFS, this is Serie A, not the EPL. Who in Serie A has a better squad then ours aside from Juve and Inter? 3rd was always the goal and it's an expected outcome based on the quality at Allegri's disposal. 7th is just an insult to the players that we have

[acid911]

I love how people here have so many mood swings from one side to another. We lose points and it's mayhem, we win and Allegri is now "okay" forget the fact that the performance from the draw game vs this one was on the same level. I'd love to see the epic meltdowns that will occur once the tough schedule rolls around and we can barely scrap 3 points from ALL of the games against the top sides.

I know one member that doesn't. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Fillipo, at least, doesn't seem to like Allegri solid week in and week out, and I can't blame him after seeing the riches of the past seasons. Well, and I'm pretty smooth in this regard too. Don't quite think he's the right coach for us if we want to win something big.

I still remember how he lost us the title last season. Say what you will, but he was a big factor. Injuries too.

And I'm sorry dst, but 7th??? FFS, this is Serie A, not the EPL. Who in Serie A has a better squad then ours aside from Juve and Inter? 3rd was always the goal and it's an expected outcome based on the quality at Allegri's disposal. 7th is just an insult to the players that we have

I think as of right now, you'd have to think really hard to name a better team than us. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) In Serie A. On paper. We maybe lack a good CB in defense, and our midfield could use some work with a creative AM. But all said and done, we are good enough. Or let's just say other clubs are lacking, all 20 in the Italian league.

It's another thing we haver zero chemistry between players and flow to our game. Or we'd be something!

This post has been edited by acid911: Feb 17 2013, 07:34 PM

[drucurl]

Think 'everyone else' boils down to you and X-Off.

I'm rational because I don't consider Allegri the most detestable person of all time after we won against Parma.

You do.

Add me....oh I forgot...I don't count (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
One very peculiar fact about Allegri supporters is that they (generally) tend to assume that they somehow have a better understanding of the situation and dare I say football in general (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

I've cooled down in a lot of hate I've had for him since he first got here....mainly due to the marvelous job he's been doing with the youth but at the end of the day I don't think his flaws make him compatible with big club football. Granted we're only half way through our 3 year rebuilding and a better judgement would be made when he's re-built a team in his image.

What remains to be seen, however is if he can accommodate true artists such as classic #10's , flair wingers and dribblers - i.e. the technical players who are the ONLYones who can unlock the type of defenses he himself seeks to build.

Thus far he's treated the losses of 'dorf, P!rlo, Ron, Merkel as essentially inconsequential. Bojan and Robinho are currently in the doghouse.....as do all players we've had who have some skill on the ball thus far. I know there are different reasons but you know, where there's smoke.....

My guess is that he doesn't mind technical players per se but thinks that they too should be physically imposing as well. So he'll probably take a Hamsik over an Ozil. Possibly an Toure (actually a good passer) over a Kaka....maybe even a Lampard (defends a lot)over an Isco.

This post has been edited by drucurl: Feb 17 2013, 07:56 PM

[han2503]

Think 'everyone else' boils down to you and X-Off.

I'm rational because I don't consider Allegri the most detestable person of all time after we won against Parma.

You do.

Read the thread again and you'll see how it's not just the 2 of us.

And once again, where did I say that I hated him as much as Hitler FFS??

Plus, I'll say it again, just because we don't agree, it does not make you the rational one. It just makes you look arrogant if you actually believe that

[acid911]

a better judgement would be made when he's re-built a team in his image.

I wonder how that dish will look when it's cooked. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/puke.gif)

[han2503]

I wonder how that dish will look when it's cooked. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/puke.gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) so true.

And dru, hasn't he already done that?

The 3 DMs in the midfield, the hard working players on the wing who have zero technical abilities, playing a box-to-box player in the AM position with Boateng the past 2 seasons. Those are all decisions he's happily made while discarding every technical player we had at our disposal

[drucurl]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) so true.

And dru, hasn't he already done that?

The 3 DMs in the midfield, the hard working players on the wing who have zero technical abilities, playing a box-to-box player in the AM position with Boateng the past 2 seasons. Those are all decisions he's happily made while discarding every technical player we had at our disposal

Well I'm really really trying to give him the benefit of the doubt here (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

You see, in order to be totally sure about your theory you have to be your own devil' advocate. Try as best to disprove your own stuff. I think PERSONALLY that he can't handle the tech players... But behind each departure there were other factors that may have influenced them.

Balo is basically a black iBra so now Allegri can happily resume "play the ball to Balo + tighten up at the back" just like old days. If he begins to incorporate an actual playmaking/passing component into our game then it's all good in the hood. If not B&G will most definitely sack the n00b charlatan (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

[acid911]

so true.

This got me thinking, it's probably not that hard for Allegri to rebuild the team anyway. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif) I mean, what's taking him so long. All this can be done on a good weekend, with Sunday to spare! Just fill the team with 11 legs (talentless hacks who can run), or maybe 10 legs and a good to average keeper. And Bob's your uncle!

Having said that I can associate with Allegri and how he's had to battle all those "creative" players along the way. No-good monsters like Ronaldinho, Pilro, Seedorf, even Merkel and Bojan. Unh-unh, the man's got guts. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) I probably wouldn't live to tell the tale if I had to go though all this.

I mean, does anyone here even remember how good, beautiful football used to be played?! At all?! The one that could unlock both great teams and pathetic ones that parked the bus? And blew average ones to bits? Oh, give me the 2002-09 all over again, if not the golden age of yesteryears!

[Danny]

Read the thread again and you'll see how it's not just the 2 of us.

And once again, where did I say that I hated him as much as Hitler FFS??

Didn't you agree with X-Off? PS check the Allegri thread for formal clarification on this one.

Plus, I'll say it again, just because we don't agree, it does not make you the rational one. It just makes you look arrogant if you actually believe that

I've forgotten now what we don't agree about.

Actually, isn't it most everything (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[han2503]

Didn't you agree with X-Off? PS check the Allegri thread for formal clarification on this one.



I've forgotten now what we don't agree about.

Actually, isn't it most everything (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

X-off said he hated him, I agreed. How x-off decided to elaborate on his hate for Allegri seriously has nothing to do with me. I personally hate Allegri because he's made watching Milan - a club I've loved and followed through thick and thin - a chore. Watching this team kick the ball about senselessly for 90 minutes, watching a player like Muntari in our shirt seriously makes me grind my teeth in. That's why I hate him. I don't hate the man, I don't know the man, I simply hate the coach he is and I hate the fact that he#s coaching us. Like I always say, the day this guy is given the boot will be a great day for this club

Doesn't matter. You shouldn't disregard someone simply because they don't share your view and even worse saying you're rational and the other person isn't

[Danny]

X-off said he hated him, I agreed. How x-off decided to elaborate on his hate for Allegri seriously has nothing to do with me.

Not true. His initial post WAS his elaboration. And you agreed with it.

I personally hate Allegri because he's made watching Milan - a club I've loved and followed through thick and thin - a chore. Watching this team kick the ball about senselessly for 90 minutes, watching a player like Muntari in our shirt seriously makes me grind my teeth in. That's why I hate him. I don't hate the man, I don't know the man, I simply hate the coach he is and I hate the fact that he#s coaching us. Like I always say, the day this guy is given the boot will be a great day for this club

Doesn't matter. You shouldn't disregard someone simply because they don't share your view and even worse saying you're rational and the other person isn't

When it comes to an over the top comment such as hating someone more than you've ever hated anyone ever in the history of everything purely based on their management of your football team, then is that rational on any level at all?

If you think that's rational then 'I seriously feel sorry for you'.