[acid911]

All 3 can leave next summer.

Doubled. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) They can take Seedorf with them too, if we sign a proper creative player. Apart from Flamini, all of them had their time in the sun, and enjoyed it. Now it's time to shake hands and move on.

I wanted to open it a while ago but I get: "Sorry, you do not have permission to start a topic in this forum"

Yup. "Helpers". (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I think we should have a standard template for player threads, a fixed set of information that should be filled in. Blue and Ash do them regularly, a few others too. You know just a few videos, images, history, stats, etc, so general members can get an idea of the new guy.

[kurtsimonw]

Yup. "Helpers". (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I think we should have a standard template for player threads, a fixed set of information that should be filled in. Blue and Ash do them regularly, a few others too. You know just a few videos, images, history, stats, etc, so general members can get an idea of the new guy.

When I opened the thread it asked for certain information to be filled in about the player. I just figured it'd be put into the opening post or something so didn't bother doing it myself.

[acid911]

When I opened the thread it asked for certain information to be filled in about the player. I just figured it'd be put into the opening post or something so didn't bother doing it myself.

Oh, no problem! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) You most definitely opened it up in a hurry, after the match. I was talking more about the time we open up a player thread once we sign him up, since well all player stuff goes in their respective threads, anyway. While in other forums, people are free to open new threads up on the team players, anytime they feel like.

[TriniKing_CE]

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[Fillipo Simone]

You mean Gattuso.

No, I mean Flamini. I'm not sure either Gattuso or Ambro will leave next summer, but it's irrelevant to me as long as they stay as bench players. On the other hand, if Nocerino continues to do as he did yesterday, there will be no need for the expensive Flamini; I think we could instead go for a cheaper and better DM or even finally introduce Strasser.

[han2503]

No, I mean Flamini. I'm not sure either Gattuso or Ambro will leave next summer, but it's irrelevant to me as long as they stay as bench players. On the other hand, if Nocerino continues to do as he did yesterday, there will be no need for the expensive Flamini; I think we could instead go for a cheaper and better DM or even finally introduce Strasser.

Strasser is more of an anchor type DM. Anyway, if we cut his wages by half then Flamini can stay, he's still a great squad player to have, a hell of a lot better then Rino or Ambro, because if they stay, then they'll play. And that is just not an option anymore.

Next season, if VB continues to play as he is, I only want him + Seedorf and Nesta to renew (should they want to) all are still very useful. Nesta just put in a masterclass performance against Messi FFS. Seedorf again, is still a great squad player to have, while VB is still a top notch DM

Rino and Ambro should definately be shown the exit door. Zambro isn't as critical he's a good squad player, definately better then Bonera.

Next summer we need to clean house of the baggage big time. Especially if we manage to bring in Montolivo, Ganso, etc

[Fillipo Simone]

We'll see. I don't care or want to discuss the departure of the veterans, it is IMO unrelated. But I really think we don't need Flamini anymore. Nocerino played yesterday very good, if he continues like this, he'll surpass Flamini with no problem. Thing is - I'd like Ambro to stay as much as he's up to; he is still our captain.

Rino should obviously leave. But the problem with Flamini is, unlike Ambro, he does not have a special role in the team, nor is he fresh enough to be considered a future starter. I think all in all he's a mistake, and we should move on and try out something different. I see the potential in him, but it appears to me that this is a typical case of player potential and club expectations on collision resulting the player to appear worse then he really is. All we have out of him are a few flashes of good appearances and that's, what, after 3 years with Milan?

It's just like Podolski and Bayern. No, Milan should move on, it's not a money thing, it isn't an age thing either.

[han2503]

We'll see. I don't care or want to discuss the departure of the veterans, it is IMO unrelated. But I really think we don't need Flamini anymore. Nocerino played yesterday very good, if he continues like this, he'll surpass Flamini with no problem. Thing is - I'd like Ambro to stay as much as he's up to; he is still our captain.

Rino should obviously leave. But the problem with Flamini is, unlike Ambro, he does not have a special role in the team, nor is he fresh enough to be considered a future starter. I think all in all he's a mistake, and we should move on and try out something different. I see the potential in him, but it appears to me that this is a typical case of player potential and club expectations on collision resulting the player to appear worse then he really is. All we have out of him are a few flashes of good appearances and that's, what, after 3 years with Milan?

It's just like Podolski and Bayern. No, Milan should move on, it's not a money thing, it isn't an age thing either.

You want Ambro to stay? Have you watched him play lately?

He's on the same level as Rino and I don't care if he's captain, someone else will fill that role. Did you see the difference between him and Nesta yesterday? That is a captain's performance, not Ambro disappearing for the majority of the game and only showing up when he's hacking someone down or making an aweful pass in a dangerous area

[Fillipo Simone]

Yesterday Ambro was dreadful, he almost cost us a goal. But that's not exactly the point - yesterday we played against the best team in the world. I still believe he can do good against teams like Lecce or Pilsen, that's all. I rate him above Rino; he wasn't superb against Lazio, but not that bad either.

