[Jack Bauer]

Kudos to Real, they deserve this title. Were better over the course of this season vs the small teams and finally won the classico game in the league after 4 years. Saw only the first half till hockey started, was a disappointing game overall.

It's for reasons like this why I stick up for Cristiano in particular, not so much because of him but because of the arrogance at times of Barca & Messi followers/fans/supporters. It seems that most Ronaldo fans will give Messi credit where it's due but the people who laud the ground Messi walks on can't stand Ronaldo getting any credit whatsoever, at least if it should interfere in their eyes with Messi's 'greatness'.

Don't agree with this. From what I've seen (not only here, but in other places also) there are enough people from both sides that won't give credit to one of them no matter what. So I wouldn't generalize like that.

[acid911]

Saw only the first half till hockey started, was a disappointing game overall.

It got better towards the end. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) At least after the two quick goals, particularly after the two quick goals.

[Milan Are Brilli...]

Don't agree with this. From what I've seen (not only here, but in other places also) there are enough people from both sides that won't give credit to one of them no matter what. So I wouldn't generalize like that.

If I was talking solely about this place I wouldn't have wrote 'It seems' before I said it. Though certainly from conversation with people online and offline the statement is more true than it's false.

[Jack Bauer]

Well, I have met many Ronaldo fanboys both online and in the real world so my impression is quite different.

[X-Offender]

Credit to Madrid, really. They played the perfect game in a stadium where it's practically impossible to win, especially in the big games. Those who had doubts about Mourinho should really start reconsidering their thoughts. This guy managed to transform Chelsea, Inter and Madrid from jokes to absolute winning machines, albeit with significant financial support. Fantastic coach.

[acid911]

This guy managed to transform Chelsea, Inter and Madrid from jokes to absolute winning machines, albeit with significant financial support. Fantastic coach.

To be honest, there aren't many who can do it otherwise either. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) From 0-5 to winning in Barcelona's stadium, and with it pretty much sealing the league title. Europe will be the final frontier for Jose and this Madrid team, and they are a couple of steps shy from their too. If he wins it with Real Madrid, that'll be history right there and then.

[kurtsimonw]

In 2009/10 Mourinho made an overall profit on transfers with Inter and won everything.

[kurtsimonw]

So, with his win last night, Villa Park becomes the stadium Jose has played at most without a win. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Zed.D]

Please, if you are that against it why on earth would you go out of your way to post a separate image comparing the 2 this morning? I mean I can understand why you did it but then please don't take the high-road at the same time about this debate when you posted a separate image to the Mourinho v Guardiola one directly comparing the 2.

Gee!!! I just saw those images on another forum and thought I would post them here cause they looked cool. THAT against what? as long as Messi and Ronaldo play at this level this debate will exist, I against getting myself into it on here because, let's be frank, you and kurt are as biased as I am. we're just wasting our time.

And my comment was in relation to your previous responses one of which where Kurt mentioned Messi, then you said he was being childish, therefore Messi was in the conversation, previously.

Fair enough, I wasn't even aware I was getting myself into this debate by posting that. if I knew, I would have keot my mouth shut!

You did vaguely, though you quickly bought all the credit down too, with the aforementioned reasons pointed out in my previous post.

To be honest, I don't think Ronaldo set the world on fire last night. outside of his coolly taken goal I don't think he did particularly better than Messi. but in the end it's the goal what people see. no one sees Messi otherworldly through pass to Xavi in the 26th minute, his countless runs, being fouled a dozen times, etc. if he doesn't score goals, he has "done nothing" and has choked. just because he didn't score a goal from open play against us, he "choked", people don't want to remember the rest (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

You misunderstood, I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here. You said after the Bayern game what separates Messi & Ronaldo is Messi being able to do it in the big games, after pointing out his 'failure' in the Bayern game. Thus I got back to you on this with my previous post, then you made me aware that you actually meant on a consistent basis, even though you yourself had pointed out 'big games' CR has turned up in too.

For one last time, what I mean to say is that Messi does it more in those 5% (or whatever % that is, I haven't actually calculated it). if there's 10 big games each season, I'd bet on Messi to perform well in more of them, but I'd never bet on him having a 100% record in those 10 games. I wouldn't bet on Ronaldo to have just a 5% record in those 10 games, either. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say...

