[Giancarlo]

It doens't matter who's a liar and who's a traitor....they're both crap. It's a symbiotic relationship where the only losers are us the fans. Zambrotta opportunistically left Juve to go to the "it" side at the time. It would be loke Kaka leaving us to go to ManU. Zambrotta's declining pace was exposed in La Liga and did not match Barca's tempo......his good performances- the most notable being shackling CR7 were few and I would like to remind all that it was his losing the ball that Assisted Scholes to score the goal that knocked them out in the forst place.....Like Gila I fear that Zambrotta can only flourish now (NOT THE ZAMBROTTA OF OLD) in a controlled environment.

Wow. How are the crap? Please tell me. I'd like to hear it. Zambrotta is not declining and the La Liga never suited him well. He never adapted to the style of play. It's no accident he's already settling into the team quite well. Zambrotta would get back to his old self in the Serie A.

I'm hoping that the Milan lab could help him regain his speed but given our recent faux pas with Kaka and the other Brazilians...I'm not holding my breath

Sheva doesn't need to have a ton of pace in the Serie A, because the Serie A does not RELY on pace. And this is all you do... complain, complain and complain.

We are now bringing these damaged goods to Milan.....are we supposed to be happy about it?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
$h!tchel$ki seems to have lost his confidence. His shot selection is poor as is his accuracy. When strikers lose their confidence the ability to beat their man becomes diminished....something similar has happened to Rooney of late as well.

How are any of these damaged goods? This is a view not many share. You're just angry because the players you wanted were not acquired. At Chelsea, Sheva wasn't ever given good service. He didn't fit in their bloody formation.

[Tennie]

Gosh. Lots of bickering today. Here I thought people would be interested in Billy's comment.

[CrazyMilanFan]

I like how a 26 year old Borriello is considered young. This guy has wasted half of his career doing absoloutely nothing.

well u knwo here again the luca toni theory applies that some players develop late

[drucurl]

Wow. How are the crap? Please tell me. I'd like to hear it. Zambrotta is not declining and the La Liga never suited him well. He never adapted to the style of play. It's no accident he's already settling into the team quite well. Zambrotta would get back to his old self in the Serie A.

Explain how he could get back to his old self when his old self was two years ago @ Juve when he was younger (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Having crosses 30 sometime now and never having been an explosive player pace-wise (unlike Cafu who when we brought him in STILL had TONS of pace), the signs of him suddenly turning into Usain Bolt are worryingly small

Sheva doesn't need to have a ton of pace in the Serie A, because the Serie A does not RELY on pace. And this is all you do... complain, complain and complain.

We don't only play in Italy we are playing in Europe too and hopefully next year in the CL....having bought so many players with $heva included, what are the odds we'll buy a WC striker next year?

How are any of these damaged goods? This is a view not many share. You're just angry because the players you wanted were not acquired. At Chelsea, Sheva wasn't ever given good service. He didn't fit in their bloody formation.

They're damaged because they BOTH show a marked decline in pace, strenght and in Zambrotta's case he has made some high profile errors....not what you want to see from a defensive player.....Your reasoning about $heva not fitting in our formation tells me at least two things:
1) He wasn't that good to start with.
2) Gila and Olivera were setting the world on fire pre-Milan.....how come you don't defend their lack of performance similarly??

This post has been edited by drucurl: Aug 27 2008, 06:43 PM

[Giancarlo]

Explain how he could get back to his old self when his old self was two years ago @ Juve when he was younger (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Having crosses 30 sometime now and never having been an explosive player pace-wise (unlike Cafu who when we brought him in STILL had TONS of pace), the signs of him suddenly turning into Usain Bolt are worryingly small

He'll get back to what he needs to, and he has what it takes. He is already adjusting to our team and has proven that with recent performances. You just have now turned against him, because I like him and wanted him signed for Milan. You have a serious vendetta.

We don't only play in Italy we are playing in Europe too and hopefully next year in the CL....having bought so many players with $heva included, what are the odds we'll buy a WC striker next year?

We play our own style, and that contrasts against other teams. Teams won't change their style even if they play teams of other leagues. We have the players we need.

