[X-Offender]

Wow...you really do have a reality distortion field. So if a suspended player who throws a tantrum decides he will play at another team...he is 99% the other teams player? The fact is we were tapping him up and if we were in England we might even have been sanctioned.

And as for Pato...PSG made a great offer that had to be thought about. As opposed to say Barca with their 25 for Silva...which doeant require a second look. They thought about it and said no. It's part and parcel of daily business.

Dude, where were you in January? I'm not inventing any of that, it was reported everywhere. Galliani was in London to close the deal with City, Pato had to decided to sign for PSG. Then Berlusconi barged in and aborted everything, supposedly because he wasn't satisfied with the quality/price rapport.

Now, if you refuse to believe any of that, or if you believe, like Zed, that it was Pato who actually changed his mind at the last moment, that's fine with me. But don't say I have a distorted reality field or crap like that, because I'm speaking based on the words of the media and Mr. Berlusconi himself.

[Jack Sparrow]

My question exactly. Where were you in January?

Tevez's preferred choice would be AC Milan but Al-Mubarak criticised both the club and their vice-president Adriano Galliani, saying the Italians' discussions with Tevez and his advisers had been "premature".

"As things stand, AC Milan are not an option for Carlos," said Al-Mubarak, who will only let Tevez go for £25m, plus add-ons.

Speaking publicly on the subject for the first time, Al-Mubarak told the National newspaper in Abu Dhabi : "If they want to be a
consideration in this transfer window, they would do better to stop congratulating one another and begin to look at how they would meet our terms.

"Unless we receive an offer we deem appropriate, the terms of his contract will be enforced.

"Inter Milan and Paris Saint-Germain approached discussions with us in good faith. It is always a positive experience to deal with people with a professional approach."

Definitely sounds like he was 99% ours. Actually I'll go with 99.9% . (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[X-Offender]

My question exactly. Where were you in January?

Definitely sounds like he was 99% ours. Actually I'll go with 99.9% . (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Old interview. We did get into official negotiations with them afterwards (Galliani's trip to London), and we had a deal: loan until June with obligation to sign him for €25 million, which we'd get from Pato's sale.

You really weren't here in January, were you?

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[X-Offender]

http://italianleaguetickets.blogspot.com/2...-alexandre.html

http://www.gazzetta.it/Calciomercato/12-01...275465443.shtml

There you go. It clearly states that it was Berlusconi who blocked Pato's move and that both transfers were closely tied. Pato going to PSG would have meant Tevez signing for us. The second link is a detailed Gazzetta article about what really happened that day, which you can't understand, but that it pretty much sums up everything I've been saying. Use Google Translate if you don't believe me.

[Jack Sparrow]

I'm going with the gazzeta link since that is the ony official source. It states the following:

1. Galliani was in Man City
2. Pato's final offer had been thought fit by Milan, but they only needed to see if the player was ready to move. This has for the past few years been the policy. We do it with Sheva, Kaka and now Pato.
3. Pato turned down the offer.
4. Therefore hypothetically we didn't have money to pay City.

The gazzeta article was on January 12. My article which you state as old, was from the BBC and dated 25th January.

Anyway I'm tired of this discussion. You're going to insist your hypothesis is correct, while I will not agree. So leave it.

FWIW, I'm glad Pato is here instead of Tevez.

[Zed.D]

Dude, where were you in January? I'm not inventing any of that, it was reported everywhere. Galliani was in London to close the deal with City, Pato had to decided to sign for PSG. Then Berlusconi barged in and aborted everything, supposedly because he wasn't satisfied with the quality/price rapport.

If Pato really wanted to go, Berlu wouldn't have stopped the deal. we don't keep players against their wishes. so yes, I think he wanted to stay as well.

I'm saying that based on the words of the media and Mr. Alexandre Rodrigues da Silva himself. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/innocent.gif)

Are you telling me Pato wanted to go but Berlu didn't let him? BS.



EDIT: or... what Jack wrote above.

This post has been edited by Zed.D: May 21 2012, 08:52 AM

[Jack Sparrow]

Pretty much. To sell Pato for Tevez doesn't make sense even from the financial perspective, forget team-spirit and all that.

Plus we have the word from Galliani that the only reason the transfer was even thought of was coz of the Cassano injury and because we weren't sure if Tonio would ever play again. That was a huge risk. Now I'm glad.

I'd take Cassano anyday over Pato. And I have to believe Pato will be well again next season. He needs to be treated next season like SeS was. No stress, no pressure, just get back into the groove.

[CHU-LIP]

If Pato really wanted to go, Berlu wouldn't have stopped the deal. we don't keep players against their wishes. so yes, I think he wanted to stay as well.

I'm saying that based on the words of the media and Mr. Alexandre Rodrigues da Silva himself. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/innocent.gif)

Are you telling me Pato wanted to go but Berlu didn't let him? BS.

Berlusconi said everything was done, (Galliani, Pato, Allegri agreed with the transfer), but that he himself decided to cancel it (last minute) because he felt like Pato is worth more than what PSG offered to Milan which thus was accepted. As a following of this, there was no money for Tevez, Galliani was already in City, it everyone agreed with everyone there too, yet it was yet to be completed, about to, but last minute, also canceled since Pato's got.

Now, this is what I remember from back then what I read, and believe, thanks for calling it BS.

Pretty much. To sell Pato for Tevez doesn't make sense even from the financial perspective, forget team-spirit and all that.

Plus we have the word from Galliani that the only reason the transfer was even thought of was coz of the Cassano injury and because we weren't sure if Tonio would ever play again. That was a huge risk. Now I'm glad.

I'd take Cassano anyday over Pato. And I have to believe Pato will be well again next season. He needs to be treated next season like SeS was. No stress, no pressure, just get back into the groove.

