[Tennie]

Gonna agree to disagree with you on this one, Kurt. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Don't see much point in continuing to debate the issue though; doesn't seem folks are going to change their minds and, well, both Shevchenko and Zambrotta are Milan players now. It's time to support the team, even those players we may not especially like.

[Jack Sparrow]

I suppose through the eyes of a Juve fan, in a twisted way it makes sense. But does the Juve fan think, Zambrotta would have turned down Juve if they had come calling? What is he supposed to do, if he wants to come to Italy. The list of clubs that want him, don't include Juve...and the second best club (probably the last of his career) is a top club?? Stay on in Barca? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Sheva was lucky we came calling....

[dst]

Hmm. I don't even see Sheva as a traitor at all, mainly because he never went to a rival. Figo, yes he is a traitor for what he did. Zambrotta, ultimately, yes, he's a traitor. Saying you'll stay with Juve and ending up at Milan is.. not good.

Sheeva is a liar and a *****... and she maried a witch!

[kurtsimonw]

Sheva = Liar.
Zambrotta = Liar and Traitor.
Figo = Traitor.

That's it for me. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[acid911]

Sheeva is a liar and a *****... and she maried a witch!

You mean he, right? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Oh, my!

[Jack Sparrow]

Nope for dst, Sheva is a girl coz he came back, too afraid to stick it out in Chelsea. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

[dst]

Sheeva is a liar and a *****... and she maried a witch!

For anyone that wonders, ***** rhymes with witch...

Sheva = Liar.
Zambrotta = Liar and Traitor.
Figo = Traitor.

That's it for me. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Sheva is the same as Zambrotta... at least Zambro left the ship when it had already sunk not when it seemed it would sink...
Figo is a wh***...

You mean he, right? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Oh, my!

What Jack said!

Nope for dst, Sheva is a girl coz he came back, too afraid to stick it out in Chelsea. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

Captain knows his crew! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[kurtsimonw]

Sheva is the same as Zambrotta... at least Zambro left the ship when it had already sunk not when it seemed it would sink...
Figo is a wh***...

Hmm, I dunno.

for me:
Traitor = Going to a rival club.
Liar = Saying you'll stay, then leaving.

Figo did the former, Sheva did the latter, Zambro did both. He didn't directly go to Milan, but the fact is that he's a Milan player. It would have been like Sheva going from Chelsea to Inter, we's have hated him even more.

[Milan Are Brilli...]

for me:
Traitor = Going to a rival club.
Liar = Saying you'll stay, then leaving.

Exactly, for some on here:
Traitor = Leaving Milan (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[dst]

Hmm, I dunno.

for me:
Traitor = Going to a rival club.
Liar = Saying you'll stay, then leaving.

Figo did the former, Sheva did the latter, Zambro did both. He didn't directly go to Milan, but the fact is that he's a Milan player. It would have been like Sheva going from Chelsea to Inter, we's have hated him even more.

Okay, I agree, it's not the same.

[Tennie]

Exactly, for some on here:
Traitor = Leaving Milan (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Not me. My issue with him was lying about it before he left. Of course, his leaving just as Calciopoli was breaking didn't exactly help matters but it is what it is.

He's a Milan player now and even if I may not like him, I will support him while he's playign for the team.

[drucurl]

It doens't matter who's a liar and who's a traitor....they're both crap. It's a symbiotic relationship where the only losers are us the fans. Zambrotta opportunistically left Juve to go to the "it" side at the time. It would be loke Kaka leaving us to go to ManU. Zambrotta's declining pace was exposed in La Liga and did not match Barca's tempo......his good performances- the most notable being shackling CR7 were few and I would like to remind all that it was his losing the ball that Assisted Scholes to score the goal that knocked them out in the forst place.....Like Gila I fear that Zambrotta can only flourish now (NOT THE ZAMBROTTA OF OLD) in a controlled environment.