They're damaged because they BOTH show a marked decline in pace, strenght and in Zambrotta's case he has made some high profile errors....not what you want to see from a defensive player.....Your reasoning about $heva not fitting in our formation tells me at least two things:
1) He wasn't that good to start with.
2) Gila and Olivera were setting the world on fire pre-Milan.....how come you don't defend their lack of performance similarly??

No wrong. They are not damaged and can easily come back to original form. Zambrotta made some high profile errors in Barcelona because HE NEVER FIT in Barcelona or the La Liga for that matter. I'm sure he'll be perfect for Milan because of the way our team plays. Sheva is a great player, and you're just wrong on that in my opinion. He just did NOT fit in the way chelsea plays. That's just simply how it is.

Gila and Oliveira? I criticized them. But then again you're the one who wanted RAFAEL SOBIS, another Oliveira, to play at Milan.

Do us all a favor. Stop complaining all the time and stop personally attacking other people on here for having different opinions than your own.

It's hypocritical. You even have a picture in your avatar of a washed up striker that came to us when he was like 30 years old... and you have the audacity to criticize me? On what basis?

This post has been edited by Giancarlo: Aug 27 2008, 06:48 PM

[kurtsimonw]

Gosh. Lots of bickering today. Here I thought people would be interested in Billy's comment.

Thankyou for them. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I'm personally just annoyed at yet another poor co-ownership deal, that's put a spoiler on the day! It isn't my money, but it still is annoying to see the club throwing it away.

[han2503]

Gosh. Lots of bickering today. Here I thought people would be interested in Billy's comment.

This is all your fault for bringing up that comment yesterday (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[Tennie]

This is all your fault for bringing up that comment yesterday (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/begging.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/begging.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/begging.gif) No cookie for me?

[drucurl]

He'll get back to what he needs to, and he has what it takes. He is already adjusting to our team and has proven that with recent performances. You just have now turned against him, because I like him and wanted him signed for Milan. You have a serious vendetta.

All you say is these empty vacuuous inane things like "he will fit in", "he suits our style" and "he's right for us". All I am saying is that it's more effective for a modern fullback to be fast...especially one that is relied on soely for width creation. A team like ManU could get away with them (hence the G.Neville) because they have fast wingers. Milan has slow build up play in the middle so creation of width comes from the fullbacks. I don't have anything personal for Alves but player for player he's more of an asset than Zambrotta at the moment due to his speed and greater contribution to attacking wide play.

No wrong. They are not damaged and can easily come back to original form. Zambrotta made some high profile errors in Barcelona because HE NEVER FIT in Barcelona or the La Liga for that matter. I'm sure he'll be perfect for Milan because of the way our team plays. Sheva is a great player, and you're just wrong on that in my opinion. He just did NOT fit in the way chelsea plays. That's just simply how it is.

lolzzz Zambrotta made HIGH PROFILE errors @ Barca because he didn't fit in?? What kind of reasoning is that? If he didn't shine at Barca because he didn't fit in that's fine and understandable. But you're in effect saying that he slipped Scholes in that delightful through ball because he didn't fit in @ Barca lol!!Did he not also fit in at the Euros too??? His mistakes are called "blunders". They can happen anywhere and anytime...however increased frequency of these implies that there is a deeper problem.....I'll leave you to figure out what that was (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Gila and Oliveira? I criticized them. But then again you're the one who wanted RAFAEL SOBIS, another Oliveira, to play at Milan.

Milan ACTUALLY BOUGHT Olivera AND Gila.....THEN found out they were crap- not my fault
Milan TRIED to buy Rafael Sobis but got edged out by Betis- also not my fault
Sobis scored more than Pato with FAR less minutes- again no fault of the dru
YOU ARE predicting Sobis will fail here and are using this prediction based on opinion to argue with me......YET you throw a fit when I predict Alves would excell at Milan.....well that's not fair is it? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Do us all a favor. Stop complaining all the time and stop personally attacking other people on here for having different opinions than your own.

may the fishdoll promptly ban me if I have personally attacked anyone personally

It's hypocritical. You even have a picture in your avatar of a washed up striker that came to us when he was like 30 years old... and you have the audacity to criticize me? On what basis?

lol well at least MY washed up striker scored/assisted when he played ...for any team in any league and for country...Oh and he arrived here at an age nearly two years younger than $h!tchel$ki, having won the golden boot in MULTIPLE EUROPEAN LEAGUES. I understand that because he is thrown out like garbage (a la Crespo) you think this decision is 100% right (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

[Giancarlo]

All you say is these empty vacuuous inane things like "he will fit in", "he suits our style" and "he's right for us". All I am saying is that it's more effective for a modern fullback to be fast...especially one that is relied on soely for width creation. A team like ManU could get away with them (hence the G.Neville) because they have fast wingers. Milan has slow build up play in the middle so creation of width comes from the fullbacks. I don't have anything personal for Alves but player for player he's more of an asset than Zambrotta at the moment due to his speed and greater contribution to attacking wide play.