So it didn't make sense to you, so that means it can't happen? As far as I can remember Galliani has done a zillion things that doesn't make sense to me, same goes for Allegri. Allegri didn't really like Pato, he rather saw him leave and have Tevez instead. Tevez is older, yes, Pato talented and younger, yes, but Allegri wanted Tevez instead, Galliani agreed, Pato agreed with Leonardo's team, everyone agreed, but once Berlusconi found out...

And I'm not glad about it. What has Pato done for us in 2012? Nothing! What has Tevez done in 2012 for City? Obviously a lot more! So I don't see how you can be glad about it now, and keeping Pato is a huge risk as well if anything. He keeps on getting injured. And good for you that you're hopeful with him, others like me are not.

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[Jack Sparrow]

And I'm not glad about it. What has Pato done for us in 2012? Nothing! What has Tevez done in 2012 for City? Obviously a lot more! So I don't see how you can be glad about it now, and keeping Pato is a huge risk as well if anything. He keeps on getting injured. And good for you that you're hopeful with him, others like me are not.

Look,I can accept that you perhaps prefer the playing style of someone like Tevez over Pato. I have a different view of football. For me if you play like a hustler, then you win or you have no excuse. But that's not really the way forward. But alright, we can agree to disagree and I can respect your opinion about how winning is what matters.

But you ask what has Tevez done in 2012 for City? He embarrassed them and if they didn't have the money and the players to fill in that hole, they would have been f@cked. Fortunately and kudos to City...they flipped the finger at Tevez and he came back with his tail between his legs. The way it should be.

I WILL NOT TOLERATE SOMEONE WITH THAT KIND OF TOXIC PERSONALITY WEARING MY TEAM'S COLOURS!

I'm sorry, I'd rather have Ibrahim Ba than Tevez. Even if he were to score 20 goals for us. Ibra might be a lot of things, but I think what he did at Barca is the maximum limit to where he can take it, even though that was wrong, but at least he didn't de-stabilise the team. Nothing like what Tevez did.

[CHU-LIP]

Look,I can accept that you perhaps prefer the playing style of someone like Tevez over Pato.

Thing is, Tevez is exactly what suits in Allegri's style of play for a forward, and Pato exactly what isn't.

So doesn't make sense to you.

But it does to Allegri...

Which is something I wanted to point out to you.

[Jack Sparrow]

Maybe. But I think Allegri has to change his approach then. He has what happened to AVB to serve as a reminder.

Allegri's approach works in a place like the league,where the season is long and you can keep grinding out the points and hypothetically gain first place even if you lose to teams as-good or better than you.

But his approach of 'hustle' will flop miserably against the top teams and we saw it this season.

I'm not anti-Allegri...but I do believe if he wants to have an extensive career in Milan he has to change his approach a bit. He cannot depend on individuals to bring quality all the time. His playing approach also has to be enterprising.

If you have a talent like Pato, you must use him in the best way possible. He's already paying for it with Pirlo.

What worries me is if he genuinely is blind to the talent these people possess??! If you remember the first leg in the season when we were embarrassed by Juve, we simply let Pirlo play!! Ridiculous! I was so angry then, because it looked to me like Allegri in his arrogance was trying to say that Pirlo was a non-factor so we wouldn't mark him, and yet we paid for it.

I hope he does not make similar mistakes again, because almost universally football is changing into a more attacking mode and like it or not the big man upstairs wants good football and the CL. At the moment our coach is lacking in both.

[X-Offender]

I'm going with the gazzeta link since that is the ony official source. It states the following:

1. Galliani was in Man City
2. Pato's final offer had been thought fit by Milan, but they only needed to see if the player was ready to move. This has for the past few years been the policy. We do it with Sheva, Kaka and now Pato.
3. Pato turned down the offer.
4. Therefore hypothetically we didn't have money to pay City.

The gazzeta article was on January 12. My article which you state as old, was from the BBC and dated 25th January.

Anyway I'm tired of this discussion. You're going to insist your hypothesis is correct, while I will not agree. So leave it.

FWIW, I'm glad Pato is here instead of Tevez.

So, you basically agreed with what I've been saying. Pato was very close to being a PSG player and Tevez was very close to being a Milan player. That's all I needed to know. Thanks.

Are you telling me Pato wanted to go but Berlu didn't let him? BS.

That's what the big man said, otherwise he wouldn't have taken all the credit for canceling the move, when Pato had said on an official note the day before that it was him who turned down PSG's offer. I don't know exactly how things went, but what's evident is that without Berlusconi butting in, Pato would be playing for PSG now.

This post has been edited by X-Offender: May 21 2012, 01:20 PM

[Jack Sparrow]

So, you basically agreed with what I've been saying. Pato was very close to being a PSG player and Tevez was very close to being a Milan player. That's all I needed to know. Thanks.

Hee..let's say it is complicated. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Cassano being injured meant we needed a striker. Tevez throwing a strop meant we had a chance to land a bargain. But to land Tevez meant we needed Pato. But Pato backed out so nothing happened and we didn't want Tevez badly enough for Silvio to fork up money from his own pocket (as he has done for R99, R80, Sheva etc.)

In the end, for me personally, things worked out great. I love Toni Cassano our Mad Genius.

[X-Offender]

Hee..let's say it is complicated. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

But I was fairly correct. I wasn't having a "reality distortion field" or anything. You guys were speaking as if I was making things up. That's not cool.

[Jack Sparrow]

I still disagree with your 99% view. But let's leave it.

For me 99% our player is what happened with us and Suazo (anyone remember him?).

Zlatan in 2006 is more like 80 percent being our player.

This makes this something like 70%.