The same goes for $heva. Unlike Pippo, $heva ISN'T a classical opportunist and doesn't increase his tally via 'scraps'. He isn't strong enough to fight with the likes of the Ferdinands/Campbells or Vidics. He needs the ball at his feet to make things happen....but with Lampard, Ballack, Essien and Drogba hogging the ball and all taking many shots he becomes starved for opportunities. $heva ruined his own speed by putting on too much muscle mass (overtraining) - a FACT that Marcel Desailly alluded to. Can't say that I blame him because Mourinho didn't like him anyway so I guess he might have trained extra to get the nod. I'm hoping that the Milan lab could help him regain his speed but given our recent faux pas with Kaka and the other Brazilians...I'm not holding my breath

We are now bringing these damaged goods to Milan.....are we supposed to be happy about it?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
$h!tchel$ki seems to have lost his confidence. His shot selection is poor as is his accuracy. When strikers lose their confidence the ability to beat their man becomes diminished....something similar has happened to Rooney of late as well.

[Tennie]

(this is the Sky version of the article; the Gazzetta version has the same quotes and is almost identical)

"Sheva? Non lo avrei ripreso al Milan. Ci sono due giovani importanti come Pato e Borriello e lui potrebbe creare delle turbative. Penso proprio che non lo avrei ripreso". Alessandro Costacurta, ex giocatore del Milan e ultimo acquisto della squadra di SKY Sport, commenta con sincerità il ritorno di Andriy Shevchenko in rossonero. Costacurta commenterà i match della serie A, con qualche puntata anche in Champions League per SKY. "Sono una persona curiosa ed ho deciso di voltare pagina. Mi si è aperta questa opportunità ed ho deciso di rimandare per un po' il mestiere di allenatore. Vedendo poi come si trovano bene Vialli e gli altri commentatori, mi è venuta voglia di provare."

["Sheva? I wouldn't have brought him back to Milan. There are two important young players in Pato and Borriello and he could create upset (in the dressingroom). I think I wouldn't have brought him back." Alessandro Costacurta, ex Milan player and most recent addition to the Sky Sport team, comments sincerely on the return of Andriy Shevcheno. Costacurta will comment on Serie A matches and on some CL matches for Sky. "I'm an odd person and I decided to change direction. This opportunity was open to me and I decided to put off being a coach for a while. Seeing how well Vialli and the other commentators were doing, I decided to give it a try."]

link to Sky article.

link to Gazzetta article.

[kurtsimonw]

I like how a 26 year old Borriello is considered young. This guy has wasted half of his career doing absoloutely nothing.

[Giancarlo]

There is not one single fact that suggests Alves would not do well in Serie A or the EPL.

I simply don't think he's the kind of player we can use.

I think the one thing that annoys me is that Zambrotta was good in one league and terrible in another, but he's still considered a good player. But Alves is good in one league and bad in another (Which is just an assumption, may I add) and he's considered over-rated.

It is my opinion that he's overrated. That's simply my own opinion and what I think of the guy. I don't like him and I would think there are other players.

You also said in previous posts that Ronaldinho will be a good signing for us, on what basis? Oliviera, Jose Mari, Javi Moreno didn't transition well from Spain to Milan, so there is no reason Ronaldinho will either. To say Alves wouldn't do well over here, but Ronaldinho will is very hypocritical, there are no facts to suggest either will do well in Serie A, or that they will do badly either.

No, this is not right.. Why? Ronaldinho is a world class player, and Oliveira never was. Ronaldinho will have no problem adapting to the Serie A.

Anyways, to keep this post remotely on topic. I've not heard anybody really complain about the Zambrotta transfer, other than us over-paying for me, but with Sheva returning and taking the traitor label not many have mentioned that this guy is twice as bad as Sheva. Leaving your club in an okay position is one thing, saying you'll stay, then leaving your club in Serie B is another..

We didn't overpay for Zambrotta...