I say these things? He's already doing so. And he's playing quite well in friendly games. That's a fact. You simply will not accept the facts here because I like the player. You do not like him because of that reason. You have tihs vendetta that will never end. I'm personally sick and tired of it. For one, Zambrotta was never comfortable at Barcelona. He will be more comfortable playing at Milan. Alves is useless... Zambrotta is the better player for Milan. Due to his greater contribution to attacking wide play? You can't back that up. Alves was at best poor against Wisla.

lolzzz Zambrotta made HIGH PROFILE errors @ Barca because he didn't fit in?? What kind of reasoning is that? If he didn't shine at Barca because he didn't fit in that's fine and understandable. But you're in effect saying that he slipped Scholes in that delightful through ball because he didn't fit in @ Barca lol!!Did he not also fit in at the Euros too??? His mistakes are called "blunders". They can happen anywhere and anytime...however increased frequency of these implies that there is a deeper problem.....I'll leave you to figure out what that was (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

THIS is absolutely wrong, in my opinion. Zambrotta made high profile errors because he never fit into the way Barcelona played. He was in poor form at Barcelona because of that reason. If you can't connect the two together there is no need to discuss this with you. You're just angry and upset because someone holds a different opinion than you do. You're just angry and upset I hold a different opinion. He doesn't make many blunders.

Milan ACTUALLY BOUGHT Olivera AND Gila.....THEN found out they were crap- not my fault
Milan TRIED to buy Rafael Sobis but got edged out by Betis- also not my fault
Sobis scored more than Pato with FAR less minutes- again no fault of the dru
YOU ARE predicting Sobis will fail here and are using this prediction based on opinion to argue with me......YET you throw a fit when I predict Alves would excell at Milan.....well that's not fair is it? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

I don't care what you think. Rafael Sobis is crap like Oliveira and Gilardino. You can't prove anything about Sobis. Alexandre Pato has played half of a season in one of the most defensive leagues in the world. Sobis would flop just like Oliveira because the two are a lot like. I go by similarities. Sobis is playing in a second rate team, just as Sobis did... and they are similar. I think that Alves would bomb in Milan... you're the one putting up a fit. You're angry and upset that I post my opinions.

lol well at least MY washed up striker scored/assisted when he played ...for any team in any league and for country...Oh and he arrived here at an age nearly two years younger than $h!tchel$ki, having won the golden boot in MULTIPLE EUROPEAN LEAGUES. I understand that because he is thrown out like garbage (a la Crespo) you think this decision is 100% right (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

He was done for. He was totally washed up. Shevchenko is far better than he is. Ronaldo's done because he's done for! He lost himself to poor diet and poor discipline! You keep looking at the past, yet you cannot look at the future.

Hypocritical I think. Then you have the audacity to attack Sheva by calling him stupid names.. you have no effect here. You're just incredibly negative and you have offered nothing constructive. Not only that it is also my observation, that you COMPLETELY REFUSE to listen to the facts.

This post has been edited by Giancarlo: Aug 27 2008, 07:54 PM

[Tennie]

Guys, please at least keep the bickering on-topic. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Giancarlo]

Don't worry, I'm pretty much done arguing with this guy. He's perhaps the most negative I've encountered and I don't think he has the best intentions for Milan. I swear, if some on these forums had their way we'd be a lower table team and maybe even relegated to the Serie B. Then our team would go the way same as Leeds.

