[X-Offender]

A very, very bad joke.

[rip]

i am gonna throw a party the day Seedorf retires (IMG:style_emoticons/default/96.gif) .

He was a great player is his days, no doubt. but you should know how to leave with your dignity intact.

[Locke Lamora]

LOL, Milan lose= me having a good time?

Since when? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)



I like mourinho as a coach and I respect him; but i'm a milanfan first. Watching milan lose does not bring any enjoyment at all to me no matter who we play against. Even if Kaka scores a hatrick on milan I will still be upset.

Your sig pretty much says it all doesn't it?

[Fillipo Simone]

Then I will coach milan and change this. Hope shouldn't be a word in our dictionary, we need coaches who have milan in their blood.


For allegri this is just a profession; milan is a team....its his job. Thats all.

We need a coach that gets affected personally when milan lose; we need a coach who is willing to put everything on the line to succeed.

Please Blue, make the signature smaller at least. The bare image of an ex-Interista at a Milan forum is enough disturbing.

[Zed.D]

Did anyone post this?

http://www.goal.com/en/news/2377/top-10/20...-madrid-v-milan

I just saw it now and thought some of them were hilarious. especially the LB guide by Maldini for Marcelo and its picture (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

[X-Offender]

9) Alessandro Nesta touches his hair more times than Karim Benzema touches the ball

Brilliant! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Bluesummers]

FINE!


its smaller now (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[Jack Bauer]

FINE!


its smaller now (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Not small enough (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

(IMG:http://sportky.topky.sk/cacheImg/8/5/5/a/jose-mourinho-real-madrid-19268.jpg)

[Bluesummers]

Not small enough (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

(IMG:http://sportky.topky.sk/cacheImg/8/5/5/a/jose-mourinho-real-madrid-19268.jpg)

NEVARRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!


besides how can i make someone so fantastically worldclass that small. He is too elegant to be that small.

This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Oct 20 2010, 11:22 PM

[Fillipo Simone]

Thank you!

[vnata001]

out of sheer exasperation, I couldn't bring myself to post in this match thread until now. 2-0 flattered us.

As a fan, I felt like a lame duck knowing that we weren't going to win with the team we fielded, yet incapable of doing anything but tortuously hold on to strings of hope that somehow out of nothing we would somehow magically pull a goal out of our @sses.

Then, hoping that the performance would serve as a reality check, Allegri comes out and spouts some blasphemy about how "we weren't arrogant enough". At least some acknowledgment of our tactical short comings would have gone a long way to convincing me, as a fan, to be a little more patient.

Painfully ironic how with a team full of superstars, Mourinho demands humility and hunger.

I am not being traitorous in saying this: To be honest, there were times in this match where I genuinely wanted to see Madrid truly put us to the sword, and convert 2 or 3 more of their guilt edge chances. I said it in a post in this thread b4 the match, and ill maintain it here. If there is no tactical reshuffle after this match, then getting hammered by Napoli, Juve, Madrid, and Inter is what I'll hope for. Perhaps what's needed is cold dose of reality.

In our squad, we possessed the talent to take something from this game — or at the very least turn in a respectable performance. I'll be damned if I subject myself to watching 90 minutes of us playing our cards incorrectly again...

I understand during a match it can be tough to diagnose the problem for a green manager. But if there aren't any changes after this, then I'll wonder if Allegri even watches match film after we play, and question his abilities to manage us. Watching the juxtaposition of the determined Mourinho and the apprehensive Allegri on the touchline was very revealing and almost comical. Max looked so spineless.

His arrival was supposed to be a signal of us ushering in a 'newer Milan.' If he doesn't grow a pair, stand up to the veterans, and and do to this team what's been needed for some years now, then i'll join those who are already calling for his sacking.

@ Blue: LOL. I truly appreciate the comic relief you provide around here. You may be the first to use elegance as a descriptor of Mourinho.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

This post has been edited by vnata001: Oct 21 2010, 12:04 AM

[Bluesummers]

@ Blue: LOL. I truly appreciate the comic relief you provide around here. You may be the first to use elegance as a descriptor of Mourinho.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)


the defn in the dictionary of elegance should be



1- look under mourinho

This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Oct 21 2010, 01:17 AM

[Jack Sparrow]

He's Mourinho...not Chuck Norris.

Anyway...Mourinho's teams are always gonna be this current Milan squad's kryptonite.

Milan's plan was to spray passes around and hope to drag the Madrid team out of shape. Then play in the diagonal balls to the fast forwards.

This passing, slow-possession play is Milan's biggest strength. It's the old Carlo blueprint. Like a fencer in a sword fight. Pass around, drag the team out of shape and then attack through the gaps.

However Mourinho's team's greatest strength is in keeping their shape. So obviously it was gonna be a head on collision of strength against strength.