It's kind of why throughout the game, aside of the Alves disgusting play I tried to really, really not offend anyone on here about saying too much negative about Barca, for exact reasons like this.

Just out of curiosity, did Ronaldo's constant play-acting and time-wasting after his goal bother you?

[kurtsimonw]

Just out of curiosity, did Ronaldo's constant play-acting and time-wasting after his goal bother you?

I didn't even notice it. Only time I noticed any time-wasting was when Ozil was taking a corner and he got wrongly yellow carded for it.

At least Madrid tried to get it int forward areas with the lead. Rather than the cheap Barca tactic of playing it around the defense. Beautiful football my ***. Guardiola got it awfully wrong last night and it just shows to me he is not a great coach ny any means.

Anyways, Madrid need 6 points to take the title.

[acid911]

Wait, let me get this right. People term the shtick Barcelona pull of beautiful football? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) That ping-pong of a style is incredibly soring for the eye, monotonous, and dare I say it, terribly sleep inducing. It's mechanical, and yes, it may win silverware if done correctly, but this is not how I imagine a game of football to be.

[kurtsimonw]

Depends on what the individual likes, but yes, it's very dull to me.

[Milan Are Brilli...]

Gee!!! I just saw those images on another forum and thought I would post them here cause they looked cool. THAT against what? as long as Messi and Ronaldo play at this level this debate will exist, I against getting myself into it on here because, let's be frank, you and kurt are as biased as I am. we're just wasting our time.

Nope, I said I can see why you posted it but you surely wouldn't have if you were that against the debate, just seemed somewhat odd to me but whatever.

To be honest, I don't think Ronaldo set the world on fire last night. outside of his coolly taken goal I don't think he did particularly better than Messi. but in the end it's the goal what people see. no one sees Messi otherworldly through pass to Xavi in the 26th minute, his countless runs, being fouled a dozen times, etc. if he doesn't score goals, he has "done nothing" and has choked. just because he didn't score a goal from open play against us, he "choked", people don't want to remember the rest (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Really, really?. I could say the exact same to you about Ronaldo last week when he actually made a goal happen and you said he didn't do it on the big occasion (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) In fact I could say this almost every time because most people talk about Ronaldo's goal-tally in the 'big occasions' as oppose to anything else.

This is no detrement to Messi but when he's on the ball he had about 2/3 options on, whereas CR had to beat about 2/3 guys each time before being able to pass. The difference with Real is you can nulify Ronaldo to an extent because he's their real gamechanger however if you try and put too much emphasis on keeping Messi quiet you run the risk of leaving other guys wide open.

This isn't anything against Messi, it's just an observation that has been particularly evident over the past 18 months and was again last night. Therefore Ronaldo often has to beat people and at times when he fails at this people will label him selfish etc. In fact aside of a wild shot from the edge of the area in the first half he was far more of a team player than Benzema, Di Maria etc last night.

I'm not saying Messi doesn't have the ability to beat people, obviously he does and he's great at it but he also has an easier option on more often than not and that's what is so great about Barca, not what they do on the ball but what they do off it.

Just out of curiosity, did Ronaldo's constant play-acting and time-wasting after his goal bother you?

You mean when Mascherano fouled him? Or when Alves put his studs into Ronaldo's side? In fact CR after the Mascherano tackle he indicated that he was alright but the referee told the physio to come on. So, unless I'm missing something here?

[Danny]

Ah, Messi v Ronaldo. I think they should be placed in a ring and be done with it.

Interesting match last night, naturally I was rooting for Real but I was surprised with the general lack of cutting edge from Barca. Real defended tremendously, and neither both Messi and Ron played well, but Ron's contribution was more significant - he was my motm and took his goal superbly. Even the commentators suggested his performance and goal may even up the balance of those who consider Messi the world's best.

[X-Offender]

Wait, let me get this right. People term the shtick Barcelona pull of beautiful football? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) That ping-pong of a style is incredibly soring for the eye, monotonous, and dare I say it, terribly sleep inducing. It's mechanical, and yes, it may win silverware if done correctly, but this is not how I imagine a game of football to be.

You truly are the most anti-Barça user on this forum. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)