This post has been edited by Giancarlo: Aug 27 2008, 08:04 PM

[drucurl]

I say these things? He's already doing so. And he's playing quite well in friendly games. That's a fact. You simply will not accept the facts here because I like the player. You do not like him because of that reason. You have tihs vendetta that will never end. I'm personally sick and tired of it. For one, Zambrotta was never comfortable at Barcelona. He will be more comfortable playing at Milan. Alves is useless... Zambrotta is the better player for Milan. Due to his greater contribution to attacking wide play? You can't back that up. Alves was at best poor against Wisla.

lol I have nothing against you. YOU continue to accuse me of attacking you personally and still can't come up with a single quote (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Alves as far as I understand and as far as goal.com ratings go was decent. Either way Barca already won. To use a meaningless game to judge a player is beyond pathetic....wait......you've already done that by saying Zambrotta fits in well @ Milan despite the poor crossing AND the fact that we LOST almost all of our preseason games

I don't care what you think. Rafael Sobis is crap like Oliveira and Gilardino. You can't prove anything about Sobis. Alexandre Pato has played half of a season in one of the most defensive leagues in the world. Sobis would flop just like Oliveira because the two are a lot like. I go by similarities. Sobis is playing in a second rate team, just as Sobis did... and they are similar. I think that Alves would bomb in Milan... you're the one putting up a fit. You're angry and upset that I post my opinions.

All I can prove is that he scored more with waay less minutes. I don't think he's better than Pato but he can't be that bad could he?

He was done for. He was totally washed up. Shevchenko is far better than he is. Ronaldo's done because he's done for! He lost himself to poor diet and poor discipline! You keep looking at the past, yet you cannot look at the future. Hypocritical I think. Then you have the audacity to attack Sheva by calling him stupid names.. you have no effect here. You're just incredibly negative and you have offered nothing constructive. Not only that it is also my observation, that you COMPLETELY REFUSE to listen to the facts.

I really appreciate your logic (see bold)...so by your reasoning....$heva's great because he's great??? By chance did you write the matrix trilogy script?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

[Giancarlo]

lol I have nothing against you. YOU continue to accuse me of attacking you personally and still can't come up with a single quote (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Alves as far as I understand and as far as goal.com ratings go was decent. Either way Barca already won. To use a meaningless game to judge a player is beyond pathetic....wait......you've already done that by saying Zambrotta fits in well @ Milan despite the poor crossing AND the fact that we LOST almost all of our preseason games

I'm going to keep going after you because I feel you're completely wrong. He was terrible on that return leg of Wisla. Totally absent from what I heard. Besides that, this was not exactly a meaningless game. By the way, Zambrotta is fitting in much better. and we didn't lose most of our preseason games. You live in an obvious fantasy. Who cares about Gijon in the first place? There was much more to take from those games, and the fact was we were missing most of our players.

Zambrotta was also playing really well towards the end of the pre-season. That's a fact.

All I can prove is that he scored more with waay less minutes. I don't think he's better than Pato but he can't be that bad could he?

You didn't prove anything, nor does that matter. You still can't take into account the Serie A is more defensive meaning he'll probably flop here. Pato is miles better than him.

I really appreciate your logic (see bold)...so by your reasoning....$heva's great because he's great??? By chance did you write the matrix trilogy script?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I gave you my reasons shortly after why. If you can't address the facts don't bother responding to what I'm posting.

This post has been edited by Giancarlo: Aug 27 2008, 08:34 PM

[drucurl]

I'm going to keep going after you because I feel you're completely wrong.

Now we know who's taking it personally (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

He was terrible on that return leg of Wisla. Totally absent from what I heard. Besides that, this was not exactly a meaningless game.

So you REALY think Wisla had a chance of erasing a 4-0 deficit vs Barca....please elaborate oh this (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

By the way, Zambrotta is fitting in much better. and we didn't lose most of our preseason games. You live in an obvious fantasy. Who cares about Gijon in the first place? There was much more to take from those games, and the fact was we were missing most of our players.

Do you even read what you write? We lost 5-0 to Chel$ki, 1-0 to Man City and 2-0 to Gijon. Who else did we play other than Cremose for more than 45 minutes? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Zambrotta was also playing really well towards the end of the pre-season. That's a fact.

Oh now you put it that way I guess there's no argument is there?

You didn't prove anything, nor does that matter. You still can't take into account the Serie A is more defensive meaning he'll probably flop here. Pato is miles better than him.

Even Dunga noticed how well he played in tight spaces. They're not the same type of player I think they'll complement each other Congrats on the use of the word 'probably' your posts are approaching some semblance of balance (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)