Next....there was an obsession in our team to keep our rigid 4-3-1-2 shape...which even if you just draw it on a paper, you can see is suspect against a 4-2-3-1. They'll just by pass our whole midfield along the flanks and they've got top notch players who can cut in one they bypass the mid-field.

The minute we conceded those two stupid goals in under 2 minutes...it was done. Our formation/personnel isn't designed to break down defences and batter opposition goals...we're more a matador than a cage fighter. We have no spare gears like Chelsea or Manchester...because we have no change of pace.

This is what Allegri said before the match. The reason I don't criticise him as MUCH is that he seems to know beforehand what the status quo is. He did say that Milan will have to be perfect and not make mistakes (because our formation and personnel don't let us do anything else)...and we did exactly that.

I think it's time to beef up the mid-field. The three man mid-field is an exercise in futility. Just look at the number of players in the box when we attack!! That's right there's Zlatan...and if you're lucky Pato just running in. Coz R80 is outside trying to make the cross.

So we can talk about having proper fullbacks but it would be pointless. There's no one in that box who he can aim at. No FB can be expected to put in a cross when there's 1 striker surrounded by 3 defenders.

My advice to Allegri....more meat in the mid-field.

By Nov 15, we'll have finished an important cycle of tough matches. We should know by then how we stand. A decision has to be taken on that day to keep or remove Allegri.

Taking in MvB might be counterproductive...but I do hope they have considered replacements for Max. I wouldn't even mind getting the Trap back for some time.

[acid911]

We have no spare gears like Chelsea or Manchester...because we have no change of pace.

I hope you meant City, because this is the absolute worst I've seen United in oh years. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) They don't even have gears, the Scottish madman has driven them to the ground (unlike what their fans like to believe in). Theater of Dreams, my behind!

[vnata001]

Milan's plan was to spray passes around and hope to drag the Madrid team out of shape. Then play in the diagonal balls to the fast forwards.

1. This passing, slow-possession play is Milan's biggest strength. It's the old Carlo blueprint. Like a fencer in a sword fight. Pass around, drag the team out of shape and then attack through the gaps.

However Mourinho's team's greatest strength is in keeping their shape. So obviously it was gonna be a head on collision of strength against strength.

2.Next....there was an obsession in our team to keep our rigid 4-3-1-2 shape...which even if you just draw it on a paper, you can see is suspect against a 4-2-3-1. They'll just by pass our whole midfield along the flanks and they've got top notch players who can cut in one they bypass the mid-field.

3.This is what Allegri said before the match. The reason I don't criticise him as MUCH is that he seems to know beforehand what the status quo is. He did say that Milan will have to be perfect and not make mistakes (because our formation and personnel don't let us do anything else)...and we did exactly that.

1. The thing is, how can we consider it a "strength" when all its gotten us is mediocrity these last couple seasons? This system worked with Kaka, because he was a midfielder/striker hybrid. You mentioned we don't have spare gears, but with Kaka we in fact DID. We were capable of playing passes around the midfield while he dropped back, until he picked the perfect moment to go forward, at which point we DID change gears.

Now that we don't have him, and therefore that extra gear, why were we still employing this system? Given what we have now, playing to our "strengths" means we field an unbalanced team?

2. Which is precisely why a top-class manager would have realized this by fielding a midfield capable of protected our back line from those wingers cutting into the heart of the defense. If it was so obvious that the formation we sent out lacked the proper personnel to succeed and was so clearly susceptible to a 4-2-3-1, then why pray tell did we still field it!? Madrid attacked us from the get go and pressed high up the pitch. They did this to compensate for the lack of protection for their back line in terms of personnel — they had only Khedira.

It's not rocket science, when a team does that, you can't do anything but employ a counter attacking style. We MUST drop back, cut down as much space as we can, protect our back line. We must make the game a closed, ugly one. When there's a good opportunity to counter — say, down a flank exposed by an advancing Marcelo — we spring forward at pace with the respective player on that side (should have been Boateng), while still avoiding overcommitment (Zambro stays back) so as to open up the game. Our strikers feed off scraps. Zlatan holds play up to bring the likes of Boa, Antonini, Dinho forward, something Zlatan is excellent at doing..and Pato reads the space accordingly.

The pace needed to transition from defense would have been provided by Antonini and Boateng, the counter attacks would have been launched by Pirlo. If Dinho wasn't effective, he should have been replaced at halftime or at the very least by the 60th minute.

Way too many of us said all of this before a ball was kicked.

3. Any manager can say "we need to be perfect". In a match against Real Madrid, perfection starts with your tactics Mr. Allegri, and you got them wrong. Understanding the "status quo" that has seen us dump out to Arsenal, Man U, and lose to Inter several times is nothing worthy of credit — those tactics were naive too! We knew if he did what he did we'd lose. Furthermore, once again his substitutions were late (a recurring trend)...

This post has been edited by vnata001: Oct 21 2010, 08:18 AM