We agree that he's old and should be played rarely, but with his role as captain I'd rather we keep him just as an extra, and release Rino and Flamini.

[han2503]

Yesterday Ambro was dreadful, he almost cost us a goal. But that's not exactly the point - yesterday we played against the best team in the world. I still believe he can do good against teams like Lecce or Pilsen, that's all. I rate him above Rino; he wasn't superb against Lazio, but not that bad either.

We agree that he's old and should be played rarely, but with his role as captain I'd rather we keep him just as an extra, and release Rino and Flamini.

Barca or Lecce, I don't really care. He should know better, he's supposed to be an experianced player. And I don't want him on unless it's a Coppa game.He's been bad in pre-season as well.

And you saying you'd rather keep him ahead of Flamini to me is equivelant to Chu saying he want to keep Ambro and Rino ahead of Pirlo

Ambro was never a true captain, and he just doesn't fulfill that role. Someone better will step in next season, what's the point of keeping him as captain when he's never playing anyway?

[CHU-LIP]

Keeping Ambrosini for games vs Lecce is pointless, because A it's better to use a promosing DM for it, and B you probably need 1 DM on the pitch anyway. There's no point in keeping Ambrosini even longer, same goes for Gattuso obviously.

[Fillipo Simone]

Barca or Lecce, I don't really care. He should know better, he's supposed to be an experianced player. And I don't want him on unless it's a Coppa game.He's been bad in pre-season as well.

And you saying you'd rather keep him ahead of Flamini to me is equivelant to Chu saying he want to keep Ambro and Rino ahead of Pirlo

Ambro was never a true captain, and he just doesn't fulfill that role. Someone better will step in next season, what's the point of keeping him as captain when he's never playing anyway?

May it be...but you skip the Flamini part. I'm talking about him, and not Ambro or Rino which you mixed into this discussion. Why would Flamini be of any use? He hasn't got the first team experience, he's never manged to play 3 matches as a starter in a row, he's never managed to maintain a good form trend longer then 2 matches in a row. Why on earth should we stick to Flamini when the signature of Nocerino showed us that we can find a cheap, not-so-much earning, equally good/better and younger, less injury prone, defensive midfielder? What possible explanation would fit?

Now, the bolded part, that's offensive man, don't talk like that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

And one more thing about Ambrosini. You may never accepted him as captain, but try to understand that many Milan fans actually did. I still think he's of use for us in the locker-room. My point is, I don't see any urge to push the veterans out of the team unless they are blocking someone else. The day I realized Rino being played over and over again yet reaching bottom, I accepted that it's for the best for him to leave. Same goes for some other players as well. But players like Pippo, Ambro or Zambrotta, who are hard workers and have experience, but don't present a major handicap for our budget...they are free to leave or stay, I don't mind.

[Fillipo Simone]

Keeping Ambrosini for games vs Lecce is pointless, because A it's better to use a promosing DM for it, and B you probably need 1 DM on the pitch anyway. There's no point in keeping Ambrosini even longer, same goes for Gattuso obviously.

Promising DM? Where's the promising DM?

[CHU-LIP]

Promising DM? Where's the promising DM?

Strasser and Calvano.

[han2503]

May it be...but you skip the Flamini part. I'm talking about him, and not Ambro or Rino which you mixed into this discussion. Why would Flamini be of any use? He hasn't got the first team experience, he's never manged to play 3 matches as a starter in a row, he's never managed to maintain a good form trend longer then 2 matches in a row. Why on earth should we stick to Flamini when the signature of Nocerino showed us that we can find a cheap, not-so-much earning, equally good/better and younger, less injury prone, defensive midfielder? What possible explanation would fit?

Now, the bolded part, that's offensive man, don't talk like that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

And one more thing about Ambrosini. You may never accepted him as captain, but try to understand that many Milan fans actually did. I still think he's of use for us in the locker-room. My point is, I don't see any urge to push the veterans out of the team unless they are blocking someone else. The day I realized Rino being played over and over again yet reaching bottom, I accepted that it's for the best for him to leave. Same goes for some other players as well. But players like Pippo, Ambro or Zambrotta, who are hard workers and have experience, but don't present a major handicap for our budget...they are free to leave or stay, I don't mind.

How is Ambro useful exactly? He's just not anymore, it's plain as day, maybe he doesn't make it obvious as Rino does by tackling Nesta, but the fact that I only notice that he's on the pitch when he's fouling someone says it all. Why keep him? He'll help in the dressing room? If we want someone to help in the dressing room then it would be more feasable to keep Rino then Ambro, at least he motivates the team more then Ambro does.

I never mentioned Zambro as being one who should leave. He still has something to offer, and as a rotation option, not many teams would have that kind of luxury. Aside from that momentary laps when he thought 3 players would actually stop Messi so he took his eye off Pedro, he was perfect last night. That's why I'm ok with him, Seedorf and Nesta staying on. I don't care about their age, they still have something to offer to the team, while Ambro and Rino simply do not.

Also, he's not a financial burden? Check again, he earns more then the majority of our best players. And that is the most ridiculous thing I saw in that wage list next to Rino earning a hefty 4m (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)