[Tennie]

It was a penalty.

[Giancarlo]

It was a penalty.

True. But I did hear he did a few good things in that game...

Not only that, it could be a confidence booster too..

This post has been edited by Giancarlo: Sep 7 2008, 03:29 AM

[acid911]

Well, Carlo ain't no class. calling Sheva a traitor, giving Juve fans the finger, etc. but he is professional. I'm sure he will get along with Sheva...

I'd be very surprised if he didn't. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) The two had their fair share of arguments in the past, but got along. I think they will too now.

I think it's more about Carlo and how the players' respect for him isn't what it used to be in the past.

Pinpoint accuracy right there and then, Han. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Carlo's had his fair share of trouble, and that could be a very possible reason. Respect. But since it's a family sort of thingy at Milan, they never let this get out of hand. Which is good.

just stating facts!

Considerably. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) But at least he had something good to say after all those years.

[han2503]

@ Giancarlo, Sheva never had any problem with his NT during these 2 years, he got a 1 goal per 2 game ratio for his country during his spell at Chelsea which imo is pretty good for any striker. It's his club form that dipped radically after his move, which imo is a sign of numerous reasons why he failed at Chelsea and being a washed up former star player is not one of them

[Zed.D]

Sheva did score that one goal winner for Ukraine... I hear he was like a 70th minute substitute. He came on and had an immediate effect...

While I agree with han about Sheva, it was just a penalty. no big deal. did he earn that penalty?

[Milan Are Brilli...]

Ah if Pato scored a winning penalty no doubt we would be hearing how he single handedly won it for Brazil (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

[acid911]

Ah if Pato scored a winning penalty no doubt we would be hearing how he single handedly won it for Brazil

Sad, but true. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) No offense to anyone, but that's just how things work in this world.

[han2503]

Ah if Pato scored a winning penalty no doubt we would be hearing how he single handedly won it for Brazil (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

As acid said, it's sad, but very true.

Football fans are as fickle as they come, and until Sheva scores a ridiculous ammount of goals everyone will say that he's washed up and not good enough anymore mostly because he 'betrayed' us. But as soon as he scores those goals again he'll be a hero again.

This post has been edited by han2503: Sep 7 2008, 02:26 PM

[Zed.D]

I would never say that because I don't really get excited when my favorite players score on penalties.

I was probably the only one here who felt kind of embarrassed when Kaka scored penalty after penalty at the start of last season and couldn't convert during open play. my posts are in the archives, if you want.

Please stop this blah blah... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

[han2503]

I would never say that because I don't really get excited when my favorite players score on penalties.

I was probably the only one here who felt kind of embarrassed when Kaka scored penalty after penalty at the start of last season and couldn't convert during open play. my posts are in the archives, if you want.

Please stop this blah blah... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

We say the word Pato, zd shows up (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

It's not about just the penalty, it's about the fact that any other player on our team could have converted a last gasp penalty to win the 3 points fot their country and even though it would still be a penalty everyone would be happy to see one of our players score a winning goal (no matter how it came), it's just because it's Sheva some don't look at it as important because it's a penalty whereas if it were any other player they would be happy.

Pato is being used as an example because he's still the kid with the massive ammount of potential to be our next Kaka, not only that, he's new and he can't do no wrong in anyone's eyes (that is including me, because I love the kid and can;t wait to see what he goes on to become in the future)

What I think Kaka Is Brilliant is trying to say is that some on here should lay off on Sheva, just because he made the mistake he did in the past

This post has been edited by han2503: Sep 7 2008, 02:57 PM

[Tennie]

I think Brill's request is a fair one and I'm trying to be fair to the guy.

Whatever the sins of his past, he's a Milan player this season and he should be supported.

Caveat: I'll admit that I've never been a particular fan of his, even when he was at Milan the first time round. (I'm old. To me, nobody's come close to what Van Basten was for Milan. Not Sheva and not Kaka). That said, I'd be thrilled to see him coming back to something approximating his previous form.

[Zed.D]

I didn't say I was unhappy with Sheva's goal. what I meant was that a penalty goal doesn't mean he's back to old form and I still stand by my word. Ronaldinho in his worst day not just converted his penalties, but most of his FKs. so what? he still was labeled crap by some people. Sheva has always taken his penalties well, and scoring this one doesn't tell anything about his form.

And Pato is being used as an example because someone here happens to dislike him. I think it's clear what the venerable mod meant by that post and at whom it was aimed. and your posts just worsened it for me!

Now let's forget it.

This post has been edited by zdrossoneri: Sep 7 2008, 03:09 PM

[Giancarlo]

I've heard he did well for his team when he went on in the 74th minute... lets face it... that's only 15 minutes to make an impact. They were mainly relying on former liverpool striker Voronin...

[Milan Are Brilli...]

And Pato is being used as an example because someone here happens to dislike him. I think it's clear what the venerable mod meant by that post and at whom it was aimed. and your posts just worsened it for me!

Now let's forget it.

It was said in jest more than anything I'm surprised there were actually a few people who agreed with it...

As for me not liking Pato, I think he's overrated currently, yes. I don't know why we felt all our attacking problems were over when we got him. He probably will become good I don't deny that and if he does I'll be happy to eat my words.

You like him, just like I like Sheva and will defend him yes? That's good, I'm not here to change opinions it would be the world's most boring forum if someone made a point then everyone said, 'yep agreed' don't you think?!

I mean it's easy for me to just say to everything ah who cares you don't like Sheva so what's the point of listening to your opinion. That seems to be how your portraying my opinions of Pato, so I doubt him currently that doesn't mean my point of view is worthless?...

You don't like Sheva currently, I'm not the biggest fan of Pato currently. I think it's slightly unfair to slate someone for doing the exact same thing you are just on another player personally.

[Zed.D]

Just two things:

1- You say 'Pato is currently overrated' but 'will probably become good'. excuse me? does he have to pull a 1999/2000 Shevchenko at the of 19 to convince you he has promise? it'd have been alright with me if you just said he's not world class yet, because that's true. but I think it's utter harshness to say he's overrated i.e. he's not ahead of his age; because he's been very good for an 18yo. you can not name a similar player who at the age of 17 moved to one of Europe's biggest clubs and scored one goal in every two games (and that's not all he did). I don't know... maybe you have not seen enough of him (including his Inter days) but I guess I have to get along with the fact that there's one or two members on this board who don't rate him. it's easy to bash him now and it's easier to take the criticism back if someday he proved you wrong. it's alright with me, but I hope you don't claim yourself a fan if he did turn out world class in the future nor celebrate when he scored goals for us.

2- Where'd you get the idea that I don't like Sheva? you're completely wrong.