[Zed.D]

Robben, Gomez and ICan'tSpellItSteiger.

Lahm was fantastic as usual. it's sad that he missed on 3 trophies just this season thanks to those teammates.


This post has been edited by Zed.D: May 20 2012, 12:20 PM

[Fillipo Simone]

Well, I don't think it's just that easy to say they're chokers and that's it. There's more.

[Zed.D]

Ribery was usually talked about as a big game choker on here, but he was one of their best players in the semi finals and the final. sure, he didn't set the world on fire but never looked like choking either.

[CHU-LIP]

Well, I don't think it's just that easy to say they're chokers and that's it. There's more.

Robben completely ruined his penalty kick, he wanted to blast the ball through the middle. He told himself afterwards, but said he didn't hit the ball properly. To do that at this stage is choking, doubt it's that much of a coincidence it happens now. Spain vs The Netherlands, the most recent World Cup final. Robben could have shoot The Netherlands to World Cup glory, but choked. Last eve his shots all were very bad, just like Gómez, who was an immense choker at a former Europa Cup, some years ago. I thought Gómez may have been over it, but lately and last eve I'd say no.

This post has been edited by CHU-LIP: May 20 2012, 12:24 PM

[Fillipo Simone]

Yeah, by the standards of some, almost everyone can be labeled as choker. Didn't we label Drogba as looser? Wasn't the same said about Lampard? Naah, it's more. It was a very hard match with at least 3 breaking points.

German teams don't loose on penalties maybe, but Chelsea was all set and prepared for them while Bayern already cracked psychologically.

[Fillipo Simone]

Robben completely ruined his penalty kick, he wanted to blast the ball through the middle. He told himself afterwards, but said he didn't hit the ball properly. To do that at this stage is choking, doubt it's that much of a coincidence it happens now. Spain vs The Netherlands, the most recent World Cup final. Robben could have shoot The Netherlands to World Cup glory, but choked. Last eve his shots all were very bad, just like Gómez, who was an immense choker at a former Europa Cup, some years ago. I thought Gómez may have been over it, but lately and last eve I'd say no.

And you think Bayern was opposed by a bunch of winners then? It's more then just a history of failure. Robben missed a crucial penalty against Borussia, why on earth did he shoot the one against Chelsea?

But all in all I don't buy one bit those stories. Robben, Gómez, Drogba, Lampard, Cole, Lahm - are all great players and humans. They have a good day and a bad day. I wouldn't label any of them a "choker", or else almost every player up to day should be also called that way.

[CHU-LIP]

And you think Bayern was opposed by a bunch of winners then? It's more then just a history of failure. Robben missed a crucial penalty against Borussia, why on earth did he shoot the one against Chelsea?

But all in all I don't buy one bit those stories. Robben, Gómez, Drogba, Lampard, Cole, Lahm - are all great players and humans. They have a good day and a bad day. I wouldn't label any of them a "choker", or else almost every player up to day should be also called that way.

Robben also against Dortmund, yes. The amount of examples for Robben are big. He's Bayern main penalty kick taker, but you gotta wonder how smart it is to let him do it in a final, then he ruins it and yet again. For Robben there are enough examples to have him as a clear choker when a final is played. I didn't mention those other players.

[Danny]

Robben and Gómez? They are chokers for life.

Make that 3 then.

[Danny]

Robben also against Dortmund, yes. The amount of examples for Robben are big. He's Bayern main penalty kick taker, but you gotta wonder how smart it is to let him do it in a final, then he ruins it and yet again. For Robben there are enough examples to have him as a clear choker when a final is played. I didn't mention those other players.

There's also the slightly curious and almost arrogant fact that Neuer took one too. Not sure what to make of that.

[Fillipo Simone]

There's also the slightly curious and almost arrogant fact that Neuer took one too. Not sure what to make of that.

I'm pretty sure I know why he did it. He seemed one of the rare Bayern players confident enough to do it, mentally capable. Almost all of the others were mentally broken, something like the 2000 Holland-Italy semi final. You see, Heynckens had not so many options left.

[CHU-LIP]

There's also the slightly curious and almost arrogant fact that Neuer took one too. Not sure what to make of that.

Arrogant how? No one was willing to take a penalty kick, so Neuer stood up and had a great penalty kick.

Is it because he's the goalkeeper it looks arrogant? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

[kurtsimonw]

Probably the best CL final since the Istanbul.

Really? The first 80 minutes and all of extra time except for the penalty was complete boring. I'd say the worst Final since we beat Juve!

I admit he's a better player than I previously gave credit for, much better, but if medal tally is the only thing which matters then Seedorf's Holland's best ever player too.

Cole has an exceptional club medal haul, but suggesting he's the best player England have ever produced might attract some strong rebuttal.

Good luck with that though (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

It's not just his medal haul though is it. Like I said IF he wins something for England has to happen to. Winning a lot as a player, winning something for your country and being the best player in the World at your position for a decade puts you right up there.

Of course you'll get some muppets say he isn't just because they don't like him.

As for Robben. I think he is becoming a choker. That big penalty and the later miss against Dortmund. The penalty last night. the 1-on-1 in the World Cup Final. Not good really is it.

[Danny]

Arrogant how? No one was willing to take a penalty kick, so Neuer stood up and had a great penalty kick.

Is it because he's the goalkeeper it looks arrogant? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

I kind of consider it disrespectful to the opposition. 'We're so much better, even our goalkeeper can score against you'.

[Danny]

Really? The first 80 minutes and all of extra time except for the penalty was complete boring. I'd say the worst Final since we beat Juve!


It's not just his medal haul though is it. Like I said IF he wins something for England has to happen to. Winning a lot as a player, winning something for your country and being the best player in the World at your position for a decade puts you right up there.

Well Seedorf hasn't won anything with the Dutch so that's why I used him as a comparison. I wouldn't say Cole has been the best LB on earth for the past decade (national achievements aside) - Roberto Carlos might argue that one, as might Lizarazu, Lahm or even Evra. But he is among this company - I thought he was absolutely magnificent in the last 3 CL matches he's played.

Of course you'll get some muppets say he isn't just because they don't like him.

I can't blame them. It's not easy to rate a player highly when his personal conduct over the years has been so dubious at best and downright crass and immoral at worst.

[Fillipo Simone]

I kind of consider it disrespectful to the opposition. 'We're so much better, even our goalkeeper can score against you'.

I think you assessment is completely wrong. Bayern wasn't arrogant of foolish, they were frightened as hell. No one was to step up but their captain and keeper. The fact that Olić took the spot kick (who's a terrible penalty shooter) and that Schweini decided to shoot (but couldn't bare watching Robben miss) says it all.